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srdoucet
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21/09/2010 13:59:41
I think everyone does what they can for their babies. I wasn't able to produce much both times. And this time it was getting thrown up due to DS having reflux.
I think we also put too much pressure on ourselves when we get criticized by other people telling us what's best for our babies. Moms stress with BFing and FFing. I think no matter which we choose we'll always run into some difficulty along the way whether it be trying to wean our babies from BFing, taking a soother, needing sleep but not having the ability to have someone else feed our babies, the expense that comes with formula feeding, and the nutrients that our little ones are receiving.
I think the only true outcomes we should be looking at are: are our babies happy? are they growing/gaining weight? are they progressing in their development? are they healthy?
We shouldn't have to care about the measures we take to get them to those points.
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wholly mama
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21/09/2010 13:41:17
Novice wrote: Also want to add.... I would have breastfed my baby if I could as, like most things in life, the "real thing" is obviously the preferred option, as opposed to an immitation from a lab! But I do believe that the benefits of breast milk have been blown out of proportion in recent years. I was formula fed from birth and have an excellent immune system (and no health or intelligence issues that I know of). You have to ask yourself if antibodies ingested via breast milk would not be digested before they reached the bloodstream? But anyway, I am not a scientist, I am sure there are people who understand this stuff 
Hi Novice!
I wanted to address a few things you brought up in your post here.
I totally agree with you that the "real thing" is preferred to an immitation from a lab!
And I agree that there has been a lot of talk recently in the media about the "benefits of breastfeeding". But I don't think that there are benefits to breastfeeding, nor that breastmilk is best for babes.
Here's my reasoning:
Breastmilk isn't best, it's not something extraordinary or above the standards. Breastmilk is NORMAL. It is the food that all humans were intended to consume. As mammals, we produce a milk for our babies that is specific to their needs, that changes as our babies change, that changes as our environment changes, that changes as our babies' needs change. This is what is normal. Anything other than what we are intended to have is NOT normal. It is not the standard, it is, in fact, substandard.
There continues to be all of this talk about the benefits of breastfeeding. That breastfeeding reduces obesity, diabetes, cancers. That's false! When you breastfeed, you are setting a standard of health for you and your baby. When you do NOT breastfeed, you are introducing risks to you and your child by not following the natural course of what our bodies are intended to do, and what our babies bodies are intended to have.
Stating that breastfeeding provides benefits means that breastfeeding is not the standard. It means that formula is the standard, and that breastmilk just adds these little extra, beyond ordinary, things. So is obesity, diabetes, cancer all our standard now? Is this what we should expect as normal? Not me! When we veer from the course our bodies were intended to travel, that's when we introduce risks. Formula can never, ever mimic breastmilk. Every year they are finding new "things" in breastmilk that they then need to add to the formula. But a chemical additive will never be as bioavailable as the true, living product found in breastmilk.
Now as for the immunity/antibodies question. This part is incredibly interesting to me! It amazes me that our bodies are so incredibly made.
When babies are born, they have a very immature immune system, and will rely heavily on a passive immunity (immunity not from a response from the baby's own immune system) given through breastmilk. This protection is a gift from the mother until the baby can have a mature active immune system. A mother's body creates disease-fighting cells and antibodies and then sends them into the baby's body by feeding.
Immune System Components of Breastmilk:
1. White blood cells - breastmilk contains two types of living white blood cells, one which attack pathogens by releasing the antibody IgA, and another that attacks the cell walls of viruses. So, there's a two way attack on disease.
2. Antibodies - the main immunoglobulin in the human body is called secretory IgA. Babies do not have much of their own sIgA stored at birth, and don't start making it at full levels for several months. sIgA is made and stored in the breast so it can travel to the baby through the breastmilk. sIgA protects the digestive tract, as it latches on to the fat in the milk and so passes through the whole tract and is not absorbed in the intestine. This helps to protects against diarrheal deseases, which are the most common threat to a newborn's health.
3. Broad-spectrum protection - while antibodies attack just one type of pathogen, breastmilk is also full of versatile substances (like lactoferrin which combats E.coli and candida) which can combat more than one type of pathogen.
4. Anti-inflammatories - several substances in breastmilk fight inflammation...antioxidants, enzymes, hormones, IgA, prostaglandins
5. Immunostimulants - these ramp up the function of the baby's own immune system.
I could go into more specifics about gut protection, colonization, the mucous membranes of the gut, etc., but I'm not sure many want to hear it all!
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hiccup
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21/09/2010 11:41:41
Thanks everyone for your replies!
designbabe - Yes, DS is developing normally and has a good height too. He was always thin and tall (off the charts for weight and about 70th percentile in height). He is right on track for a 2 yr old, extremely active, eats everything possible (is not *very* fussy and I dont know where the darn food that he eats goes!)) and I feel his vocabulary and attention span is brilliant. May be the reason why his doc is not very worried. Just that I am so tired of him looking so skinny and falling sick every time he gains a bit of weight and then losing it all!
Argh! Being a mother is so hard!
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Novice
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20/09/2010 23:46:39
Also want to add.... I would have breastfed my baby if I could as, like most things in life, the "real thing" is obviously the preferred option, as opposed to an immitation from a lab! But I do believe that the benefits of breast milk have been blown out of proportion in recent years. I was formula fed from birth and have an excellent immune system (and no health or intelligence issues that I know of). You have to ask yourself if antibodies ingested via breast milk would not be digested before they reached the bloodstream? But anyway, I am not a scientist, I am sure there are people who understand this stuff
In any case, there are other benefits to breast milk other than immunity / weight gain so I am sure your baby benefited from your breast milk it in some way, Hiccup, that may just not be immediately obvious! And there are many other factors affecting immunity other than the food we eat! A bit off-topic but I also came across this old article today, about DIRT and the immune system... food for thought!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/health/27brod.html
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designbabe
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20/09/2010 23:14:29
my answer to the OP -
From what I understand of breastmilk in terms of why it is better than formula (and right off the bat- not critisizing anyone who has formula fed - have to do these disclaimers on EW) is beacuse it is a milk produced by a mammal with a lower body mass and heigher brain weight as opposed to milk which is supposed to put weight on to baby cows who are supposed to be heftier but a lot dumber.
I had a mother in my B/F group who was feeding for exactly this reason- her sibling was b/f and she was formula fed - and she has struggled with weight but he barely gains and can eat plenty. I've noticed this trend in mine and DH's family. I had 2 babies and have had no problem getting back to pre preg weight (i am tandem nursing at this moment). My sister who was a super stubborn nurser and was b/f till 2.5 yrs and forcibly weaned by my mother- eats like a horse and metabolises the food easily.
My son who I nursed till almost 2- eats well, looks healthy but is really slim .He wears age approriate clothes but always needs belts to hold them up.Is your DS a good height, generally happy and acheiving his milestones - verbal and motor skills on time? I remember in a previous post you mentioned he eats alright. So maybe his ability to eat and still stay slim and active might have been the reward for your hard work.....
Studies have also shown that B/f babies have higher IQ's due to the bioavailable DHA in breast milk ( also IQ's are related to genetics but DHA does help).
I believe breast milk is better than formula and this is my reply to the OP. I also believe in a mother's right to choose and do whatever is best for the health happiness and well being of herself and her baby and the original choice of BM or formula is not a forever life altering descion that "RUINS" everything forever.
In terms of your DS catching every little bug, please consider giving him probiotics. They are espcially helpful if he has ever been on antibiotics as pretty much all our health depends on the gut and they will restore gut flora to optimum levels.Also, try supplementing with vit D as it is proven to reduce flu like infections in children.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.29094v1
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preets
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20/09/2010 22:57:15
hiccup, i'm glad you started this thread. i could breastfeed for only 4 months...i am absolutely strict about what he eats. only healthy. all the superfoods and if it has to be a 'treat' like a cake i bake it so i know whats in it. but he's always falling sick too! was hospitalised for typhoid. and ive always thought it's because i didnt breastfeed him enough. plus he's underweight. so MIL, ALDO saleswomen (yes u read it right), people ont he street give me advise! u should give cream biscuits, should not give chapati only rice, shoiuld put lots of ghee in food etc etc. all to make him fat.
i spent his first year running to the doc checking on why everyone has a comment - is something really wrong. but the doc (ive been to 5 in all - india and dubai) who say he's fine, thats just how he is. i think it's just genes. or some kids are just like that.
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Novice
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20/09/2010 22:48:40
Must admit I haven't read all the replies, but thought this is a good opportunity to share this link. Don't take the title of the article literally, they're just being provocative.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/04/the-case-against-breast-feeding/7311/
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DesertRose1958
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20/09/2010 22:27:42
KItty, Im inclined to think its the act of giving, of nurturing, that creates the bond. That its not what you give, but how you give it, thats important. I was a breast fed baby 53 years ago, I'm very much a breast feeder and actively encourage others to try, in truth I don't really understand the big deal people make out of doing it, but thats probably down to living in a society where its the norm and problems aren't really looked for. Its whats intended so people do it, as opposed to societies where its not the norm so a big deal is made of it and people expect to encounter all sorts of problems with it. Even before they start they are kind of set up to fail, thats another natter altogether though eh
I just feel that for people to suggest as they do, the sheer fact the breast feed means they have a special bond with their child that non breast feeding mums don't have - its not something I'll ever believe. Love is love regardless of whether it comes from a boobie or a bottle.
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Hello.Kitty
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20/09/2010 21:35:39
DesertRose1958 wrote: Kitty, seriously - no. No food for thought. Your little girl can remember being breast fed and says it was nice. There really is nothing more to it than that. And that last bit sounds horrible - it wasn't my intention.
My "food for thought" was a bit harsh... point being, these are things of which memories are made.
Of course I realise that a random toddler's memories would bear no importance to anyone, but for me and for her, they do. I will always remember the sheer happiness on her face when she said that she enjoyed breastfeeding and I hope that she keeps that memory for a long time to come.
That particular bond would never have occurred had we not breastfed. Sure, she might go on to say she enjoyed eating chips with the same expression, but it's not the same - I didn't make the potato.
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DesertRose1958
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20/09/2010 21:23:43
Kitty, seriously - no. No food for thought. Your little girl can remember being breast fed and says it was nice. There really is nothing more to it than that. And that last bit sounds horrible - it wasn't my intention.
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Hello.Kitty
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20/09/2010 21:09:30
DesertRose1958 wrote:
As someone who's breastfed 5 children, one of them for almost 3 years, and one of them for a few months before putting them on a bottle. I think its absolute bunkum that BF'ing creates some special bond between a mother and child.
And if someone only has one child, how do they know that what they have with their child is down to BF'ing. How do they know they wouldn't be feeling the same way about their child if they were bottle feeding.
You can't beat that bond between mother and child when breastfeeding? Nonsense!
My 3 year old DD actually remembers me breastfeeding her (We stopped when she was just coming up to 1) and has told me - of her own accord, just in passing (we were discussing cow's milk at the time) how much she enjoyed it.
Food for thought?
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DesertRose1958
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20/09/2010 18:50:12
lolabug wrote: fucia fb wrote:
I just want to say that no mother should EVER feel guilty for not BF... or for supplementing with formula and it is not a failure of the mother... it can, however, sometimes be a failure of the doctor or health care worker who has given bad advise or lack of support on how to manage BF problems.
We need to all be aware that a huge majority of pediatricians have VERY limited training in the area of BF and especially if they are a little bit older they will have been trained in the days when formula was more popular before medical research was advanced enough to work out how BF really works.
If you speak to an IBCLC (International Board Certified Lactation Consultant) they will tell you that 95% of BF problems can be rectified or improved at least with the correct support and advise but without this or with the WRONG advice it can all be a slippery slope to more problems and ultimately no choice but to give up BF in place of the seemingly less stressful FF.
I have had continuing support through my BF months and have had many trials on the way that without the right advice would have given up many times over. And if I had followed the advise of some doctors or some UK Health Visitors that I know of I would have been FF too.
edited by fucia fb on 19/09/2010 So well put, fucia!! My two cents, BF my DD has been the absolute best thing I have chosen to do! You can't beat that bond between mother and child when they are BF. .
As someone who's breastfed 5 children, one of them for almost 3 years, and one of them for a few months before putting them on a bottle. I think its absolute bunkum that BF'ing creates some special bond between a mother and child.
And if someone only has one child, how do they know that what they have with their child is down to BF'ing. How do they know they wouldn't be feeling the same way about their child if they were bottle feeding.
You can't beat that bond between mother and child when breastfeeding? Nonsense!
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hiccup
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20/09/2010 09:52:46
shaf wrote:
hi!
I havent read any of the previous replies.
Are u still BFing him hiccup?
Cos i found that as long as i was BFing DS he never felt sick.
But when i weaned him completely, he started with his colds and stuff.
Nope shaf .... weaned him when he was 1.
Thanks fucia fb for the explanation. I am happy to BF again this time (I loved the bonding it created between me and DS) ... and would do so as much as possible. But wont be stressing myself to do so. I would happily reach for the formula if that makes me and baby happy
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wholly mama
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20/09/2010 01:25:28
fucia fb wrote:
I just want to say that no mother should EVER feel guilty for not BF... or for supplementing with formula and it is not a failure of the mother... it can, however, sometimes be a failure of the doctor or health care worker who has given bad advise or lack of support on how to manage BF problems.
We need to all be aware that a huge majority of pediatricians have VERY limited training in the area of BF and especially if they are a little bit older they will have been trained in the days when formula was more popular before medical research was advanced enough to work out how BF really works.
If you speak to an IBCLC (International Board Certified Lactation Consultant) they will tell you that 95% of BF problems can be rectified or improved at least with the correct support and advise but without this or with the WRONG advice it can all be a slippery slope to more problems and ultimately no choice but to give up BF in place of the seemingly less stressful FF.
I have had continuing support through my BF months and have had many trials on the way that without the right advice would have given up many times over. And if I had followed the advise of some doctors or some UK Health Visitors that I know of I would have been FF too.
edited by fucia fb on 19/09/2010
:standing ovation:
Very well said, fucia!
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shaf
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19/09/2010 23:51:46
hi!
I havent read any of the previous replies.
Are u still BFing him hiccup?
Cos i found that as long as i was BFing DS he never felt sick.
But when i weaned him completely, he started with his colds and stuff.
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lolabug
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19/09/2010 21:48:24
fucia fb wrote:
I just want to say that no mother should EVER feel guilty for not BF... or for supplementing with formula and it is not a failure of the mother... it can, however, sometimes be a failure of the doctor or health care worker who has given bad advise or lack of support on how to manage BF problems.
We need to all be aware that a huge majority of pediatricians have VERY limited training in the area of BF and especially if they are a little bit older they will have been trained in the days when formula was more popular before medical research was advanced enough to work out how BF really works.
If you speak to an IBCLC (International Board Certified Lactation Consultant) they will tell you that 95% of BF problems can be rectified or improved at least with the correct support and advise but without this or with the WRONG advice it can all be a slippery slope to more problems and ultimately no choice but to give up BF in place of the seemingly less stressful FF.
I have had continuing support through my BF months and have had many trials on the way that without the right advice would have given up many times over. And if I had followed the advise of some doctors or some UK Health Visitors that I know of I would have been FF too.
edited by fucia fb on 19/09/2010
So well put, fucia!!
My two cents, BF my DD has been the absolute best thing I have chosen to do! You can't beat that bond between mother and child when they are BF. But, it is not always easy and even though it is a natural thing it doesn't mean it comes naturally to everyone the first time. My advice is to educate yourself before you even start. I can't say enough good things about the support groups here in Dubai. There are some excellent websites (kellymom for one) and I even read a couple of great books before DD was born. It also helped to know that my mom exclusively BF me and my three sisters so, I had the best role model.
Fucia is right, no mom should feel guilty about not BF but, I certainly wish more medical professionals had the training to support mothers properly because I am sure many more mothers could be successful and enjoy this wonderful bond with their child if they only had a little extra and proper help.
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fucia fb
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19/09/2010 21:28:24
I just want to say that no mother should EVER feel guilty for not BF... or for supplementing with formula and it is not a failure of the mother... it can, however, sometimes be a failure of the doctor or health care worker who has given bad advise or lack of support on how to manage BF problems.
We need to all be aware that a huge majority of pediatricians have VERY limited training in the area of BF and especially if they are a little bit older they will have been trained in the days when formula was more popular before medical research was advanced enough to work out how BF really works.
If you speak to an IBCLC (International Board Certified Lactation Consultant) they will tell you that 95% of BF problems can be rectified or improved at least with the correct support and advise but without this or with the WRONG advice it can all be a slippery slope to more problems and ultimately no choice but to give up BF in place of the seemingly less stressful FF.
I have had continuing support through my BF months and have had many trials on the way that without the right advice would have given up many times over. And if I had followed the advise of some doctors or some UK Health Visitors that I know of I would have been FF too.
edited by fucia fb on 19/09/2010
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jag
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19/09/2010 20:12:18
Every child is different, as I experienced with my 2. DD, now 2, and DS now 8 months, both EBF till 6 weeks, and then BF and formula till 12 weeks, then just formula. DD weighed 10kg's at her 2 yr checkup 6 weeks ago, and DS weighed 11 kg's at his 6 month check up, but weighs more now. Fed them both the same food, DS just has a healthy appetite, and retains his weight a lot more. - both of them very rarely sick.
I'm a lot more concerned about skinny DD, than chubby DS - even though being chubby is not good, I know he will lose the weight. Like you hiccup, felt incredibly guilty when I gave DD her first formula bottle, not as guilty with DS. But too be quite honest, even though i believe breast is best, I did not find it easy, and if no.3 came along, I would not hesitate to bring out the formula. Do what feels right and do not feel guilty, besides juggling 2 will have its own challenges! Best of luck!
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Hello.Kitty
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19/09/2010 18:14:18
plum2 wrote:
I have to disagree with you on this point. The 'fresh' fruit and vegetables sold here are usually not that fresh and have been shipped halfway round the world in cold storage and thus have lost a lot of their nutrients. The frozen vegetables, that have been frozen when at their best, offer far more nutritionally. Not that I eat frozen veg all the time!
rofl - ok, I strangely forgot to put in the caveat of "fresh veg is better *as long as it is locally-sourced, organically certified and distributed and eaten within a week of picking*"... and I was comparing it to tinned (aka veg that's been mechanically prepped, had stuff added to it to compensate for the lack of flavour, flash boiled to preserve and suddenly got a shelf-life of years rather than weeks), not freshly frozen. 
Hiccup - there are lots of informal groups out there to help you/us through the ups and downs of breastfeeding. It really needn't be any more stressful or daunting than any other part of motherhood. The main ones operating in Dubai are the La Leche League, Breastfeeding Q&A (yahoo group) and Breastfeeding Mums in Dubai (Facebook group)
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Sandpit Queen
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19/09/2010 17:53:37
hiccup wrote: Sandpit Queen wrote:
Yeah you wouldn't be having this problem if you had! LOL That was a pretty enlightening post 
He he................!
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hiccup
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19/09/2010 17:53:07
Sandpit Queen wrote:
Yeah you wouldn't be having this problem if you had! LOL
That was a pretty enlightening post
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Sandpit Queen
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19/09/2010 17:52:22
Yeah you wouldn't be having this problem if you had! LOL
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hiccup
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19/09/2010 17:51:41
ashc wrote: Just a little science lesson here The way immunity works is that our body produces an antibody to every antigen ( bug) out there. Its basically a lock and key mechanism. The antibody attaches on the surface of the antigen and destroys it. So, when your body comes in contact with a bug for the first time, the body produces differant types of antibodies to see which will work ( trial and error)> Finally the right one works and its stored in the memory..... the next time the same bug attacks you, the response time is quicker. Now, when you are Bfing, you are basically transferring the memory to your child. So, the measure of immunity is not if the child falls sick, its that he recovers quicker because his body has the memory to deal with all the bugs you have ever encountered ( and growing up in bombay, you have him covered hiccup That being said, any amount of bm will do that and it doesn't only happen if you exclusively BF. Supplement if you need to, and give him/her as much bm as you can stress free. HTH, i knew 6 yrs of studying microbiology will pay off someday
LOL! Thanks ashc! That was very helpful. I should have paid more attention during my microbio lessons 
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ashc
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19/09/2010 17:48:36
Just a little science lesson here
The way immunity works is that our body produces an antibody to every antigen ( bug) out there. Its basically a lock and key mechanism. The antibody attaches on the surface of the antigen and destroys it. So, when your body comes in contact with a bug for the first time, the body produces differant types of antibodies to see which will work ( trial and error)> Finally the right one works and its stored in the memory..... the next time the same bug attacks you, the response time is quicker.
Now, when you are Bfing, you are basically transferring the memory to your child. So, the measure of immunity is not if the child falls sick, its that he recovers quicker because his body has the memory to deal with all the bugs you have ever encountered ( and growing up in bombay, you have him covered hiccup
That being said, any amount of bm will do that and it doesn't only happen if you exclusively BF. Supplement if you need to, and give him/her as much bm as you can stress free.
HTH, i knew 6 yrs of studying microbiology will pay off someday
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Sandpit Queen
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19/09/2010 17:36:01
Arh, i'm touched at the thought! LOL
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hiccup
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19/09/2010 17:34:45
Sandpit Queen wrote: gleekfamily wrote: Sandpit Queen wrote:
Look you are just nervous and worrying cos you had such a crappy time with it all last time, really this may be a doodle this time, worrying won't help or change the outcome, what will be will be. Now be positive and look forward to this, it's too late now to go back, so pull it together and get positive.
Try and do the BF thing and see how it goes, evern if you get a couple of weeks it is far better and if you can't for whatever reason it's not the end of the world, put it in perspective. Oh look who's giving out the "manage your expectations" speech now...wasn't I ridiculed for this on the class sizes/school thread yesterday? No i am being nice and putting as nicely as i do, Hiccup knows i am giving her a swift kick up the backside in a nice way, how is that managing your expectations? What can she manage if she doesn't know what to expect? What she can do is stop worrying and manage what occurs at the time as i am sure she will very well, she just needs some confidence that she is a brill mum and lovely person who will be able to deal with whatever happens.
Aww thanks SQ .... I sometimes wish you were my MIL and sometimes I think NO !@#$%^ WAY! LOL!
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Sandpit Queen
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19/09/2010 17:29:45
gleekfamily wrote: Sandpit Queen wrote:
Look you are just nervous and worrying cos you had such a crappy time with it all last time, really this may be a doodle this time, worrying won't help or change the outcome, what will be will be. Now be positive and look forward to this, it's too late now to go back, so pull it together and get positive.
Try and do the BF thing and see how it goes, evern if you get a couple of weeks it is far better and if you can't for whatever reason it's not the end of the world, put it in perspective. Oh look who's giving out the "manage your expectations" speech now...wasn't I ridiculed for this on the class sizes/school thread yesterday?
No i am being nice and putting as nicely as i do, Hiccup knows i am giving her a swift kick up the backside in a nice way, how is that managing your expectations? What can she manage if she doesn't know what to expect? What she can do is stop worrying and manage what occurs at the time as i am sure she will very well, she just needs some confidence that she is a brill mum and lovely person who will be able to deal with whatever happens.
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hiccup
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19/09/2010 17:28:24
Sandpit Queen wrote: hiccup wrote: Sandpit Queen wrote: hiccup wrote: Hmm thanks everyone ... I wont feel guilty this time if I reach for the formula if it saves me some stress Hiccup stop thinking, breast feed number two for a while until you feel it's too difficult, it will be better longterm. Yep thinking in the same lines now. Anything to make things better this time! Dreading it already! LOL! Look you are just nervous and worrying cos you had such a crappy time with it all last time, really this may be a doodle this time, worrying won't help or change the outcome, what will be will be. Now be positive and look forward to this, it's too late now to go back, so pull it together and get positive. Try and do the BF thing and see how it goes, evern if you get a couple of weeks it is far better and if you can't for whatever reason it's not the end of the world, put it in perspective.
I know I know ... and I am the same who gives advices to others on how to feed your child Argh!
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Sandpit Queen
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19/09/2010 17:21:36
hiccup wrote: Sandpit Queen wrote: hiccup wrote: Hmm thanks everyone ... I wont feel guilty this time if I reach for the formula if it saves me some stress Hiccup stop thinking, breast feed number two for a while until you feel it's too difficult, it will be better longterm. Yep thinking in the same lines now. Anything to make things better this time! Dreading it already! LOL!
Look you are just nervous and worrying cos you had such a crappy time with it all last time, really this may be a doodle this time, worrying won't help or change the outcome, what will be will be. Now be positive and look forward to this, it's too late now to go back, so pull it together and get positive.
Try and do the BF thing and see how it goes, evern if you get a couple of weeks it is far better and if you can't for whatever reason it's not the end of the world, put it in perspective.
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plum2
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19/09/2010 17:16:09
Sorry for the highjacking!
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