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Equity release, good idea?

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EW GURU
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 08:46

We are in the lucky position here of owning a property which is worth a lot more than the outstanding mortgage on it. The bank has offered a lower interest rate, but only if we 'top up' and borrow more. I am tempted to do this for a number of reasons, 1, I could really do with some extra cash at this time of my life with kids, school fees etc, 2, I will lower the interest rate. I am also planning to invest the lump sum in a high interest capital guaranteed fund. 3. The extra amount isn't a lot and we will still be in major positive equity.
It all sounds positive and a sensible thing to do, why have so much value tied up in bricks and mortar when I could do with liquidity, but am I missing something? What is the down side? Any thoughts from you financial wizz kids out there?
Thanks.

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 17:10
"I honestly can't see the point of using my savings to pay off my mortgage (which i am in a position to do actually, just) then have no liquidity for emergencies" The rate you get for your savings will be lower than the rate you pay for your mortgage, hence it's better to reduce debt. As for "good debt", well I'm no expert on consumer banking having never worked in that sector but don't believe there is any such thing So I use up all my savings and pay off the house, then use the money I would be paying the mortgage with to do what? Start a new savings plan from scratch? Actually my savings have earned well due to the phenomenon known as compound interest, because they have been lying there untouched for a long time. If i start again from now it will take me ages to build them up again. Please feel free to correct me if I am missing something glaringly obvious!!! x Thank you for explaining compound interest to me...incredibly useful I guess that's supposed to be a nasty sarcastic little dig so I will ignore it sue63. I am sure you are not that mean in real life. Well perhaps I am that mean in real life, and what was supposed to be a tongue in cheek comment was never meant to be nasty. I work in the industry and assumed (not sure why!) that people know that. Apologies for any offence :)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 17:06
My father has worked is banking for over 40 years and he always says.. no debt is good debt.. full stop.. cash is king always I've lived for over 25 years and can safely say that rules and regulations always change and it is usually not in our benefit specially when it comes to owning property here. Good luck! Yes 'cash is king' I agree that's why I want some out of my house!!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 14:38
I think 'good debt' is a loan on something that is increasing in value, historically that has always been property. The last few years of crash have blown that theory out of the water though of course, but we are in an unusual position in that our property has bucked the trend and so far is continuing to go up in value (villa in a popular community), fingers crossed. My 2c worth - don't do it unless you have no other options. The 'fingers crossed' bit above should be the key!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 14:02
My father has worked is banking for over 40 years and he always says.. no debt is good debt.. full stop.. cash is king always I've lived for over 25 years and can safely say that rules and regulations always change and it is usually not in our benefit specially when it comes to owning property here. Good luck!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 13:20
from what I have seen af3 post--she has a pretty good grasp on what ifs, and the mortgage/banking industry. Especially having been in the housing market in FL--good grief thanks for the insight you have offered--i was stalking this thread!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 12:48
"I honestly can't see the point of using my savings to pay off my mortgage (which i am in a position to do actually, just) then have no liquidity for emergencies" The rate you get for your savings will be lower than the rate you pay for your mortgage, hence it's better to reduce debt. As for "good debt", well I'm no expert on consumer banking having never worked in that sector but don't believe there is any such thing So I use up all my savings and pay off the house, then use the money I would be paying the mortgage with to do what? Start a new savings plan from scratch? Actually my savings have earned well due to the phenomenon known as compound interest, because they have been lying there untouched for a long time. If i start again from now it will take me ages to build them up again. Please feel free to correct me if I am missing something glaringly obvious!!! x I just looked back in my older posts and saw this. I was just offering my opinion about whether you should refinance your home and pull cash out which is what you were deliberating in your OP. I was never suggesting you use your life savings to pay off your house! I also do not understand why you would borrow to pay for your tuition if you have the money in savings. The last poster made a good point. The interest can not be more than you would pay in a mortgage rate. I did offer a lot of "what ifs" just to get you thinking. Lets add one more. What if your mortgage lasts longer than the oil in this country? I do not care what anybody says about the importance of other industries here in the UAE. It ALL comes back to oil at the end of the day and has a huge impact on values of homes. If you were back home then take the gamble. In a foreign country where your rights are limited I would not. After 12 months of living expenses put aside, if you want to invest the rest of your money then great! Take the risk. I just don't agree that ever risking your primary residence (which is EXACTLY what you are doing in this case) for investment purposes. You are only digging the hole deeper by borrowing more money (equity) form your home. The bank did not tell you there is the requirement that you take more and "top up" just to be nice. ;) The ball is in their court and they are the winner in that game. As far as taking the money and running?? lol.... Your choice! I have a feeling though from your replies you have made up your mind and your application might be close if not already at the bank. I hope I am wrong and I wish you luck and success! I hope you can sell the house one day and make millions. I really do. :) edited by americanfamily3 on 15/03/2012 Thank you amf3 I have had the loan approved by the bank but I am having second thoughts based on some of the more useful opinions expressed here including yours. Thank you for taking the time to reply in a couteous manner x
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EW GURU
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 12:46
"I honestly can't see the point of using my savings to pay off my mortgage (which i am in a position to do actually, just) then have no liquidity for emergencies" The rate you get for your savings will be lower than the rate you pay for your mortgage, hence it's better to reduce debt. As for "good debt", well I'm no expert on consumer banking having never worked in that sector but don't believe there is any such thing So I use up all my savings and pay off the house, then use the money I would be paying the mortgage with to do what? Start a new savings plan from scratch? Actually my savings have earned well due to the phenomenon known as compound interest, because they have been lying there untouched for a long time. If i start again from now it will take me ages to build them up again. Please feel free to correct me if I am missing something glaringly obvious!!! x Thank you for explaining compound interest to me...incredibly useful I guess that's supposed to be a nasty sarcastic little dig so I will ignore it sue63. I am sure you are not that mean in real life.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 15 March 2012 - 12:42
"I honestly can't see the point of using my savings to pay off my mortgage (which i am in a position to do actually, just) then have no liquidity for emergencies" The rate you get for your savings will be lower than the rate you pay for your mortgage, hence it's better to reduce debt. As for "good debt", well I'm no expert on consumer banking having never worked in that sector but don't believe there is any such thing So I use up all my savings and pay off the house, then use the money I would be paying the mortgage with to do what? Start a new savings plan from scratch? Actually my savings have earned well due to the phenomenon known as compound interest, because they have been lying there untouched for a long time. If i start again from now it will take me ages to build them up again. Please feel free to correct me if I am missing something glaringly obvious!!! x Thank you for explaining compound interest to me...incredibly useful
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EW GURU
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 13:56
I think 'good debt' is a loan on something that is increasing in value, historically that has always been property. The last few years of crash have blown that theory out of the water though of course, but we are in an unusual position in that our property has bucked the trend and so far is continuing to go up in value (villa in a popular community), fingers crossed.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 13:51
"I honestly can't see the point of using my savings to pay off my mortgage (which i am in a position to do actually, just) then have no liquidity for emergencies" The rate you get for your savings will be lower than the rate you pay for your mortgage, hence it's better to reduce debt. As for "good debt", well I'm no expert on consumer banking having never worked in that sector but don't believe there is any such thing So I use up all my savings and pay off the house, then use the money I would be paying the mortgage with to do what? Start a new savings plan from scratch? Actually my savings have earned well due to the phenomenon known as compound interest, because they have been lying there untouched for a long time. If i start again from now it will take me ages to build them up again. Please feel free to correct me if I am missing something glaringly obvious!!! x
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 12:55
"I honestly can't see the point of using my savings to pay off my mortgage (which i am in a position to do actually, just) then have no liquidity for emergencies" The rate you get for your savings will be lower than the rate you pay for your mortgage, hence it's better to reduce debt. As for "good debt", well I'm no expert on consumer banking having never worked in that sector but don't believe there is any such thing
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EW GURU
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 12:43
Take the money and run... i would......... *Disclaimer - i am not an expert* :D 'like'
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 12:35
Take the money and run... i would......... *Disclaimer - i am not an expert* :D
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EW GURU
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 12:27
Thanks am3, if I took into consideration all your 'what ifs' the only answer is to sell the property now while the going is good and stash the money!! I agree with a lot of what you are saying, don't get me wrong, but if we all based investment decisions on the likelihood of future unemployment nobody anywhere would ever take out a loan for anything. I honestly can't see the point of using my savings to pay off my mortgage (which i am in a position to do actually, just) then have no liquidity for emergencies. edited by cushion on 06/03/2012 <em>edited by cushion on 06/03/2012</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 10:25
Thanks for replies. @americanfamily3, why do you suggest I pay off my home loan? Isn't a mortgage regarded as 'good debt' ie v low interest rate guaranteed against a property? Yes our property is in Dubai and currently valued at 3 times the outstanding mortgage on it including the top up.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 06 March 2012 - 09:54
Take proper legal advice on this. My DH is a lawyer who specialises in property (in the UK) and he has always refused to act for clients who want to do this as he says it's a huge con and leaves people owing many times more than they actually borrowed at the risk of losing ownership of their home. tread very carefully
 
 

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