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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 22:13

Short story is I went to the British Embassy in Dubai to register my grandsons birth and was advised to follow a different procedure and complete Form MN1. This is because my son was abroad and not in the UK. This was a long form needing lots of information and this application is sent to the Home Office for processing. I assume that when my grandson gets British citizenship, then we have to complete and send the C2 passport application form to Dusseldorf. Given that there is a 120 day time limit, I am concerned that the Home Office may not take this into account - has anyone had to do this? what was the waiting period like?

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Latest post on 06 February 2011 - 15:03

Thank you to all for the trouble taken with research. You are right that BC can be passed down from the child's father under section 3 (2) and is an entitlement not discretionary. I wish the BE in Dubai were more clued up on this information. I've had a nightmare in trying to find out this information which I've had to do myself by calling the UKBA in London. When the birth registration comes through I will let you all know.

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 15:06

If mum or dad have full BC status baby 1 born overseas can have BC by descent [u'>automatically[/u'>, but wont be able to pass BC of any form automatically to thier kids unless they [u'>live in the UK[/u'> at some point for [u'>3 years [/u'>before giving birth themselves and [u'>register [/u'>the next generation birth. Baby 1 can have full BC if mum and dad [u'>register [/u'>their birth as opposed to just letting it be automatic by descent. So someone who is BC by descent that wants to pass on full BC to offspring BY REGISTRATION they need to have one of thier parents being a Full BC and they have to have lived in uk for 3 years at somepoint (as per the bullet points below). Alternatively mum or dad who are BC by descent, get yourself a flight to UK have your sprog and then its automatically Full BC anyway. for overseas births of full BCs parents it seems registration is the key to ensure full BC is carried forward. reading the website it seems a fair way to administer the nationality afterall if generation after generation are born away from the country, they are going to have more in common with the chosen country they settle in rather than good ole blighty. <em>edited by Blueskies on 02/02/2011</em>

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 14:38

But I am registered and I did pass it on. It says unable to pass on citizenship "automatically". So that means upon application, due to some other hidden criteria, you may be able to pass it on. I am only telling you what I was told by the lady who was in the British Consulate appliations bit at the time. She spent a lot of time explaining things to me. Can't remember her name but she has now unfortunately left as I tried to phone her again when my next child was due. <em>edited by Scaralex on 02/02/2011</em>

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 13:21

A child will have an entitlement to be registered under section 3(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 if: ■they were born outside the United Kingdom; or ■they were born after 21 May 2002 outside any of the British overseas territories; and ■they were born to parents, one or both of whom are British citizens by descent; and ■the parent who is British by descent was born to a parent (the child's grandparent) who was a British citizen otherwise than by descent (or would have been but for their death); and ■the parent who is British by descent lived in the United Kingdom at any time before the child's birth for a continuous period of three years*; and ■during the period they were living in the United Kingdom the parent was not absent for more than 270 days; and ■the application is made before the child's 18th birthday. * The requirement for the parent to have lived in the United Kingdom for a three year period does not apply if the child was born stateless. A child registered as a British citizen under this section will become a British citizen by descent. They will be [b'>unable[/b'> to pass British citizenship on automatically to any of their children born outside the United Kingdom. SOURCE:http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/britishcitizenship/eligibility/children/britishcitizen/bornabroad/ So, this means that the child does not get FULL British Citizenship, but a version.

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 13:14

Sorry Chick Chick but you are incorrect. I was born in South Africa but because my father was born in the UK we got UK passports when I was 11. Then because I could show I had lived in the UK for 20 years (mortgage documents, school reports etc etc) I was able to get full citizenship for my daughter after she was born in Dubai. Shezza'a husband sounds a similar case. BTW my form had 33 attachments to it showing my ties to the UK. Well if they issued your DD's passport immediatly then she did get full citizenship. If, on the otherhand, you had to register her as British and wait for the certificate to come through, then she will be of a different category (that means not British at birth). <em>edited by Chick Chick on 02/02/2011</em>

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 12:21

Sorry Chick Chick but you are incorrect. I was born in South Africa but because my father was born in the UK we got UK passports when I was 11. Then because I could show I had lived in the UK for 20 years (mortgage documents, school reports etc etc) I was able to get full citizenship for my daughter after she was born in Dubai. Shezza'a husband sounds a similar case. BTW my form had 33 attachments to it showing my ties to the UK.

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 10:52

Sorry, there was no one to ask for any help - the BE told me I must do it myself.

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 10:51

I did not mess up the form, all information needed was given and questions answered. If you have time take a look at the MN1 form. You just complete as per the form. No, the BE Dubai, did not offer any help on a temporary passport or anything, they told me they are just a courier service for the HO London. I felt like I was asking for something that I was not entitled to.

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 10:41

Shezza, I hope you did not mess up the form. You will need to apply for a temp passport for the baby. Did you ask advice from anyone regarding the form?

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 10:36

When I arrived to hand in the normal birth registration form at the BE Dubai, she told me I could not use this form as the baby's father was born outside the UK. She gave me an MN1 form (lots of pages) and asked for this to be completed and they (BE) would send off to the HOme Office, UK. I asked for guidance about the form filling and was refused. I should look on the website and fill it in myself. They offered no help at all. So the form was left with them with all supporting documents. The baby's father was born outside the UK, but lived here nearly all his life (25 years), worked, went to Uni, has a property and intends to 'come home' one day soon. What is the criteria that needs to be met? If your son was born overseas then he must have been resident in the UK for 3 years or he must have been born in a sovereign state or his father must have been working for the crown when your son was born.

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Latest post on 02 February 2011 - 10:32

When I arrived to hand in the normal birth registration form at the BE Dubai, she told me I could not use this form as the baby's father was born outside the UK. She gave me an MN1 form (lots of pages) and asked for this to be completed and they (BE) would send off to the HOme Office, UK. I asked for guidance about the form filling and was refused. I should look on the website and fill it in myself. They offered no help at all. So the form was left with them with all supporting documents. The baby's father was born outside the UK, but lived here nearly all his life (25 years), worked, went to Uni, has a property and intends to 'come home' one day soon. What is the criteria that needs to be met?

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 20:41

Nothing. I am a citizen by descent too (born out of the UK) but have a 'normal' passport. Hmm sorry to hijack the thread, i wondered if it was different as i just had a thought, i was born outside the UK but on British military soil in germany to british parents. i "think" i get the citizenship outright due to the crown service/ british soil (although that seems to be a myth on some websites) but it has me thinking because i dont intend to go back to the UK but wonder if i can pass on the nationality.... if decendant it will make it difficult..unless i am with a british guy....which i am not... all interesting and can get quite complicated..... good luck to those trying to register births etc with convoluted heritage.... Yes, you are safe.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 15:15

Nothing. I am a citizen by descent too (born out of the UK) but have a 'normal' passport. Hmm sorry to hijack the thread, i wondered if it was different as i just had a thought, i was born outside the UK but on British military soil in germany to british parents. i "think" i get the citizenship outright due to the crown service/ british soil (although that seems to be a myth on some websites) but it has me thinking because i dont intend to go back to the UK but wonder if i can pass on the nationality.... if decendant it will make it difficult..unless i am with a british guy....which i am not... all interesting and can get quite complicated..... good luck to those trying to register births etc with convoluted heritage....

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 14:54

Nothing. I am a citizen by descent too (born out of the UK) but have a 'normal' passport.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 14:22

To bump is to bring a thread up to the top of the list so people can see it. Swarovski doesn't know the answer but she is trying to help you. Yep as HereWeGo said I was just trying to help you, thanks HereWeGo :)

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 13:53

And yes, there really are more than one type of British Passport. edited by Scaralex on 01/02/2011 its not the passport thats different its the nationality.... there are 6 forms of British Nationality PS quick Question, if you get the Citizenship by Decent, what does it say in the passport? <em>edited by Blueskies on 01/02/2011</em>

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 12:54

I was told something different but we won't actually know until it comes to it. As DD and DS are only little, it is a long way off.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 11:38

Scaralex, if your child is a 'registered' BC, then they cannot pass it on. That is the end of the line, and they will need to deliver their children in the UK. I am 100% sure about this as my niece who is registered has been told her own baby will need to be born in the UK.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 11:31

We did meet the criteria too but had to get an Indian passport initially whilst sorting out all the back up documents needed for a British passport application (DH is Indian) Once we got all the paper work together we applied through the Home Office. It took 6 months and 2 months for our second, exactly like Chick Chick. The reason it took so long for the first is that I we applied for a full british passport (ie my kids can pass it on) versus the other type of british passport which does not mean you can automatically pass it on to your kids. And yes, there really are more than one type of British Passport. <em>edited by Scaralex on 01/02/2011</em>

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 11:18

Shezza to answer your question about time at the Home Office. 1st child it took 6 months, 2nd child was 2 months (I assume because I enclosed a copy of 1st childs registration certificate). ETA we did not meet the criteria, and were issued on compassionate grounds (a very long story), so it may be quicker for you if you meet all requirements. <em>edited by Chick Chick on 01/02/2011</em>

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 11:16

Shezza, did the embassy tell you that your grandson meets all criteria? It is fairly easy to know this. If your son was born overseas then he must have been resident in the UK for 3 years or he must have been born in a sovereign state or his father must have been working for the crown when your son was born. These criteria change your son's status.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 11:10

What's the 120 day time limit about, please? you have 120 days to get the visa for the baby entered into the passport, after this it's 100dhs fine per day!!

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 11:08

What's the 120 day time limit about, please?

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 11:04

Shezza. the embassy here can advise you on this. They normally issue a temporary passport (6months) whilst the baby is awaiting registration on citizenship.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 10:34

To bump is to bring a thread up to the top of the list so people can see it. Swarovski doesn't know the answer but she is trying to help you.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 10:33

it looks like it is not guaranteed that your grandson will get citizenship..... Will depend on whether your son / grandson meet the criteria.

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 10:24

swaravski, dont understand your response here

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Latest post on 01 February 2011 - 10:08

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