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holly
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19/05/2010 19:08:25
I'm Australian as is DH. We did not have a residence visa for the baby or her older sister. I had left the country many times with the older sister, usually without being asked for any permissions.
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xmasbaby
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19/05/2010 18:18:42
We're canadian and once upon exit from Toronto without my dh, I was asked for a letter.
I showed him the residency visa's for dd and explained that since we lived in Dubai, and was only visiting home (Toronto), that I didn't think I needed it. lame excuse but he agreed and emphasized that next time to bring one, b/c DD was a Canadian citizen and they had a lot of divorcees/kidnapping issues and needed to make sure she was safe.
he also said, that in some countries, they have less ability to get the children out if there are any of these issues so they are pretty strict about it.
Personally, I would carry one just in case.
Edited to add: he also said, that if dh were travelling without me, they would request the same from him signed by me.
edited by xmasbaby on 19/05/2010
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mover and a sheikha
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19/05/2010 18:05:14
Let's look at possible variables!
Holly what nationality are you and your husband?
Also, did you have a residency visa for you baby?
Did you have other children that have already been in and out of the UAE?
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famn
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19/05/2010 17:55:43
Yep.. prob the residency visa... I travelled with mine and had no questions at all... but then the passport already had his residency stamp in it - so technically that acknowledges entry maybe??
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cryptic
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19/05/2010 17:40:00
You may be onto something Holly. My LO had residency at the time of travel. We applied for residency immediately. So maybe it is different.
Will ask my friend who traveled with her newborn 6 weeks after giving birth without her husband what she needed as hers never had residency here.
edited by cryptic on 19/05/2010
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holly
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19/05/2010 17:38:11
michamen wrote: [] color=#000099]holly wrote: cryptic wrote: holly wrote: cibacibute wrote: holly wrote:
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I took my 2 month old to the US last summer without my dh and without a letter and was not questioned exiting or entering the US.[/quote
If it was the first trip of a child born here, then I assume you had your exit pass/stamp in their passport then, which would have required the fathers permission. IF not, you were extremely lucky - the authorities are very strict on this.
edited by holly on 19/05/2010 Holly is this something new? My daughter was born here in July last year and I travelled to the U.k when she was 10 weeks old without my husband-no exit pass stamp in her passport-just her residency visa. edited by michamen on 19/05/2010 edited by michamen on 19/05/2010 I can only speak to my own experience. Your post makes me wonder about the definition of a newborn - at the time I was refused exit, my DD was not resident (she was too young, and we hadn't had time to do the paperwork). Perhaps the rules are different if you have the residency papers, which may have been the case for Cryptic. I don't know but I saw many different officers at both the airport and immigration, the police and pretty much every body else in authority. They were immutable, and very clear. As we didn't have the "entry" stamp, we needed this special permission. Perhaps if you have the residency papers, the "no entry" part is moot - the rights of residency would have been established via the resident visa, but I don't know. All is can say is that if you're planning to leave with a very young child, do your homework EARLY. Being refused exit is devastating - especially in light of all the stress associated with being a new mum, travelling, being on your own, living here ................
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cryptic
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19/05/2010 17:33:08
My dh was in Jordan at the time of my exit to the US. Had been there for quite a few days. I had no exit stamps, no letters, nothing. My LO was booked under my name and my credit card and was only done 5 days before travel. Was not asked once for any proof that I had permission to exit to the US with my newborn baby. No phone calls were made to my husband to check if I was allowed to leave.
So lucky maybe.
Passport issuance a possiblity as to why I wasn't.
Who knows. I just now I walked out of the UAE without any permission from my keeper..
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michamen
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19/05/2010 17:30:05
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I took my 2 month old to the US last summer without my dh and without a letter and was not questioned exiting or entering the US.[/quote
If it was the first trip of a child born here, then I assume you had your exit pass/stamp in their passport then, which would have required the fathers permission. IF not, you were extremely lucky - the authorities are very strict on this.
edited by holly on 19/05/2010 Holly is this something new? My daughter was born here in July last year and I travelled to the U.k when she was 10 weeks old without my husband-no exit pass stamp in her passport-just her residency visa. edited by michamen on 19/05/2010 edited by michamen on 19/05/2010
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holly
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19/05/2010 17:29:47
cryptic wrote: holly wrote: cryptic wrote: holly wrote:
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him). My friend used to do the visa runs back and forth to Oman with her newborn and her oldest child without her husband without any issues. The stamp I'm refering to is for Newborns - ie first time exiters. Young children, as I mentioned elsewhere, may well travel with their mothers without query. When my LO was 2 months old it was her first stamp out of the UAE
I'm still not sure if you actually got the exit pass from immigration, or you're talking about the stamp you get at the airport. If you did not get an exit pass, you were extremely lucky. The authorities are very clear on this - I was refused exit with my baby. It was a huge issue for me as DH was out of the country so unable to give permission in person. The fathers need to get an exit permission from immigration which is valid for something like 10 or 12 days only, for the childs first trip out of the UAE. If you have this pass then the proceedure is as normal at the airport (no further authorisations required) - ie a stamp at immigration. If you don't have it, you are not allowed to leave - sounds like you may have been very lucky.
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cryptic
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19/05/2010 17:24:46
holly wrote: cryptic wrote: holly wrote:
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him). My friend used to do the visa runs back and forth to Oman with her newborn and her oldest child without her husband without any issues. The stamp I'm refering to is for Newborns - ie first time exiters. Young children, as I mentioned elsewhere, may well travel with their mothers without query.
When my LO was 2 months old it was her first stamp out of the UAE. It was her first flight anywhere
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holly
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19/05/2010 17:23:19
cryptic wrote: holly wrote:
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him). My friend used to do the visa runs back and forth to Oman with her newborn and her oldest child without her husband without any issues.
The stamp I'm refering to is for Newborns - ie first time exiters. Young children, as I mentioned elsewhere, may well travel with their mothers without query.
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holly
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19/05/2010 17:21:20
cryptic wrote: holly wrote: cibacibute wrote: holly wrote:
I took my 2 month old to the US last summer without my dh and without a letter and was not questioned exiting or entering the US. If it was the first trip of a child born here, then I assume you had your exit pass/stamp in their passport then, which would have required the fathers permission. IF not, you were extremely lucky - the authorities are very strict on this. edited by holly on 19/05/2010
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cryptic
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19/05/2010 17:14:52
holly wrote: cibacibute wrote: holly wrote:
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him). Thanks ladies for sharing your experiences. It looks as it is not an issue in most cases, but better to have it. Holly, any idea if you would have a NOC, is it kind free style letter or some sort of form from some office e.g. immigration/embassy etc? Sorry, been away from the thread a bit. My NOC is a free form one - but carries the company stamp and is also translated into Arabic. To be clear, young children often cross the borders with mothers ( and may or may not get a hard time from authorities) but NEWBORNS - ie their first trip ABSOLUTELY must have a fathers authority. This comes via the exit pass you must apply for from immigration. There's detail on other threads, but you will not be able to get a NEWBORN out for the first time without the appropriate authorities and stamps from immigration. This is because they do not have an "entry" stamp and therefore their first trip goes a large way to establishing their status - ie as resident or not, which affects the fathers authority enormously. Crying child at my lap so apologies if this is not completely clear!
I took my 2 month old to the US last summer without my dh and without a letter and was not questioned exiting or entering the US.
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cryptic
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19/05/2010 17:12:50
mover and a sheikha wrote: cryptic wrote: mover and a sheikha wrote:
The letters of permission are not required this end but th US and Canada are pretty keen on them (as in law)! I was not asked for proof of anything when I traveled to the US last summer with my 2 month old. And her last name and mine are different. My mate was given an incredibly hard time going into canada last year and they said that she needed a letter to travel from the father. Perhaps it's a guidelaine and depends on the immigration officer?
I haven't traveled to Canada with my LO. We flew directly to San Francisco when we went home. And never had an issue. Flew to Cyprus a month ago also had no issues. Went to Jordan a few days after my dh and they didn't question either.
Perhaps it has to do with passport?
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holly
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19/05/2010 16:54:31
cibacibute wrote: holly wrote:
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him). Thanks ladies for sharing your experiences. It looks as it is not an issue in most cases, but better to have it. Holly, any idea if you would have a NOC, is it kind free style letter or some sort of form from some office e.g. immigration/embassy etc?
Sorry, been away from the thread a bit. My NOC is a free form one - but carries the company stamp and is also translated into Arabic.
To be clear, young children often cross the borders with mothers ( and may or may not get a hard time from authorities) but NEWBORNS - ie their first trip ABSOLUTELY must have a fathers authority. This comes via the exit pass you must apply for from immigration. There's detail on other threads, but you will not be able to get a NEWBORN out for the first time without the appropriate authorities and stamps from immigration. This is because they do not have an "entry" stamp and therefore their first trip goes a large way to establishing their status - ie as resident or not, which affects the fathers authority enormously. Crying child at my lap so apologies if this is not completely clear!
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Bells_d
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19/05/2010 16:22:13
I dont think so a permission from the father is required as my 8 months old son has traveled a couple of times with my MIL without me or DH going along and there has been any such issue.
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mover and a sheikha
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19/05/2010 16:02:17
cryptic wrote: mover and a sheikha wrote:
The letters of permission are not required this end but th US and Canada are pretty keen on them (as in law)! I was not asked for proof of anything when I traveled to the US last summer with my 2 month old. And her last name and mine are different.
My mate was given an incredibly hard time going into canada last year and they said that she needed a letter to travel from the father. Perhaps it's a guidelaine and depends on the immigration officer?
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MirdifIngrid
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19/05/2010 15:18:28
My DD and I have different family names and different nationalities and I wasn't questioned when entering or leaving Oman nor the UK. I did carry a NOL with me just in case though.
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cryptic
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19/05/2010 15:17:52
holly wrote:
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him).
My friend used to do the visa runs back and forth to Oman with her newborn and her oldest child without her husband without any issues.
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loverambo
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19/05/2010 15:17:42
I just does not make sense - if a widow was travelling, shegoing to have to take a death certificate everywhere with the ***** certificate? Seems odd
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cryptic
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19/05/2010 15:16:47
mover and a sheikha wrote:
The letters of permission are not required this end but th US and Canada are pretty keen on them (as in law)!
I was not asked for proof of anything when I traveled to the US last summer with my 2 month old. And her last name and mine are different.
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loverambo
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19/05/2010 15:15:11
mover and a sheikha wrote:
The letters of permission are not required this end but th US and Canada are pretty keen on them (as in law)!
Whats the point? I write all letters from my DH, I scribble his name and voila. Not very secure system is it....
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cibacibute
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19/05/2010 15:13:34
holly wrote:
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him).
Thanks ladies for sharing your experiences. It looks as it is not an issue in most cases, but better to have it.
Holly, any idea if you would have a NOC, is it kind free style letter or some sort of form from some office e.g. immigration/embassy etc?
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Sanddy_Dogg
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14/05/2010 20:49:07
I got questioned arriving in Canada alone with kids 18 months ago and was also advised to always carry a NOL. Never been asked entering or leaving UAE.
DH has had no input into either of my kid's passport applications.
If I enter Canada without DH again this year I'll be carrying a NOL. Written by me of course.
I'm not Canadian, so I don't know if that has a bearing.
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holly
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14/05/2010 20:25:11
A newborn child definately does. Older children can technically leave alone with the mother, but it is best to carry letters. I've never been stopped at an airport, but was not allowed to pass the land border into Oman until DH turned up to provide permission as I didn't have a letter ( and was driving a car registered to him).
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mover and a sheikha
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14/05/2010 19:06:49
The letters of permission are not required this end but th US and Canada are pretty keen on them (as in law)!
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shellly
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14/05/2010 18:20:55
little *** wrote:
I wouldn't worry about it shellly.. As stated previously I never had ANY issues. My son has the same surname as me, and was not directly sponsored by me, and no-one ever asked for anything.
Thanks little p!g, as much as I love my home country Australia though, some of the Customs people can be the rudest, most arrogant people I've dealt with. So it would just be my luck that I would encounter an an@l one... lol
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14/05/2010 18:20:18
I've been travelling to the US via Heathrow from here and to and from Australia to the US when we lived in Oz, alone with my kids (with different surnames than my own) and have never been questioned. Possibly because to have a passport to begin with you need to have parental permission, not sure? My friends generally fly home for the summer without their DH's, alone with their kids and never have had a problem either, so I'm not sure it's all that common to ask for permission? I doubt you'll have any problem, shellly.
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little pig
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14/05/2010 18:18:54
I wouldn't worry about it shellly.. As stated previously I never had ANY issues. My son has the same surname as me, and was not directly sponsored by me, and no-one ever asked for anything.
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shellly
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14/05/2010 18:16:14
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Yes, that's right. It's often not on this end that you need the letter, it's on the receiving end. UK/US/AUS/NZ etc. are normally quite strict at enforcing that because of trafficking.
Really, so regardless of the baby's passport being the same surname as my passport they would still question it? I don't get it? Never really thought about this but I'll be traveling a lot with baby without DH... what does a letter prove really? I'll be flying to Oz heaps...
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