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lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 15:39:34
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!





HereComesTheSun
Posts 603


06/12/2012 15:43:39
You've been off sick 11 separate times?

I'm not surprised they're charging you for it!





louisedvs
Posts 4318


06/12/2012 15:44:19
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


Outside of the FZ then it is 2 days
Speak the JAFZA authorities they will be able to tell you
Can your HR department not show you the JAFZA labor laws?
How many sick days have you had in 1 year as i think there is a limit to what you can have? Sorry i couldnt be much help i am familar with outside FZ's only





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 15:45:00
HereComesTheSun wrote:
You've been off sick 11 separate times?

I'm not surprised they're charging you for it!


since May 2012, not in the same month





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 15:46:29
louisedvs wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


Outside of the FZ then it is 2 days
Speak the JAFZA authorities they will be able to tell you
Can your HR department not show you the JAFZA labor laws?
How many sick days have you had in 1 year as i think there is a limit to what you can have? Sorry i couldnt be much help i am familar with outside FZ's only


it is 15 days with full renumeration. but the question is if I need a certificate? When starting my period or having wrong food I do not run to the doctor, I better get some rest, no?





louisedvs
Posts 4318


06/12/2012 15:47:15
lovedubai wrote:
HereComesTheSun wrote:
You've been off sick 11 separate times?

I'm not surprised they're charging you for it!


since May 2012, not in the same month


Were they on separate occasions as that is alot for 7 months?
How long have you been with the company for?





HereComesTheSun
Posts 603


06/12/2012 15:47:48
lovedubai wrote:
HereComesTheSun wrote:
You've been off sick 11 separate times?

I'm not surprised they're charging you for it!


since May 2012, not in the same month


That's still only six months. I don't know the rules, so i can't help you unfortunately, but they probably suspect you're taking the p*ss having a couple of days extra off each month.





Marroosh
Posts 4625


06/12/2012 15:47:59
lovedubai wrote:
HereComesTheSun wrote:
You've been off sick 11 separate times?

I'm not surprised they're charging you for it!


since May 2012, not in the same month


It's best to check your contract, I have worked for a company in the past that deducts the first sick day from you salary. But of course that is in the contract. Lot of companies require a sick note from a (government) health center, but again, all the rules and regulations are in your employment contract.





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 15:50:31
louisedvs wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
HereComesTheSun wrote:
You've been off sick 11 separate times?

I'm not surprised they're charging you for it!


since May 2012, not in the same month


Were they on separate occasions as that is alot for 7 months?
How long have you been with the company for?


the company makes you sick ;-)
I am working almost 2 years for them





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 15:51:48
and anyone knows if it is to be calculated from the basic salary or the gross salary??? housing and car does not have anything to do with that, no?!





Desi girl
Posts 124


06/12/2012 15:52:58
Usually to get a paid sick leave you need to produce a sick leave certificate even if it is for a day. Some companies might be nice and not ask for it but majority of the companies do. I once had a terrible headache and just needed some rest but for it to be a paid sick leave, I had to go see a doc and get a leave certificate.

So yeah, in the absence of a sick leave certificate from a physician, they can deduct your salary.





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 15:53:35
The Dangerous Blonde wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
louisedvs wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


Outside of the FZ then it is 2 days
Speak the JAFZA authorities they will be able to tell you
Can your HR department not show you the JAFZA labor laws?
How many sick days have you had in 1 year as i think there is a limit to what you can have? Sorry i couldnt be much help i am familar with outside FZ's only


it is 15 days with full renumeration. but the question is if I need a certificate? When starting my period or having wrong food I do not run to the doctor, I better get some rest, no?


Oh dear! Yes dear, you are expected to attend work when you start your period - we are grown women and can take Panadol for period pain. You cannot seriously take time off work for this every month? I believe with Tecom they start deducting once you have had 15 days sick leave in a year, it may be less with JAFZA. It is like you were on probation for the first 6 months (or you may still be on extended probation) hence they have taken it out of your salary.

Still shocks me how many people on probation take sick leave, request holidays and generally don't see it as the time when they should most prove themselves. OP - sick leave IMO is there for if you are literally dying, not every month when you get your period!


Oh dear! It was not always the period. And some women do have problems with that. Seems you are lucky and you do not know that problem.

And no, I am not in the probation period.





louisedvs
Posts 4318


06/12/2012 15:53:48
This is the link for the Labor Law ( Not JAFZA)

http://www.gulftalent.com/repository/ext/UAE_Labour_Law.pdf

Articles 82,83,84

I know it isnt JAFZA however it may help as a guidline





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 15:56:03
thanks.

but does not help on what base to calculate





HereComesTheSun
Posts 603


06/12/2012 15:58:38
lovedubai wrote:
It is 15 days with full renumeration.


It's not an entitlement though, or an allowance that you must use up whenever you feel a bit under the weather. If they're making you pay for it, then it must be in their own regulations that you need to prove you were actually sick. Your HR department are the people you should be asking.





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 16:03:28
The Dangerous Blonde wrote:
In that case I stand corrected - you are not on probation but that is still a lot of time off in 6 months hence why they are deducting probably. You normally have to be off for 3 days in a row before a Drs note is requested. I would speak to your HR department about this - did you have previous deductions for sick days? Have they taken the deduction of your daily rate as your basic salary or your full compensation?


they have the deduction from as my full compensation





louisedvs
Posts 4318


06/12/2012 16:06:06
lovedubai wrote:
The Dangerous Blonde wrote:
In that case I stand corrected - you are not on probation but that is still a lot of time off in 6 months hence why they are deducting probably. You normally have to be off for 3 days in a row before a Drs note is requested. I would speak to your HR department about this - did you have previous deductions for sick days? Have they taken the deduction of your daily rate as your basic salary or your full compensation?


they have the deduction from as my full compensation


Hello

I have just spoken with a friend who is a Senior HR bod at the FZ
You have to have a sick note from day 1, if you do not provide this they can deduct the money as it is classed as loss of pay
No more than 15 days in 1 year and no more than 7 days in 6 months
They should only deduct on your basic only





ecochic
Posts 426


06/12/2012 16:13:35
I recently left a company within JAFZA and was the HR there so here goes the rules....

JAFZA give 15 days annual sick leave which can be taken provided you provide a doctors certificate. The15 days are paid sick leave which include Basic, Housing, Travel, etc etc. If your company is not following this, please contact local authorities.

Please check article Three, Point 3 where it clearly states the above. The doctors direction is basically a doc's certificate, Ive checked that with JAFZA in the past. Your company is in violation and BTW this copy is taken from the JAFZA site where all admin forms are put up... http://www.jafza.ae/media-files/2012/06/06/20120606_04-20120606-Employment-Contract-New.pdf





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 16:13:56
louisedvs wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
The Dangerous Blonde wrote:
In that case I stand corrected - you are not on probation but that is still a lot of time off in 6 months hence why they are deducting probably. You normally have to be off for 3 days in a row before a Drs note is requested. I would speak to your HR department about this - did you have previous deductions for sick days? Have they taken the deduction of your daily rate as your basic salary or your full compensation?


they have the deduction from as my full compensation


Hello

I have just spoken with a friend who is a Senior HR bod at the FZ
You have to have a sick note from day 1, if you do not provide this they can deduct the money as it is classed as loss of pay
No more than 15 days in 1 year and no more than 7 days in 6 months
They should only deduct on your basic only


thanks a lot!!! that helped me very much :-)





Nyranee
Posts 530


06/12/2012 16:16:13
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


You need a certificate from the first day sickleave as previously mentioned.

Sorry to ask but have you been 11 times one day sick as this is how it sounds ... and it seems to be a lot ...





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 16:17:42
Nyranee wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


You need a certificate from the first day sickleave as previously mentioned.

Sorry to ask but have you been 11 times one day sick as this is how it sounds ... and it seems to be a lot ...


11 times one day, but they also count 1 full day when you are coming 1 hour late in the office!

As the salaries are paid much too late, we are also sometimes late in the office :-)





louisedvs
Posts 4318


06/12/2012 16:19:57
lovedubai wrote:
Nyranee wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


You need a certificate from the first day sickleave as previously mentioned.

Sorry to ask but have you been 11 times one day sick as this is how it sounds ... and it seems to be a lot ...


11 times one day, but they also count 1 full day when you are coming 1 hour late in the office!

As the salaries are paid much too late, we are also sometimes late in the office :-)


I would be handing my notice in and looking for a new job
Any company that paid me late wouldnt be employing me





Nyranee
Posts 530


06/12/2012 16:22:08
lovedubai wrote:
Nyranee wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


You need a certificate from the first day sickleave as previously mentioned.

Sorry to ask but have you been 11 times one day sick as this is how it sounds ... and it seems to be a lot ...


11 times one day, but they also count 1 full day when you are coming 1 hour late in the office!

As the salaries are paid much too late, we are also sometimes late in the office :-)


That's strickt rules for 1 hour deduction of a full day ... good luck with this. Legally they are absolutely allowed to deduct.

Don't overdo the sick days, I have seen people being fired for "bad attendance".

@Louise ... same thought I had... but first she might need a new job which eventually could take a bit.
edited by Nyranee on 06/12/2012





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 16:25:40
Nyranee wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
Nyranee wrote:
lovedubai wrote:
hey everyone,

how does it work with sick leave? I am working in JAFZA and my company has deducted all my sick days (11 single days) from my salary.

Do you need a docotor's certificate for 1 day sick leave???!!!
And on what base they calculate the deduction, only on basic salary or on gross salary (means including housing allowance, car allowance, medical etc.)?

Thanks for quick replies!


You need a certificate from the first day sickleave as previously mentioned.

Sorry to ask but have you been 11 times one day sick as this is how it sounds ... and it seems to be a lot ...


11 times one day, but they also count 1 full day when you are coming 1 hour late in the office!

As the salaries are paid much too late, we are also sometimes late in the office :-)


That's strickt rules for 1 hour deduction of a full day ... good luck with this. Legally they are absolutely allowed to deduct.

Don't overdo the sick days, I have seen people being fired for "bad attendance".

@Louise ... same thought I had... but first she might need a new job which eventually could take a bit.
edited by Nyranee on 06/12/2012


thanks.

yes, best would be a new job. so if anyone knows anything :-)





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 16:26:39
ecochic wrote:
I recently left a company within JAFZA and was the HR there so here goes the rules....

JAFZA give 15 days annual sick leave which can be taken provided you provide a doctors certificate. The15 days are paid sick leave which include Basic, Housing, Travel, etc etc. If your company is not following this, please contact local authorities.

Please check article Three, Point 3 where it clearly states the above. The doctors direction is basically a doc's certificate, Ive checked that with JAFZA in the past. Your company is in violation and BTW this copy is taken from the JAFZA site where all admin forms are put up... http://www.jafza.ae/media-files/2012/06/06/20120606_04-20120606-Employment-Contract-New.pdf


and when they deduct it they calculate also on the gross salary not on the basic?





Kezzler
Posts 381


06/12/2012 16:35:07
You're lucky your company allow you to take 11 separate instances of leave in such a short space of time. Our company rules allow for 2 days sick without a doctors note, but this is on condition that such occurrences don't exceed more than 5 days a year, otherwise, the chop. Fair enough I think, as I would be worried about the commitment of a person who feels it's ok to take so many individual days as sick, unless of course there is a medical condition that can be backed up with a doctors certificate.

I have to agree with Here comes the sun, it's not an entitlement and they probably think you are taking the yellow stuff.





lovedubai
Posts 103


06/12/2012 16:36:52
The Dangerous Blonde wrote:
lovedubai I mean this in the nicest way and I'm not saying your company is right to be so strict with deductions but I would take it as a bit of a wake up call - lateness and sickness so often is not acceptable. 1hr is enough leeway to account for bad traffic / oversleeping etc - we have a guy at work whose excuse for coming in 3hrs (yes 3hrs!) late is that he lives in Sharjah!

If they don't pay on time, I would also def start looking for another job, but be prepared it is SLIM pickings out there. What line of work are you in?


i am in fmcg, sales and marketing





ecochic
Posts 426


06/12/2012 16:45:13
lovedubai wrote:
and when they deduct it they calculate also on the gross salary not on the basic?


Oops my bad... just realized you never gave them a sick leave cert so salary deduction on gross (basic, housing, travel, etc).

My last company, we could take a sick day without a doctors certificate but 2 days and above and we had to provide one.... JAFZA rule isup to 15 days full gross salary to be paid, 15 days and up to a month it would be half of gross and over a month would be leave without pay.





ecochic
Posts 426


06/12/2012 16:48:37
Kezzler wrote:
You're lucky your company allow you to take 11 separate instances of leave in such a short space of time. Our company rules allow for 2 days sick without a doctors note, but this is on condition that such occurrences don't exceed more than 5 days a year, otherwise, the chop. Fair enough I think, as I would be worried about the commitment of a person who feels it's ok to take so many individual days as sick, unless of course there is a medical condition that can be backed up with a doctors certificate.

I have to agree with Here comes the sun, it's not an entitlement and they probably think you are taking the yellow stuff.


not more the 5 sick days a year is shocking... some people are just prone to fall ill more then another... as long as you provide a sick note it should be fine... and as per the new ruling (2 years now) all sick leaves are issued but Dubai Health Authority so there can be no hanky panky business plus it cost 50 bucks to get this....





louisedvs
Posts 4318


06/12/2012 16:53:28
ecochic wrote:
Kezzler wrote:
You're lucky your company allow you to take 11 separate instances of leave in such a short space of time. Our company rules allow for 2 days sick without a doctors note, but this is on condition that such occurrences don't exceed more than 5 days a year, otherwise, the chop. Fair enough I think, as I would be worried about the commitment of a person who feels it's ok to take so many individual days as sick, unless of course there is a medical condition that can be backed up with a doctors certificate.

I have to agree with Here comes the sun, it's not an entitlement and they probably think you are taking the yellow stuff.


not more the 5 sick days a year is shocking... some people are just prone to fall ill more then another... as long as you provide a sick note it should be fine... and as per the new ruling (2 years now) all sick leaves are issued but Dubai Health Authority so there can be no hanky panky business plus it cost 50 bucks to get this....


5 days a year????? and then they sack you? they are operating outside the law and if they did sack someone they could take them to court.





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