DubaiCat
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anouschka
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Dubaicat,
Do whish her a speedy delivery and all the best, this must be a really hard decision to make for her.

DubaiCat
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Thanks, that's very helpful to know. Better get the bad news up-front than have problems further down the line and she needs to know all the facts so she can make a (hopefully sensible) decision.

NOUGATNESS
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Thanks, that bit about the degree certificate might be useful.

My opinions on her situation are irrelevant here; I'm just trying to find out some info to help her, that's all. My personal situation reflects my opinions and values and I wouldn't try to foist these on her, regardless of what I think of what she's doing. I have let her know I think she is taking a big risk, though.

If anyone has ever sponsored a child born outside of marriage, it would be useful to know. Thanks.

Hi, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I have two female friends who were all set to take up positions here and couldn't as they could never sponsor their children as they had been born out of wedlock. It didn't matter if the fathers would give NOC's whatever and that the kids were born in other countries and were a fair age, it was just an absolute no, that there was no marriage when the children were born. That's just two cases I know of, and there might be exceptions but that's my experience.

desert_girl
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[quote=jellyfishSigh- Im also here and I understand the need for caution. "when in Rome" and all that- its just not as easy for those of us who had greater freedom of thought elsewhere. Regarding children,though- surely you dont revile them for their origins? I was very entertained by a young girl in the park the other day who marched straight up to my DD(who was still in uniform) and announced very haughtily,that she USED to go to that school but her mother had seen the light and moved her to her current one which was vastly superior! Happy to have put us in our place/elevated her status in our eyes she flounced off giggling. I thank her mother for giving us such a laugh!

Of course I don't revile them. I just don't want anything to do with them if I can help it. About the girl in the park, well that is obviously a case of sour grapes her Mom has with the school. I pulled my daughter out of her school for other reasons than what she thinks, as there is no need for her to know my opinion. I am not trying to be difficult either, it is something I do not agree with (children born out of wedlock) and feel that this is a country that my children should be free to grow up in without being exposed to such things until they are old enough to understand different values. The longer she only knows ours then the less chance of her thinking it will be alright to believe whatever she wants.edited by desert_girl on 02/03/2010
edited by desert_girl on 02/03/2010

jellyfish
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desert_girl
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DubaiCat
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jellyfish
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Im awake Desert girl but I dont have the same rigid and prescribed views about some things as you do because I have had different experiences in life. (IM very rigid about not apportioning blame to children for their parents choices however) The choice whether to marry or not should be a private one. Its very personal and there are many reasons for a couple to choose not to do it. I have several friends who are very happy with very balanced and much loved kids who saw things differently. Whatever the laws here currently are- its not the only way to think and neither is it necessarily a great evil to be a bit more relaxed about it. Perhaps the UAE isnt the best place to follow ones convictions (pardon pun) but its quite cosmopolitan in a lot of ways and this may be misleading for less conventional families who may be thinking of settling here.

Flower Child
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anouschka
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desert_girl
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I know an American lady who is married to an Emirati. They married in the US many years ago and their children are all teenagers now. When she applied for UAE nationality it emerged that her marriage was not recognized here and her children were, by the law, illegitimate.

anouschka
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desert_girl
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jellyfish
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desert_girl
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Well it is still illegal to have your man and child here all out of marriage, regardless of where the baby is born.

Take the risks and don't complain later.
It was one of 'these' children that taught my kids that s&x out of marriage was normal, as 'her parents did not believe in marriage'. The school were livid and so was I. Needless to say the family and their 4 offspring have now left Dubai.

anouschka
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Babyrat
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Rules have slightly relaxed here. I have a RAK visa and I enquired about sponsoring my daughter at one stage last year as DH was made redundant last year twice. When his visa was cancelled so was DD and we had to do a couple of visa runs for the both of them. They said that I could sponsor my DD and DH so long as I had a degree certificate. Hope that helps.

desert_girl
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EmilyG
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A couple of years ago I met a single mother sponsoring her child. She was a lawyer working for a large org in one of the freezones.

DubaiCat
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The baby won't be born here. I'm a little confused myself now as it turns out she's already on a working visa here, but will go home to have the baby. She then wants to come back here and sponsor the baby herself.

Anyone think this is possible? I personally think it's madness but that could just be me and my hormonally-induced intolerance these days.

anouschka
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I'm having a blonde moment here I guess, but if a woman is pregnant when not married isn't that illegal and will she not end up having all the problems in the world when giving birth and getting her child sponsored?

DubaiCat
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Wow - I had trouble posting this last night so I didn't think it had worked! Thanks ladies.

She won't need to sponsor the baby's father, just the baby (I'm guessing Dad can't do that as they're not married). And she'll have her own company - will she still be able to sponsor the baby? And will she need an NOC from the baby's father even if they're not married? And will it matter that the baby's father also lives here?

Sorry, so many questions. It's for a fairly distant friend but as the only pregnant person she knows, she thinks I have all the answers (never mind the fact that I'm married and haven't ever been through sponsoring a child).

newindubai
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I was just able to sponsor my husband and child, and I am not a teacher, nurse, doctor or lawyer. No one raised an eyebrow about it. I do work for a pretty large company, and maybe that helped though I'm not sure. I was told that if I wanted to sponsor only my child, or do my child's visa before I did my husband's, that I would need a no-objection letter from him first.

EmilyG
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Hi when I came here 5 years ago I was not able to sponsor my dh. I was told that to do so, a woman has to be either a teacher, a nurse or a doctor. However I have since come across lawyers who sponsor their families. I think a lot has to do with the skill of the PRO dealing with the case. I have noticed that employees of certain orgs (e.g. DFSA) are more likely to be able to sponsor. Sorry if that's not much help!

RachelA
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In Qatar she would need documentation to prove that she has sole custody - I'm guessing its the same in UAE.

Angie Mar
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Thats right DC - women are able to put their children under their sponsorship and health insurance. Not sure what will happen to her partner though as she cant sponsor him if they're not married.

DubaiCat
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I have a feeling only women in certain professions - not THAT profession - can sponsor their families. Am I right? A friend is looking into moving here with her child and she's not married to the baby's father. She needs to know if she'll be able to sponsor her baby or not. Thanks .