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Clever Bubbles
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07/03/2011 18:23:50
shamat wrote:
Can I give a teacher perspective here? Teachers are well aware that some parents do children's homework for them, and because of this, (speaking for myself here) I am always quite guarded about giving feedback about homework, unless I am certain its been done by the child. I certainly don't ever give marks for homework for this reason because you really don't know how much input the child has had into their own work.
This may be me being a bit idealistic, but I would rather a child wasn't doing a piece of work to please me, but was doing it because they were enjoying it, particularly when it comes to big projects. If a family has worked with a child to complete a piece of work (not done it for them - there's a difference!) and the child has enjoyed what they've learnt, then I'm delighted with that because children learn better if learning is done in partnership with school and home.
i fully agree! there is no value in the child getting the work done FOR them. working TOGETHER to generate ideas, problem solve etc is way more better than following mum/dad's instructions on how to do it...and dont get me started on work that is PERFECTLY spelt, grammatically correct....when this is not their normal standard....all they r learning at this point is how to follow instructions, take dictation and rely on others to think FOR them.... as if we dont know! lol
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Singapore Sling
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07/03/2011 18:23:31
Great to hear that Coolbabe. I would imagine that this is the way PYP is taught worldwide but was also surprised recently to read on the IB website how differently schools can and do interpret the programme globally.
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Coolbabe
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07/03/2011 18:12:02
Our child does the same at the IB school he attends here and we do very little projects at home, we send the materials etc. sometimes or he does his own planning at home but the actual making will be at the school. I think that is what the PYP program dictates.
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Singapore Sling
Posts 325
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07/03/2011 17:32:50
An international (PYP/IB) non-profit, private school in Malaysia. Sorry about it not being in the UAE 
It is simply fantastic and exactly what we have been looking for ito learning.
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shamat
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07/03/2011 17:30:17
Can I give a teacher perspective here? Teachers are well aware that some parents do children's homework for them, and because of this, (speaking for myself here) I am always quite guarded about giving feedback about homework, unless I am certain its been done by the child. I certainly don't ever give marks for homework for this reason because you really don't know how much input the child has had into their own work.
This may be me being a bit idealistic, but I would rather a child wasn't doing a piece of work to please me, but was doing it because they were enjoying it, particularly when it comes to big projects. If a family has worked with a child to complete a piece of work (not done it for them - there's a difference!) and the child has enjoyed what they've learnt, then I'm delighted with that because children learn better if learning is done in partnership with school and home.
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Appletiser
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07/03/2011 17:20:14
Singapore Sling wrote:
Nope, it's all done at school. The kids follow the PYP and there are 6 Units of Inquiry (different topics) through the school year - basically two units per term. They go on 1-4 different field trips per unit (yes, they are out and about a lot) and produce many smaller projects at school (brochures, models, displays, books etc). The Unit is concluded with a summative assessment during which they have to produce a big, final project and exibit/share/display/act/read their project to parents/other classes/assembly etc. They do not do anything at home and I am continuously amazed by the standard of the projects produced at school.
Sounds good. What school does your child attend?
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vero possumus
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07/03/2011 16:54:57
DD does her own work and I do DS's projects. He is starting to get more interested now that we are getting better grades, all thanks to me.
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Singapore Sling
Posts 325
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07/03/2011 14:48:25
Nope, it's all done at school. The kids follow the PYP and there are 6 Units of Inquiry (different topics) through the school year - basically two units per term. They go on 1-4 different field trips per unit (yes, they are out and about a lot) and produce many smaller projects at school (brochures, models, displays, books etc). The Unit is concluded with a summative assessment during which they have to produce a big, final project and exibit/share/display/act/read their project to parents/other classes/assembly etc. They do not do anything at home and I am continuously amazed by the standard of the projects produced at school.
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HereWeGo
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07/03/2011 14:31:18
A few years ago my son was in Grade 1 and had to do a school project. He worked very seriously and hard on this with some very small supervision on my behalf, worked to the best of his abilities. Proudly took it to school and received a "needs improvement" mark on the project. Outraged I spoke to the teacher who said, yes, he had done well, but most others had done much better. I went to the school and was indeed amazed at the elaborate and stunning projects the other 5-year old children had done.
Now I'm the Project Manager, the Architect, the Leonardo da Vinci of all school projects. We get outstanding grades these days.
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simpleasabc
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07/03/2011 14:25:48
When our daughter was between the ages of about 9 and 12, standard practice for Geography homework in the French system used to be to trace maps and then colour them in. You wouldn't *believe* the number of parents who later admitted to staying up until the early hours of the morning to do the colouring in themselves so the children could go to bed at a reasonable time  It was just such a waste of time and energy and taught the children precisely nothing that any of us could see
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arohadxb
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07/03/2011 14:16:14
nope, lil miss does them herself. We offer suggestions, ideas, make the time for it, help find materials, but as with homework she knows she has to do it, otherwise the only person she cheats is herself, and the the only one fronting up to the teacher to explain why she hasnt done it, is herself.
we were seriously miffed a while back at a campaign the kids were doing and the amount of parents work being bandied about...just not in the right spirit of the thing at all.
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wiggywig
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07/03/2011 14:14:14
I agree. Projects should be done by them. Obviously I do help and give advice when needed. Like you say it is so obvious when parents have done the projects. My two children are just starting to see this (they are both in Yr 5), and they feel proud that they did it.
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Blue Cow
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07/03/2011 14:06:14
Do YOU do your childs school projects? When DS has a project to do, I expect him to do it himself. I love to assist and I would quite happily take over. But, I encourage him along explaining that it has to be his work as the teacher will know if you have not done this yourself. But do teachers actually mark projects down when it is blatantly obvious that the lions share of work is not the students? It frustrates DS when he works hard, but ultimately compares his work to the scale model or grand speech that some parent is responsible for. In my eye's that is akin to cheating or am I just too old school. Talking about Year 4-5, just to clarify!
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