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Tringlady
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Latest post on 23 November 2014 - 18:01

Hi, can anyone offer me some advice please, I am due to join my husband in Dubai next summer with our children, aged 14 & 16. My daughter will join 6th form. I have heard that it is very hard to get a university grant back in the UK if you have not had 3 years continuous residency in the UK prior to starting university. My daughter would like to return to the UK at the end of Year 13, to attend uni. Has anybody else encountered this problem? Are there ways around it? Thankyou.
<em>edited by Tringlady on 26/11/2014</em>

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Syreeta_UK
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Latest post on 03 December 2014 - 14:23
I had friends in a similar position and they had to move back for this reason. Very stressful. :)
March
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Latest post on 30 November 2014 - 15:55
Dont you think this should be taken into consideration when moving abroad? I would not consider applying for home status when its a blatant lie. In my opinion its just as bad as a benefits cheat. Why do you assume that people are lying? Different universities ask for different things. Some ask for an incredible amount of detail and evidence to support it. Flight tickets or boarding pass stubs (you have to hang on to these things for years) going back at least 3 years and sometimes longer. Bills and receipts from UK , house deeds, work contracts or whatever. No secret is made of where your child's school is - they get a reference from the school, they know where the child was educated and therefore know that they must have spent a lot of the year in that country whatever else you say or don't say. I'm not saying that noone lies but that it's a huge generalisation and not necessary anyway to get home status depending on your circumstances and as others have said depending on the university. In my experience some have asked more questions and some less, all have know where the children have been at school and all have given home status.
simpleasabc
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Latest post on 30 November 2014 - 13:58
Dont you think this should be taken into consideration when moving abroad? I would not consider applying for home status when its a blatant lie. In my opinion its just as bad as a benefits cheat. It is the universities who decide, not you. Some of them send you financial status forms to complete before offering a place and some don't. If they see fit to grant you home status when you have completed the forms truthfully, why on earth would you reject it?
ladymary
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Latest post on 30 November 2014 - 13:46
Dont you think this should be taken into consideration when moving abroad? I would not consider applying for home status when its a blatant lie. In my opinion its just as bad as a benefits cheat.
Wife of 777
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Latest post on 30 November 2014 - 13:44
Good luck !
simpleasabc
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Latest post on 30 November 2014 - 13:42
Hope all goes well, Angela :) It's a stressful time for both parents and children. Oh, something else I've learned - some UK universities will offer places on the basis of the student being "international" but won't offer the same student a place on the same course if they apply for "Home/EU" status.
angela
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Latest post on 30 November 2014 - 06:37
We are just about to submit ucas form today so will update how we get on!
Tringlady
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Latest post on 30 November 2014 - 01:49
Very interesting reading. It seems to be a case of pot luck! Thanks for all the information.
simpleasabc
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Latest post on 29 November 2014 - 14:17
I have no idea how it works. UK universities each seem to have completely different criteria, though they are all supposed to conform to the same rules. It seems almost random, from what we understand! When she was applying via UCAS, my daughter was assessed automatically as an international student by one university; as an international student by another, after we filled in a form; not assessed by a third, though offered a place; and given home status after we filled in a financial assessment form, by a fourth, which she now attends. However, she has just been turned down for a tuition fees loan by the student loan company, because we have no proof of residential ties to the UK/Switzerland in the three years prior to her having started at university. This is fair enough, as though we do own property there, we rent it out and she has not lived there during that time. There was no point applying for a maintenance loan because our income is above the threshold required. We are grateful we do not have to pay international fees, anyway. If you maintain a residence in the UK whilst you are living abroad and can give proof of such with utility bills and mortgage statements, as well as proof that it is a temporary assignment and you intend to return to the UK at the end of the assignment, I think it is more likely that your child will be granted home status and be able to get a tuition fees loan. If you do send your child to boarding school in England, you would need to give her/your residential address as an English one (not the school) when filling in the UCAS form, I guess. Good luck, it is all down to chance, I think!
March
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Latest post on 27 November 2014 - 17:22
Hi Tringlady She should be fine if she is British, the grant will however be dependent on your household income. The tuition fee loan and up to 65% of the maintenance loan can be applied for without looking at household income but if you want the rest of the loan and the grant to be considered they will look at parents and student income. The grant is kept for those with a lower household income. Hope this helps? thats not correct.... you have to be back in uk for 3 years residency before you start uni and not just for educational purposes, there are ways and means tho if you have house, bills, etc etc but when you fill out ucas forms the universities will ask all that information and it will be down to them if they give you home status or overseas status..... i know a lot of people who have no phsyical ties with the uk, ie house etc and they now have to pay overseas rates, even though they are british and born there etc there is no hard and fast rule, all down to the year, the course and the university, but you will know when you apply as ucas/unis will say if home/overseas rates etc. in a lot of cases the overseas rates are not much different to the english rates the only difference will be you will have to pay your tutition fees up front and not get a loan etc no grants anymore. There are still grants for maintenance. As long as you complete in detail all your financial information with evidence for Student Finance England and it is below a certain amount your child will be given a grant which is made up to the full amount with a loan. There are also scholarships in some unis but you have to go for the right courses, languages and science subjects in particular and good results. Also , if you tick the box to say you don't mind your financial information being shared with the universities then in my experience once your child arrives they are offered a bursary to help, even if they have already been given a scholarship. So, it's still an expensive business but there is some help available if you need it. This is all assuming you are granted home status because you have remained linked with the UK. <em>edited by March on 28/11/2014</em>
Tringlady
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Latest post on 26 November 2014 - 23:20
Thank you everyone, this information has been very useful.
busybee2559
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Latest post on 26 November 2014 - 22:00
Hi Tringlady She should be fine if she is British, the grant will however be dependent on your household income. The tuition fee loan and up to 65% of the maintenance loan can be applied for without looking at household income but if you want the rest of the loan and the grant to be considered they will look at parents and student income. The grant is kept for those with a lower household income. Hope this helps? thats not correct.... you have to be back in uk for 3 years residency before you start uni and not just for educational purposes, there are ways and means tho if you have house, bills, etc etc but when you fill out ucas forms the universities will ask all that information and it will be down to them if they give you home status or overseas status..... i know a lot of people who have no phsyical ties with the uk, ie house etc and they now have to pay overseas rates, even though they are british and born there etc there is no hard and fast rule, all down to the year, the course and the university, but you will know when you apply as ucas/unis will say if home/overseas rates etc. in a lot of cases the overseas rates are not much different to the english rates the only difference will be you will have to pay your tutition fees up front and not get a loan etc no grants anymore.
Puddle31
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Latest post on 26 November 2014 - 16:34
Correct away, I would say that if she is eligible the household income bit still stands. Student Finance England are generally quite helpful, it might be best to give them a ring?
ladymary
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Latest post on 26 November 2014 - 13:57
You are ordinarily resident in the UK, and have been for the full three-years before the first day of the academic year Ordinarily resident means that you main home is in the UK, and you are choosing to live in the UK. AND The main reason for you being in the UK was not to receive full-time education This means that for any part of the three years before the first day of the academic year, you must not have been here wholly for education.
Buddha
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Latest post on 26 November 2014 - 12:23
Sorry Puddle31 but I got to correct you. If child hasn't been in uk for the 3 years prior to going to uk they may not be able to access student loan and may have to pay overseas fees. I believe it all depends on the university and there are ways you can assist in perhaps obtaining what is called home status. Maintaining a home and paying council tax may help. I also believe there are lawyers/ agents who can assist. But yes, it can be very problematic. I have a friend who sent her daughter back fro two years for A levels and still can't get home status. What you save on school fees out here may help fund her university.
Puddle31
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Latest post on 26 November 2014 - 10:19
Hi Tringlady She should be fine if she is British, the grant will however be dependent on your household income. The tuition fee loan and up to 65% of the maintenance loan can be applied for without looking at household income but if you want the rest of the loan and the grant to be considered they will look at parents and student income. The grant is kept for those with a lower household income. Hope this helps?
Tringlady
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Latest post on 26 November 2014 - 00:59
Hi, can anyone offer me some advice please, I am due to join my husband in Dubai next summer with our children, aged 14 & 16. My daughter will join 6th form. I have heard that it is very hard to get a university grant back in the UK if you have not had 3 years continuous residency in the UK prior to starting university. My daughter would like to return to the UK at the end of Year 13, to attend uni. Has anybody else encountered this problem? Are there ways around it? Thankyou. edited by Tringlady on 26/11/2014
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