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Latest post on 19 December 2011 - 16:53

Now that DD is 2 we have had to buy her her own seat :( But now I dont know whether to take her car seat on the flight or just leave her in the plane seat?

I am thinking she will sleep better in the car seat but then there is the lugging it through the airport on my own with DD and hand luggage? We have a spare seat in the UK so dont really need it for that.

What are your experiences? We are flying Emirates non stop on an Dubai to UK flight.

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Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 02:37

"The problem with flying with people like Emirates is their safety isn't the greatest compared to British airlines." @ AirHostie.. this one actually made me LOL as I have taken my maxi cosi unauthorised capsule onboard BA to & from LHR twice and also once to SYD and have never even had a BA crew approach me, other than to ask me to do my seatbelt up or tell my how cute my DS was. "I've had a few bad flights with parents screaming at me for not letting them do this and that. It's quite draining!" Im wondering if you've travelled much as a passenger with an infant. Perhaps Im wrong and you have, however Ive been crew for years and was totally unaware of the plight of a passenger flying with an infant until I was one. Its not easy. Perhaps you will remember your comments when you are are next at 30,000FT with a wiggling little one thats not happy at all in the extension seatbelt and giggle too ;). I still think it would have to be a pretty impressive brace position to protect a large 1yr old let alone a 2yr old on your lap in a crash landing. I think Ill continue to take my chances with a car seat. @ Nosey Norah, had a lady on last week with a 3yr old in a Britax seat. He travelled very well in it, but just to note that it will fit in front of the seat on the ground during the flight if she wants to play grown ups. Then you could strap her into it for landing. I guess it depends on how much she likes being in it. Good luck with your travels :)

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Latest post on 24 December 2011 - 11:41

Thanks ladies DD is a little over 2 so has her own seat. She is a very active little girl but in her car seat she seems quite content so thought she might settle better on the plane in it and not have ants in her pants ;-) We have a brittax which I think is FFA aaproved but then if i take it and then she doesnt settle on wants to sit in a chair "like big girls" what do i then do with the car seat mid flight??? We fly quite regularly and have never taken one before but then she never sleeps very well?? Thanks for all your insights and advice ladies, Im not flying until mid Jan so have some more time to mull it over :)

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Latest post on 24 December 2011 - 01:35

I can tell you, on the rare occasions that we get car seats onboard we know exactly what we are looking for and will can can consult our onboard manuals if we need to double check. Can't pull the wool over our eyes! The basic element of a car seat is that it must have a 5 point harness. This is because it keeps the child strapped in correctly incase of a crash and the baby doesn't need to brace because it is held in by the straps. I personally think the best place for a child is on their parents lap. I always make sure parents tighten up the orange extension belts. Also everything comes down to that all importance brace position. In a crash if the baby is on the parents lap the parent can do a really effective brace position and protect the baby with their own body. The problem with flying with people like Emirates is their safety isn't the greatest compared to British airlines. We have really strict rules at my airline and there are no grey areas. It might be inconvenient to some passengers but its better to have someone who cares about your safety enough to make you tighten your baby's seatbelt or not allow your child to sleep on the floor than someone who doesn't know or care about the implications and put your child in danger. Phew.....sorry for the long winded response. I've had a few bad flights with parents screaming at me for not letting them do this and that. It's quite draining!

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Latest post on 23 December 2011 - 23:24

oh that's cool if you can get approved rear facing seats now; as far as I could find out there weren't any in my day. Kiwispiers, next time ask them for the basis on which they are saying that (and ask them for their names etc.....), ask to speak to the purser, whatever - entirely irrational of them.

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Latest post on 23 December 2011 - 23:06

technically, it depends on the car seat. If you have one which is FAA approved, you can use it during take off and landing. If it isn't, you can't - so eg the rear facing baby seats aren't; you can pop them on the seat and let your baby sit in it during flight, but not when the seatbelt signs are on. ....still depends on the airline. Even though we had a seat blocked, Qantas wouldn't let us sit DS in his maxi-cosi for ANY portion of the flight even though I said I would sit him on my lap for take-off and landing. Made no sense to me since I could (and did) lie him unbuckled on the empty seat itself instead.

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Latest post on 23 December 2011 - 22:08

true, extension belts are not brilliant. just didn't want anyone else to get the wrong impression (and you may find yourself with a crew who knows their stuff one of these trips!) Again, the crew on Emirates checked quite thoroughly last week. I have the Trunki Boostapaks for travelling and they aren't approved, as it turns out (which is surprising) so I was asked to remove them... and we were in a normal row of seats too.

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Latest post on 23 December 2011 - 10:44

maxi cosi capsule isn't 'approved' - but it doesn't matter, other than for take off/landing/etc. as per maxicosi website for infants: pebble (newer model) is approved, cabriofix (older model)is not airline appoved

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Latest post on 22 December 2011 - 22:47

true, extension belts are not brilliant. just didn't want anyone else to get the wrong impression (and you may find yourself with a crew who knows their stuff one of these trips!)

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Latest post on 22 December 2011 - 22:39

I realise it isnt approved, but I still use it for take off and landing. They are not approved for use in cars in Australia at all either. I personally still think my LO is safer in his capsule than using an extension belt though. Especially as most mothers do them up so loosely they wouldnt really stop their LO from flying forward in a crash landing. <em>edited by flydiver11 on 22/12/2011</em>

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Latest post on 22 December 2011 - 22:28

Emirates allows car seats as long as they are approved. And to be honest most of the crew are clueless how to check if it is, so even if it isnt, just say it is and you fly with it all the time if you are flying with them. Ive notice alot of parents bring on car seats and they say that there children sleep much better. I strap in my Maxi cosi capsule and will do the same with a car seat when my LO outgrows it. maxi cosi capsule isn't 'approved' - but it doesn't matter, other than for take off/landing/etc.

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Latest post on 22 December 2011 - 22:27

technically, it depends on the car seat. If you have one which is FAA approved, you can use it during take off and landing. If it isn't, you can't - so eg the rear facing baby seats aren't; you can pop them on the seat and let your baby sit in it during flight, but not when the seatbelt signs are on. I don't think there are that many seats around which are FAA approved, as they need to be safe for use with just a lap belt, but they do exist, even in Dubai - babyshop certainly used to have a couple of Britax seats which were ok

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Latest post on 22 December 2011 - 22:24

Emirates allows car seats as long as they are approved. And to be honest most of the crew are clueless how to check if it is, so even if it isnt, just say it is and you fly with it all the time if you are flying with them. Ive notice alot of parents bring on car seats and they say that there children sleep much better. I strap in my Maxi cosi capsule and will do the same with a car seat when my LO outgrows it.

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Latest post on 22 December 2011 - 22:12

yes thats true, it is clearly much safer than a lap belt (although I think for under 2's most airlines make you take the child out and put them on your lap for take-off and landing still, which negates the safety aspect somewhat) I haven't heard of an airline making you hold the baby during take-off and landing--but it wouldn't surprise me necessarily depending on the airline. I have flown mostly US carriers and they seemed to be more familiar with people taking a car seat on board. In the issue that I had with Etihad, they (the purser) did not believe that there was such a thing as a rear-facing seat, although she admitted that this was her first time dealing with a car seat on board (we were flying to Chicago!). Yes, Emirates are real sticklers for it and so if your child is classed as an infant, they do ask, unless they're approaching 2 and are of a size where they look a bit older.

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Latest post on 21 December 2011 - 17:16

yes thats true, it is clearly much safer than a lap belt (although I think for under 2's most airlines make you take the child out and put them on your lap for take-off and landing still, which negates the safety aspect somewhat) I haven't heard of an airline making you hold the baby during take-off and landing--but it wouldn't surprise me necessarily depending on the airline. I have flown mostly US carriers and they seemed to be more familiar with people taking a car seat on board. In the issue that I had with Etihad, they (the purser) did not believe that there was such a thing as a rear-facing seat, although she admitted that this was her first time dealing with a car seat on board (we were flying to Chicago!).

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Latest post on 21 December 2011 - 12:38

yes thats true, it is clearly much safer than a lap belt (although I think for under 2's most airlines make you take the child out and put them on your lap for take-off and landing still, which negates the safety aspect somewhat)

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Latest post on 21 December 2011 - 11:42

We've been flying with DD in a car seat since she was eight weeks (she's now 16 months). The main reason we do it is for safety reasons, but the huge benefit is that she is in a place that is comfortable and familiar. She sleeps well in it and it is easier to feed her, entertain her, and keep her contained! We are flying tonight and Mr. Carseat is going with us (and it is a big one)! But, we have a carseat/stroller combo so it makes transit at the airport a breeze! I will add another note on the "keeping her contained" part. I was flying with my two year old nephew a few years ago without a car seat. He was strapped in and quietly playing with a toy (the plane was about to taxi). I dozed off for about 10 minutes and someone taps me on the shoulder to inform me that the child is crawling under the seat as the plane is charging down the runway! He had wiggled free and was looking for the toy he dropped! The main issue was that there was no bottom strap to keep him from sliding from under the buckle. Of course, my fault for falling asleep, but that entire transatlantic flight I wanted to lock him in a closet! I only add this part to say that if you opt not for the car seat, keep an eye that they don't wiggle free during the critical times (take-off, landing, and turbulence). I flown several airlines (Etihad, Delta, United, Qatar, American) and only once did I have a problem (it was Etihad, and they do not allow REAR-FACING car seats). The rest were a breeze. Be sure to check with the airline first! BA has an unusual car seat policy, so I haven't flown with them in a while. Virgin is actually brilliant because they have car seats on board! (but be sure to make it clear at the time of booking that you need a car seat!). Good luck, HTH!

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Latest post on 21 December 2011 - 09:01

There is another merit to the carseat. Last time I flew DS was on my lap on the way over (6 hour flight to Europe) and did not sleep the whole time, wiggled, climbed moved from my lap to Daddy etc etc. On the waty back DH wasn't there and although I hadn't paid for a seat they blocked one for me at check-in. Qatar Airways actually have these car-seat type things that can be strapped into the plane seat. The difference was huge. DS (13months at the time), reacted as though he was in the car seat, he stayed in it the whole time, slept in it for 3 hours and happily watched baby-tv the rest of the time. The tray table did fold down for mealtime too (that was in the bassinet row). Your car-seat has to be airline approved and different airlines have different rules (Qantas for example wouldn't let us use the maxi-cosi because it wasn't approved in Australia). Def worth having on-board though

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Latest post on 20 December 2011 - 21:12

oh gosh, yes... worth every penny, imo... I started booking separate seats for my two from when they were 18 months onwards! The only merit of bringing a car-seat is so that kiddo is raised high enough to see the screen properly (you may chuckle, but until you've been there...), although you'd have to get him off it for meal-times because he'll be too high for the table otherwise. I took a trunki boostapak on our last flight - couldn't use it for take-off though, but very handy. If you're going to the UK though and want to get one, weather the flight and get one while you're there/ here... they're £30 (hmm... 180aed?!) from Selfridges of all places... and 490aed in Dubai! I would actually [i'>not[/i'> book the bassinet seat, partly because there are probably people who actually need the bassinet, but also because you can't start the entertainment going until you are in the air - which sometimes means 30-45 minutes of a very bored child. DD used to scream at the end of the flight from the moment we had to stow the screen to the moment, generally when we were taxi-ing, when she fell asleep. Everyone was very pleased. <em>edited by Hello.Again.Kitty on 20/12/2011</em>

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Latest post on 19 December 2011 - 17:44

Hi, I have booked a seat for DD when she was much younger (about a year old) and it's money well spent. I never had had her in the car seat on the plane. She doesnt sit still anyway, but it was great to have extra room for all paraphenelia. If you can book the seat with extra leg room (ie when basinets are) do this! It will give your little one floor space so she can play there. We usually fly with virgin and upgrade to premium - well worth it! Bon voyage!

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