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Latest post on 10 December 2011 - 08:30
JS so glad to hear your kitty is eating again. The fact that you have ulcers means you must not stress too much.I know it is easy to say but not so easy to do LOL.Seriously though maybe the pain in your tummy is your ulcers acting up. Cats are a wonderful remedy for high blood pressure and stress,so kick back enjoy the kitties and let the world go by for a few hours.
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Latest post on 08 December 2011 - 18:37
Dubai Kennels and Cattery sorry don't have their contact details off hand.Just google and all the info comes up. They are excellent.HTH All the best.
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Latest post on 08 December 2011 - 07:12
It is so sad that a thread that was going along so nicely with moms sharing really good infromation is being h*jacked. I have always said and will say it again if you have something to say imagine the person you are talking to was sitting across from you. It is simply good manners. However sometimes people think they have a licence to be rude behind a computor........ Ladies please don't give up on sharing good advice with newbies and oldies and sometimes those of us who have moved on to new pastures. To OP all the best with your search.:)
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Latest post on 05 December 2011 - 23:30
Gentle bump
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Latest post on 05 December 2011 - 23:18
Quizzme,you take me back almost 30 yrs now... When our boys were little we hatched a super secret family password.I was most insistant that they NEVER spoke to anyone they did not know. Never to fall for a story of any kind and if anyone said your mom or dad sent us without the super secret password it was a no go.I went a step further if the "person" knew the password to get hold of the first teacher to confirmit was OK. We still chat about it to this day.Apperently I scared the c..p out of them. Always be aware and keep your little and big ones close and know at all times where they are and what they are doing.
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Latest post on 03 December 2011 - 23:24
Bump for Lady and the babies.
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Latest post on 03 December 2011 - 23:16
you can usually tell what a person is like by the way they treat animals :)..you sound pretty nice to me js, your friends, on the other hand.................... Agreed SueB.Ghandi said "You can judge a nation by the way they treat their animals and their weakest members".That prinicpal has served me well in my lifetime. JS I think your friends are just trying to get a rise out of you ie. see how quickly they can upset you.I would seriously stop discussing your pets with them.They are not really interested in knowing.When people are trying to goad you or "pick an argument", merely change the subject. From all I know of you on EW you are a caring and compassionate person.Don't let others dictate how you should live your life. Rather discuss your pets with like minded people and of course all of us animal nutters on EW !!!!! All the best <em>edited by Nomad on 03/12/2011</em>
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Latest post on 02 December 2011 - 20:47
Sorry no advice but sending big positive hugs your way :)
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Latest post on 02 December 2011 - 20:35
We used to put the Xmas tree in the playpen - kept it out of reach of small children and if I remember a kitten one year! Priceless LOL Our tree is bare from the ground to two feet up. Kitties think all the fuss and bother is just for their pleasure, throw in a two year old grand son. No matter how many times NO with a finger wag is stressed they all seem to manage to "re decorate". Will try SueB's idea with the tin foil,but GS will probably think it was put there just for him !!( He is sooooooo cute at the moment that Ouma has a problem saying NO.LOL) As JC13 says it is all part of Christmas.
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Latest post on 02 December 2011 - 19:57
What a lovely thought,you sound like such a lovely MIL. When my son and DIL got married I presented her with a book of recipes. Some handed down in the family and my sons favorite ones over the years. I had a scrap book friend put them together with all the bits and bobs they do. DIL treasures this book,if someone asks to borrow it she refuses and offers to write down the particular recipe.....LOL Love the idea of a locket with a baby picture of your son. All the best
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Latest post on 01 December 2011 - 20:52
Another expat dog here at The Villa, not for one moment have we regretted bringing Poochie from the UK, ok it's hot in the summer but he's our dog, we love him and he loves us. We have a Poochie fund for when (or if) we go back to the UK. Our family at home really miss him but he's having a wonderful life, don't give it another thought bring them over! Makes my day to hear about your "fund",I have lived in 6 countries (hence the name ! )and it was the only way I could transport my zoo around. I agree with posters saying bring her over but do make sure before you do that you are settled and will be here for a bit.You are wise to wait until you go home next year. Another impotant issue to remember is the gardeners/ maids do not always feel the same way about animals, in general, as we do.So many go missing because the gardner left the gate open (accidently on purpose....)or the maid will take the dog for a walk and spend an hour on a bench chatting to her buddies.If help is needed to look after your pets don't assume they know what you mean,physically show them and explain exactly what is expected. All the best with your new life here with your furry baby.
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Latest post on 30 November 2011 - 20:11
Or simply read threads below. Maltese puppy and King Charles Spaniel. All you need to know about Puppy Farms and just how cruel they are. Simply google puppy farm abuse and that should give you an idea of Dogs from Thailand or any where else. People who are prepared to send a small puppy half way around the world without knowing who or what kind of people are buying the poor baby ,are ONLY doing it for the MONEY. Do a bit of research........and then have a look at the local shelters,loads of puppies there.;)
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Latest post on 30 November 2011 - 06:31
What a beautiful ending.Thanks for posting Stardust. The backround music was perfect " Here comes the sun ". The boy named Sherlock looks just like "The" Sherlock Holmes:) As you say we can all do our little bit to not support those who test on animals. I have elected to battle through Menapause using Natural HRT. The alternative that was offered to me is produced under the most cruel conditions for animals.
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Latest post on 29 November 2011 - 01:00
Sorry can't give you much advice about the "King Charles Spaniel" however you might like to read a few of the threads below this. There are two at the moment discussing the pro's and cons of buying pedigree pups. Please for your own sake and the pups, investigate the matter very well before purchasing from any form of puppy mill. Rather do it from home than wait until you come over as buying a "pedigree" puppy in Dubai is a big NO.All come from puppy mills taken from their moms way too earley,and have serious health issues. As Greenish has always said source an ethical breeder in your home country.They will ask LOADS of questions some may even come to inspect your home..... The only thing I know about the Spaniel breed is that many are prone to ear infections as the ears don't breathe, what with the long ears blocking the ear canal.Can only think it would be a problem in the heat of Dubai.Hopefully someone on here with more experience can advise you. All the best P.S. Just a thought,why not consider one of the desert type breeds available from K9 Friends Dubai ( dog rescue ) perfectly suited for this climate and will save you the cost of flying a dog to the UAE.email Dubai Kennels and Cattery to get an idea of the costs of bringing and then re patriating animals......as one poster said it can be so expensive she was thinking of selling a kidney !!!!LOL <em>edited by Nomad on 29/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 28 November 2011 - 22:46
wyddfa, Please don't delet your post. As two very respected animal advocates( MC and Greenish ) have said it is a great teaching tool for others who may be looking for "Specific Breeds". Please don't take Kristina_rmv's post to heart.She is very much on the front line of animal rescue in Dubai.Believe me not an easy job and entirely on a volunteer basis. From a few of her posts on Puppy Farms,there are a large number of Puppy Farms in her own country. She has first hand knowledge of what goes on.I really believe it is not personal, merely a response to yet another thread about sourcing a particular breed puppy in Dubai ( please correct me if I am wrong Kristaina). Have you ever considered a puppy from K9.The folk there are really good at benig able to asses the eventual size of a "mixed breed" (Hienz 59 variety !!)by the size of the paws.I have a number of friends who have taken my advice gone down to K9 and are now the proud owners of small to medium sized mixed desert breeds. In fact when some have returned back home their dogs are considered special and different as they look salukish ( is that a word ? LOL ). All the best in your search and as MC said you sound like a lovely family who will give that special pup a wonderful forever life. <em>edited by Nomad on 28/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 28 November 2011 - 21:54
What a TERRIBLY cruel way to make money. And some posters looking for particular breeds of puppies wonder why we all get frothy at the mouth. Get off your duff take the blinkers off and see the issue for what it is. Extreme animal cruelty. Rant over... PHEW
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Latest post on 27 November 2011 - 08:59
***Priceless*** On my wedding day MIL's "friend" had on the same dress, MIL asked her to please change.Friend refused.Needless to say from that day forward whenever our wedding was discussed all she could remember was the blooming dress !!!
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Latest post on 24 November 2011 - 21:02
Hi Kristina, Try posting on the main forum askiing for URGENT help. It is worth a shot. All the best
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Latest post on 24 November 2011 - 20:45
LoopyLoo, Sending big hugs your way.Don't give up hope. All the very best
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Latest post on 23 November 2011 - 21:03
Hi, situation here isn't very good actually, and I decided to do the first steps to know how much it will cost us to bring all our zoo back home (2 dogs, 9 cats and a parrot). Does anyone know the red tape ? cost, etc ? A a thread that have been on already that I didn't find ? Thank you very much in advance for your help :) I always found it better to prepare myself for the most extreme requirements as far as innoculations and pre requisites were concerned. We opened up a seperate banking account and put away as much as we could manage each month, a pet travel fund.As nadadanada said be prepared to donate a kidney HE HE HE, it won't hurt as much if you have put a bit away. With regards to your parrot ( I have a rescued African Grey ) it gets a bit trickey as some countries a very strict what with Avian Flu scares in the past. Dubai Kennels and Cattery a pros contact them for details.Really worth a read just to keep yourself up to speed. All the best with the "zoo".:) <em>edited by Nomad on 23/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 23 November 2011 - 20:36
SK Thanks for sharing the youtube clip it was just precious. I have rescued animals from all over the world at great expense. When we came to DXB I realised that I could not take on another pet and decided to foster instead.I could not stand by and do nothing. I would go so far as to say that it is one of the most rewarding things I have ever done.Yes it is hard to say goodbye to the little bundles of joy but you look forward to the next life you can save. Yes I do agree with you 100% that people should be made aware of the responsibility of owning an animal in the expat lifestyle. However you must consider that all the animals welfare organisations in the ME are volunteer based with limited time and resources. I know personally when adopting out my fosters I would literally grill the new parents and my follow ups were incessant. However this is not always possible and an elemant of trust is used after the initial criteria is met. Most animal rescue orgnisations use a series of forms to be completed and an initial financial commitment to the spay/neuter and innoculations. I do agree that so many people just up and leave not giving a thought to what will happen to their "pets",the rescue groups are full of these poor babies (and those are the lucky ones most die on the streets). It is up to us the animals "voice" to make people accountable.I was most outspoken when friends, neighbours etc. got a pet , to the point of annoying some ......LOL..... too bad. You sound pretty passionate about animals, why no take the step and try fostering.
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Latest post on 11 November 2011 - 19:16
Greenish, I am sure the OP realises that you only have the welfare of these poor babies at heart. Please don't stop sharing this valuable information,as Marieka said if you hadn't posted she would never have known just how cruel the Tea Cup "breed" is. FYI I have passed the article you suggested on to a few people thinking about getting the TC lap dog size,who are now thinking twice. In my minds eye Greenish = Crusader fighting the puppy mills(there I go with labeling people he he ) All the best <em>edited by Nomad on 11/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 10 November 2011 - 09:49
Thanks Kristina_rmnv you pipped me at the post !! @Sarakiyan those of us who have been involved in animal welfare/rescue etc.have seen some horrendous cases involving puppy mills. Go online and do a bit of investigation to get an idea of what goes on. It will turn your stomach. All the puppies for sale, imported into Dubai come from some sort of puppy mill.Any decent breeder would never send their puppies overseas to an unknown fate. Have you ever considered contacting K9 they have a number of smaller dogs up for adoption? <em>edited by Nomad on 10/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 10 November 2011 - 09:37
Fairwater, Your babies sound adorable and much loved. Sure I am preaching to the choir but a few home visits and loads of questions to the prespective new parents won't go amiss. Yorkies are so very popular as"handbag" pets and we all know what happens to last years fashions. All the best with your bundles of fur. <em>edited by Nomad on 10/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 10 November 2011 - 09:29
Goodmorning fairwater, I would be very interested in giving a puppy a home as we recently had a very bad experience with an imported sick dog that we had to return, and therefore decided we would only ever consider a home bread dog from now on. My email is [email protected], I look forward to hearing from you. Have this terrible image in my mind now of this poor little thing being returned to who knows what fate because it was sick.But I suppose that is what happens when you support the puppy mill machine........its all about the money. <em>edited by Nomad on 10/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 09 November 2011 - 20:13
From personal experience I would recomend Moorfields. First Class facility Dr Canning who runs it is amazing as are all the staff. From past expaerience it is essential that all eye injuries and ailments be seen to ASAP.Wherever you decide to go don't wait. All the best.
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Latest post on 08 November 2011 - 22:12
Def not in Dubai.You will be suppporting the puppy mill machine.....PLEASE dont support the importation of these poor babies, go online and do a bit of research. Sorry I don't have the names of the sites ( Help Greenish !!) Visit K9 or any of the animal welfare organisations in Dubai, they have many lost, abandoned and throw away Christmas gifts. I read recently they have a number of smaller dogs needing homes. HTH <em>edited by Nomad on 08/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 08 November 2011 - 22:06
AWWWWWWW What more can I say !!!
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Latest post on 08 November 2011 - 22:00
both my grandfathers were killed in the "Great" War, and several uncles in WW2. And the shadow of their loss darkened our young lives.............and just to put it into a very personal perspective, when my parents' house was cleared out after their deaths a few years ago, I found in a drawer the purse my grandmother had been using in the years before her death. In it was an envelope, postmarked 1966......inside that was a much leafed fragile telegram, from the front, telling her of her husband's wounds...........not expected to live. Tucked inside was a poppy petal. She carried that, changing the envelope how many times over the years to keep it safe........from October 20th 1918 until her death in 1971. That is the meaning of the poppy...........for my grandfathers, their lost dreams, the lost dreams of their wives and children.............and the lost young men and dreams of every generation..........of every country..........wasted by the tragedy of war. We shall not forget them. Livelytirsh while reading your post couldn't stop the tears. We shall not forget them. I wear my poppy proudly for my dear gentle POP. Fought in the battle of De Ville Wood (WW1) badly wounded one of the few hundred to march out,thousands marched in....... I wear it for my lost uncles from WW2 and I wear it to honor those who are touched by the tragedy of war today. I feel it is up to each generation to pass on the lessons and meaning of the poppy.
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Latest post on 08 November 2011 - 21:41
Goose grease ... ! My Granny used to swear by it .. Although I think the break away may also do you the WORLD of good ! Have fun SB x Oh does that ever take me back.Sounds just like my old gran,bless her heart. SalsB sure a holday will be just the ticket until then another of Granny's favorites was"Lets have a cuppa, things always look better after a cuppa" She was a veteran of the 1st and 2nd W wars and honestly believed in the power of a good cuppa.....:) All the best. <em>edited by Nomad on 08/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 08 November 2011 - 21:34
Just love the thread title :)
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Latest post on 08 November 2011 - 21:31
Sending positive thoughts from the other side of the world. Hope he comes home soon.
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Latest post on 08 November 2011 - 21:14
Livelytrish wrote. The doctor involved was not in the pay of drug companies.............he was quite simply a publicity seeking maverick and a charlatan who faked his evidence and exploited the misery of families trying to come to terms with their child's condition. He was quite rightly struck off and in fact is lucky not to be facing criminal fraud charges in the UK. Sadly the damage he has done lives on. Saw pictures recently of children covered in measles crying in pain,very sad.CNN interviewed said "doctor" while on a conferance in Jamaica,honestly he was so smug stood by his findings and had no remorse.Can't believe he is not in jail. Very interesting reading on this thread.Thanks ladies. <em>edited by Nomad on 08/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 07 November 2011 - 01:54
Thanks SueB,I have been searching for this for ages. Mods maybe a good idea to make this a permanent fixture on the pets section.
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Latest post on 07 November 2011 - 01:17
Print up some flyers with his photo and a reward in BOLD lettering.Pass it out to the "maids" network, security and gardeners. Put up flyers at all retail outlets ( Spinneys etc.) in your area. Post a photo of him on Feline Friends lost and found section. Post an ad on dubizzle. Check with the municipality pop round there as they are not always correct with the descriptions over the phone. Put up flyers at the nearest vets office with microchip no. Carry on with the food and bikkies routine at night,check neighbours gardens , sheds and garages.Drop some flyers off with the nieghbours. As I mentioned in another post a lady used a baby monitor at the door the cat used and she heard him at 3am in the morning.... Hope he comes home soon. edited by Nomad on 07/11/2011 <em>edited by Nomad on 07/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 07 November 2011 - 01:09
I would say something, just as I have said something in the past to parents with unrestrained children in the car. It's rarely greeted with a warm "thank-you", but I'm not saying it for any thanks. I'm saying to be a voice for the children those parents are not protecting. When it comes to proven child safety issues, I am tactful and respectful when I speak, but I could care less about their opinion on my "unsolicited parenting advice." ;) so how would you feel if someone told you how to raise your children or what you were doing ITO was wrong? I've received plenty of unsolicited parenting advice over my 6 short years of being a parent. Haven't we all? I consider myself relatively well educated on the basics of baby/toddler/child health, safety, nutrition and development etc. I regularly read reputable authors and recognised research papers etc to keep myself up to date. I'm a pretty even tempered, open minded person so if someone feels the need to make a suggestion (or a complaint...lol) I'm very happy to listen to them. I also taught teenagers for fifteen years so it takes a fair bit to get me riled. So...to answer your question, how I would *feel* depends on what they have to say and how they say it [u'>and[/u'> how that opinion may affect any children under their care. I like to think I would feel calm and would appreciate that they care enough to say something. What I would DO is something else all together. I'd do one of two things depending on my knowledge on the specific subject: - listen, smile, nod my head and thank them for their time, then either ignore their advice or educate myself further on that subject - if it's something I 'know stuff' about I'll continue a conversation with them to see if we can come to some mutual agreement...especially if what they say is dangerous and they are also caring for children. I hope the parents I speak to *do* the same thing. I believe with my whole heart that I have a duty to be part of 'the village raising the child'. I reign myself in and only give advice when either it's asked for or a child is in danger. If a child is in danger I honestly couldn't give two hoots about how the parent *feels* when I speak to them, always in a calm, caring, respectful tone. At least I know for the sake of the child I tried. edited by Green-ish on 06/11/2011 **Like** button pushed. Very well put Greenish,when a child or animal is in danger I always speak up. Yes in a calm manner but always in the back of mind,they don't have a voice.
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Latest post on 07 November 2011 - 00:37
Hi LL, So sorry to hear your boy has not come home. Just a thought ... a while back one of the ladies mentioned she put a baby monitor outside her door ( the one he would use to come in and out ) and she heard her cat at 3 am in the morning. Worth a shot. Hope he finds his way home soon.
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Latest post on 04 November 2011 - 18:32
Hi loopy, Print up flyers with his pic and a reward in bold letters. Pass it around the "maids network" gardeners and security in your area. Works wonders as they are so to say out and about in the neighbourhood. Visit Feline Friends site and put up a picture and details under the lost/found section. Take some of the flyers and post them up in retail outlets in your area ( Spinneys etc. ). Go out tonight with a box of bikkies rattle them and call his name (things are generally quieter in the evening). Check neighbours gardens, sheds, garages, leave flyers with neighbours in your area. Really hope he strolls in without a care in the world.......:) All the best.
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Latest post on 23 October 2011 - 23:28
The desert rose likes a well drained sandy soil and full sun. It could be soft at the base because of over watering,but then again it can also go soft and spongy because of too little water.How long have you been watering at 3 day intervals ? Possibly try stepping up the watering for a few days.If you don't see an improvement then it is def too much watering and cut back to once a week. HTH
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Latest post on 23 October 2011 - 22:54
Kristina, What you are doing and have done with regards animal welfare is amazing,please don't apologise for caring. If people get annoyed all they have to do is skip reading the thread. Keep up the good work and I hope your new batch get the loving homes they all deserve.Sounds like there are a few good leads. All the best.
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Latest post on 23 October 2011 - 22:48
JS You have done an amazing job.The photos say it all. Poor boy couldn't even look at the camera he looked so scared and abused. Fast forward after a bit of love and care a beautiful confident cat looking straight at the camera. Thank you for all you did. <em>edited by Nomad on 23/10/2011</em>
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Latest post on 20 October 2011 - 22:47
Gentle bump for little Petro. He sounds like a dear little fellow and deserves a chance at a forever home. Well done JS.
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Latest post on 17 October 2011 - 17:02
Suzy that's really horrible!!! I'm glad her parents taught her what to do! Out of curiosity, do they have any 'stranger danger' programs in the schools here? We had a program at home called 'Safety House'. Local families who wanted to could apply and be screened with the police, they would have a sign put outside the house with a yellow house with a smiley face- we were all taught if we had 'stranger danger' or anything else wrong and we couldn't find an adult, we could run to a Safety House and the mums/dads there would call our parents, the dr or police depending on the situation. I had to use this one day when my mum got delayed picking me up and all the school staff had left for the day. A man tried to grab me and luckily I got away from him and ran to the safety house (in this case it was actually the local doctor's office near the school) They called my father at work to let him know where I was and waited with me at school til my mum came to get me (car had broken down) Turned out the man was wanted by the police for several other crimes involving kids- I had a very lucky escape! Several other kids made good use of the Safety House- one when she had an asthma attack and lost her inhaler, the other when mum & dad each thought it was the other's turn for school pickup. Perhaps it might be worth asking the community council if you could instititute a 'safety house' type program here... even if it is just in each school area with trusted parents. SK what a terrible experience,thank goodness for the safe house program. In view of what has been happening I think a brilliant idea.
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Latest post on 17 October 2011 - 16:56
Hi everyone - on the 26 Sep in DSO, my 6 yr old daughter's tennis friend was approached by two men, one in a car, and the other standing just outside of the car, They asked her if she wanted to see their kittens...fortunately, her parents had taught her well and she took off running. The police took this very seriously, but they are having problems catching them because a 6 yr olds description is of course very inaccurate. All she could say was they they were fair skinned. I have also heard reports of two Eastern European men taking photographs outside of school nearby a few months ago. They were approached by parents and they claim they had an appointment at the school about architecture. A few streetwise parents dragged them to the office, and the camera revealed photos of the children. - yet the school just deleted the photos and shewed them away. KT - can you pinpoint the day and time these men were taking photographs? We can provide this information to the local police here and potentially see if this little girl can identify them. This is VERY SERIOUS! With regards to coloring of the child, I understand that the child traffickers, especially the Eastern European once at least, do very much appreciate the blond/blue eyes girls. This little 6 yr old has beautiful olive skin, long blond hair and is an absolute stunner. It appears this was a pro job because they came right in the middle of peak playing time at our local playground so they were loads of people around. If anyone has any descriptions, please let us know. SD reading this has just made my blood run cold. Thank goodness she had been schooled on what to do. A big thank you to you for clarifying this attempted abduction. KT hopefully you can pass on the info to SD and the police can finally identify these two beasts. A good idea I think is for all concerned parents to bring this to the attention of the schools.Keep the heat on these two so that they can be caught. The school that deleted the photos should really be hauled over the coals.The police should def have been called. Most importantly keep a close watch on your children as SD said they pounce when and where we least expect it. If you have a maid/nanny watching your kids a good sit down is in order.The last thing many maids do while at the playground is watch the kids,too busy chatting. <em>edited by Nomad on 17/10/2011</em>
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 07:57
I had the same problem with my creeper every year.Tried the tobacco water and it did help. Get rid of the old leaves and I also cut it back quite a bit.Grew back as good as new in no time. Keep a close watch next season and at the first sign of the little blighters give them a dose of tobacco sludge.
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 07:36
What good news.:) Keep a close eye on him, once he has had a taste of the big outdoors he could possibly try to escape again.
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Latest post on 15 October 2011 - 19:55
Gentle bump for Mogali.
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Latest post on 14 October 2011 - 00:39
So how has ur dog been Khatoon? =) Believe or not , she repeated it for three days and then stopped .She has been fine for few days now. Hi khatoon, I really think your dog has been reacting to your emotions. Things are looking on the up and up you are relaxing so is your pooch.Happy mom = happy dog....... Keep well
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Latest post on 13 October 2011 - 22:28
Print up flyers with the cats photo and a reward printed up with microchip no. ASAP.Pass them out to the security and maids and gardeners in your area. They are one of the best networks to use esp. if you have a reward posted. Stick up flyers at retailers in your area. Go out in the still of the evening with a biscuit box shake it and call cats name.Being an indoor cat it will probably be hiding.Check neighbours sheds garages gardens. Get the details on dubizzle and also the Feline Friends lost/ found site. Contact the municipality, you might have to call round there as they are not too good with descriptions....Put flyers up at your local vets etc.HTH All the best.
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Latest post on 13 October 2011 - 22:14
Thanks for your responses ladies. Everything about these two men just felt wrong. For some reason I noticed them the second they walked in + hoovered around quietly observing children outside Toystore. It was as though they were pretending to be tourists. In the interest of warning other mothers I shall attempt to describe them. Though hard to say I think they were of Eastern European origin (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan perhaps), both in their 40s. One man was tall + slim (6,3ft or there abouts) with darker brown hair peppered with grey, while the other was shorter, not so slim and with a rounder face wearing a rose coloured tshirt. Both white but tanned + both had professional cameras the type with zoom in lenses. I telephoned 901 to report the incident because I decided to trust my gut instinct that this was not innocent. I have in the past been more than happy to have my DS+DD held, talked to + even cuddled by friendly child loving strangers who have asked permission first. This was different though. The agent who picked up my 901 telephone call said he would report it to IBN Battuta Mall management + if I see them again to immediately report them. Thank you KT for starting the initial thread warning parents about these men who gave you a "creepy feeling". So glad you have reported it. I think instead of debating about photographing children if it is cultural or not we should all take from this issue the fact that something seemed to be amiss here. A balanced view about people admiring / photographing your children is needed and overall TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS. If nothing else it has raised awarness and given us all a nudge to be ever vigilant when it comes to our precious kids. <em>edited by Nomad on 13/10/2011</em>