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coffeebuz
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19/06/2012 22:33:23
Without getting into all the politics, morals and nutrition debated below...you should look into beans and legumes! Dishes/meals such as multi-bean chili, bean burgers, bean burritos, pasta with sauce and white beans, dahl, lentil soup, beans & rice, chick-pea curry are all very filling, protein-filled veg meals  .
You can also eat variations of eggs for dinner (if you're eating eggs) such as quiches, omelets, frittatas or huevos rancheros (one of my favorites -- it also has beans ).
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NadiaS
Posts 108
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19/06/2012 21:27:28
Thank you ladies for all your feedback, advices and suggestions! Very appreciated.
Cyclone T., I know where to go now when I need any advice, you will be the first one to contact :-) Thank you very much for your help.
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Cyclone T
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19/06/2012 12:48:33
ishehere wrote:
Why should i back up my opinions - it is what it is; it is not possible to eat a healthy natural vegan diet. You cannot get all the vitamins / minerals etc that you need to be healthy without taking supplements or eating a lot of processed foods (ie, processed soya products)
When I am willing to make a strong statement or willing to offer a strong opinion I am also willing to back it up with data or reasons for my point of view. Simply saying 'it is what it is' comes across as uneducated which possibly, you are not.
I eat a clean plant based diet and am confident that if you were to critique it against that of a clean omnivore diet you would find similar amounts of processed foods.
Do I eat any processed foods? Yes. I have soy milk when I am out and love spicy stir-fried tofu from my local noodle bar. These are no more processed than if I was to have skim cows milk in my tea and the occasional slice of pepperoni pizza.
Do I occasionally have junk? Yes, I am partial to a bag of plain crisps and enjoy a strip of liquorice every now and then. Do people eating a diet that includes meat occasionally have junk? It is both possible and likely.
It is true that fortified foods are sometimes needed to ensure that B12 requirements are met for those adhering to a strict plant based diet however it is possible to do so without supplementation or fortification. I personally choose to use seaweed, chlorella and nutritional yeasts for that purpose. Many people, not just those who consume a plant based diet, take a multivitamin. Most good quality vitamins will include adequate amounts of all daily vitamin requirements including B12.
Eating an omnivorous or plant based diet does not guarantee good health. Eating a diet that meets your personal daily requirements, provides you with the nutrition you need to perform at your best, allows for variety, adequate calorific intake and satisfaction will.
Nadia, my apologies for taking your thread off track. If you need any more resource suggestions I'd be pleased to provide some suggestions.
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ishehere
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19/06/2012 11:18:05
Monkey Face wrote: ishehere wrote: Monkey Face wrote:
No one said vegetarianism is bad...The statement, albeit probably uninformed, stated veganism! not uninformed at all. When a statement like that is followed by no back up or proper evidence, then one must assume you don't know what you're talking about.
Why should i back up my opinions - it is what it is; it is not possible to eat a healthy natural vegan diet. You cannot get all the vitamins / minerals etc that you need to be healthy without taking supplements or eating a lot of processed foods (ie, processed soya products)
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Whites
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19/06/2012 11:16:48
ishehere wrote:
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy.
Very ignorant statement. Why is it necessary to make a statement just for the sake of it?
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Monkey Face
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19/06/2012 11:14:28
ishehere wrote: Monkey Face wrote:
No one said vegetarianism is bad...The statement, albeit probably uninformed, stated veganism! not uninformed at all.
When a statement like that is followed by no back up or proper evidence, then one must assume you don't know what you're talking about.
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ishehere
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19/06/2012 11:11:48
Monkey Face wrote:
No one said vegetarianism is bad...The statement, albeit probably uninformed, stated veganism!
not uninformed at all.
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Monkey Face
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19/06/2012 11:07:22
No one said vegetarianism is bad...The statement, albeit probably uninformed, stated veganism!
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spongemonkey
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19/06/2012 11:00:56
bubble_trubble wrote: ishehere wrote:
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy. I doubt this as my Grand dad is 101 years old and a vegetarian...not even fish!! and loads of Indians across the globe are vegetarians...and are healthy lot....
My Gran lived to 99 and wasn't a vegetarian...luck of the draw I think
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iamwomen
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19/06/2012 10:19:36
Hi
Dont agree with the statement that vegetarianism is bad. Iam an Indian and I have been a veggie all my life. There are so many things which are delicious, yet vegetarian. Depends on what suits your appetite.
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iamwomen
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19/06/2012 10:19:35
Hi
Dont agree with the statement that vegetarianism is bad. Iam an Indian and I have been a veggie all my life. There are so many things which are delicious, yet vegetarian. Depends on what suits your appetite.
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bubble_trubble
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19/06/2012 10:07:38
ishehere wrote:
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy.
I doubt this as my Grand dad is 101 years old and a vegetarian...not even fish!! and loads of Indians across the globe are vegetarians...and are healthy lot....
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Daza
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19/06/2012 09:46:39
You can debate the pros/cons of vegetarian/vegan/ diets until the cows come home but everyone is different and it's one of those things that you don't know how your body will cope with or how you will feel until you try it.
NadiaS, if you want to try a vegan diet eventually, read up on it, work out what suits you and your lifestyle then try it. If it works and you feel good, that's great. If it doesn't then you can always go back to a non vegan diet, great too if that's what works for you.
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Beebers
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19/06/2012 09:14:45
SeaofLove wrote:
Consuming unfermented soy products (i.e. tofu or soy milk) may not be the best thing for your body, even detrimental. They contain phytic acid which stop important nutrients from being absorbed, especially relevant for women as we need iron. Phytoestrogens in soy also mimic oestrogen, not a good thing!
A vegan diet doesn't necessarily mean great health, if you're seriously considering it, educate yourself on healthy meat substitutes and soy products. You don't have to cut out all soy, just eat fermented soy products such as miso and tempeh.
Should add a disclaimer that I'm not a professional, just a health nut who reads alot =)
SOL you have a really good grip on your health related posts. I agree with you, I am not on the soy bandwagon, either. It is an estrogen mimedic, but there is way more estrogen in most chicken. Soy is a better fertilizer than it is a food. If you look at soy protein powder, the amino profile is quite tempting, but that doesn't mean the body can utilize the form. I like the idea of tempeh, but I have read some of the scariness that can happen if it is not prepared perfectly. OP, alternative protein powders like pea are pretty awesome. I would put it up against whey any day for absorption. I order mine from the US. Spirulina has a little protein, too. Sometimes it is not about how much protein, but the quality and absorption capability your body has for it.
edited by Beebers on 19/06/2012
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SeaofLove
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19/06/2012 09:08:37
Consuming unfermented soy products (i.e. tofu or soy milk) may not be the best thing for your body, even detrimental. They contain phytic acid which stop important nutrients from being absorbed, especially relevant for women as we need iron. Phytoestrogens in soy also mimic oestrogen, not a good thing!
A vegan diet doesn't necessarily mean great health, if you're seriously considering it, educate yourself on healthy meat substitutes and soy products. You don't have to cut out all soy, just eat fermented soy products such as miso and tempeh.
Should add a disclaimer that I'm not a professional, just a health nut who reads alot =)
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Beebers
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19/06/2012 09:07:32
Cyclone T wrote: ishehere wrote:
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy. I'd be interested to read why you believe your statement is true. Would you please elaborate?
I don't understand the logic here, either, but I am willing to hear anyone out. The OP by self admission is an ovo-lacto-pescatarian anyway. Not a vegan--a form of vegetarian.
Consider this. Your skin is the diary of your health. Take a vegetarian (that doesn't consume a lot of junk like breads, french fries, et al) and compare their skin with someone that eats a lot of meat. HUGE difference. It has to do with glycation.
If the OP is getting about 1g of protein per kg of lean body mass, that's enough unless she is trying to build a lot of muscle. Although soy protein is protein, I don't think it is processed as well by the body as fish/eggs/whey protein...so if you don't have to rely on soy alone, you won't suffer any kind of deficiencies that can accompany a diet too low in protein.
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spongemonkey
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19/06/2012 08:50:28
ishehere wrote:
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy.
I have heard that it affects your spelling ability!
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Daza
Posts 2140
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19/06/2012 08:48:25
I'll be checking out those recipe sites Cyclone T!
Another good site for info is: http://www.vegansociety.com
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Cyclone T
Posts 4494
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19/06/2012 08:46:05
Hi Nadia. The following web pages may be of help to you:
Starter kits -
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vsk/vegetarian-starter-kit
http://www.veganpeace.com/links/vegan_starting_kits.htm
Recipe sites -
http://www.veggienumnum.com/
http://www.not-just-recipes.com/
http://www.theppk.com/
http://likeavegan.com.au/
http://www.vegsoc.org.au/recipes.asp
http://ohsheglows.com/recipage/
http://www.savvyvegetarian.com/index.php
http://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/
HTH
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Daza
Posts 2140
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19/06/2012 08:42:28
Parsleysoup.co.uk has loads of great vegan recipes. I'm particularly fond of the cakes, biscuits and desserts sections!
You can get a lot of vegan protein products at Organic Food and Cafe. They stock my favourite tofu brand.
I've been a vegan for years, I've got of plenty of energy and am healthy and happy. I eat a lot of salad and raw vegetables, as fresh as possible (I have a great vegetable garden) to maximise nutrients. I eat a lot of tofu for protein and fortified rice/soya milks and green leafy vegetables for calcium. I make plenty of hummus and dahls.
I take a daily multi vitamin which contains B12 which is about the only thing you can't get enough of naturally as a vegan.
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Cyclone T
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19/06/2012 08:36:11
ishehere wrote:
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy.
I'd be interested to read why you believe your statement is true. Would you please elaborate?
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muu
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19/06/2012 08:13:23
ishehere wrote:
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy.
really?
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ishehere
Posts 1704
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19/06/2012 08:09:53
Vegainism is incredibly unhealthy and unnaturaul..... do not do it if you want to be healthy.
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MoFaya
Posts 86
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19/06/2012 07:19:21
Hi, have a look at this site.
It has really tasty recipes http://happyherbivore.com/
HTH
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NadiaS
Posts 108
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19/06/2012 06:33:16
To all vegans ... would you recommend me a homepage or give me some advice on what to eat more to replace meat and chicken? I stopped eating both and eat lots of vegtables, fish (twice a week), tofu (once a week)
Would any of you give me some more advice on vegitarian food and supplement?
I eat cheese and eggs, it is only chicken and meat for now since I am taking it slowly with becoming a vegan.
Many thanks
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