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Maid crisis: ongoing talking back and attitude demonstrations

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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 20:42

Ok ladies, I need help... seems like I'm incapable of handling maids!!
They (we have our second maid from an agency) just keep talking back to me and demonstrating attitude. I mean, as long as I am super friendly and mega polite - no issues. If I am not - I'm getting cr*p. Latest incident:
Today, we took kids to a playground. My daughter was on swings, I was watching her. My 4 yrs old son was standing nearby, the maid was watching him. Next thing I see - my son gets hit by another swing! I jump to him, take him and tell her - why aren't you watching??, to which she responds, "I told him not to run". I take him to a bench, she comes up with my daughter, I tell her: "He is four years old, you can't just [i]tell[/i] him not to run, you should make sure these things don't happen!", to which she puts on a sulky face and responds in a raised voice: "What am I supposed to do?? Jump under the swings??"
I mean - seriously? WTF?? Was I agitated? Yes - my son just got hit by a swing on her watch! Does this justify that kind of answer and that kind of tone? Wouldn't "I'm so sorry, I hope he's ok!" be more appropriate?? At least that's what I would have said! Oh - and it was just yesterday when we had a long discussion of what is acceptable and what is not in terms of tone and attitude, just after another incident of same nature!
I need your advice here ladies as I am not sure what to do next. I can't send her back to the agency (we don't get any more replacements) and I don't really want to as she is - generally - brilliant with kids and keeps the house clean and tidy. Plus, I am sure the problem lies with me and not her because I had same issues with our first maid. I'm just not sure where it comes from, and why. My suspicion - not tough enough, too friendly and too generous! So yes, whatever I said before about being nice and friendly to your maid - I am ready to take it back...
Anyways, I have two tasks at hand now:
1/ stop this attitude
2/ make sure the actions I take don't affect the way she is dealing with the kids (I don't need her to be smiley with me but she must stay friendly with them).
How do I do this??

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 30 April 2020 - 02:38
Hi , I would like yo know how you managed your maid as I have a similar situation and she is threatening us and I want her to listen to what I say . Cos as far as i used to keep mum there was no issues but when I started pointing out stuff she is backfiring as if she hired me . The first incident was when I refused to throw her napkin covers which obvisiously a women must do herslf which she kept putting back for abt 3 times back in the basket now she is really getting on our nerves . I Told her not to wash my 1 yr old woth toulet sparyer and she keeps doing it , I told her that bcos the spray is strong and it will hit hard for my lil one a she is a baby girl . She keeps doing it and when we tell her not to she tells us oh i dont need to work for you and she will sue us back in pur country bcs we harrased her and all that stuff. We have paid her for all the months and kept her safe at pur home and still says this crap. I am really upset and need suggestions. She is saying she wants to go back and there are no flights now and we also want her to go back cos we are paying her to live thru hell please help
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 18:33
Thanks for the feedback ladies. Purple, you are very right.[b'> I think my problem is that I try to treat her exactly like I'd be treating an employee, hence the discussions instead of firm instructions... I did a lot of coaching/mentoring back when I was a boss and apply same style of communication now, but this clearly does not work. Good point about not leaving room for an answer![/b'> Mohandissa, she knows she can act decisively and I should probably re-itirate that, I see your point... But it's her tone of voice that I find absolutely unacceptable! I don't allow myself to speak to her in that way! She's been with us for a month by now so I hope it's not too late (*sigh*)... I definitely need to work on my way of communicating with her and also think I'll hold back on her allowance - give her the minimum specified in our agency contract as an advance and the rest in the end of the month if she continuously meets my expectations. Can't think of anything better to keep her motivated to do her job properly! and there you have it in a nutshell.........
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 21:11
They weren't honest with me as to why she had changed employers so many times and she made up stories about how she was mistreated and made to sleep under the dining table etc etc She had moved employers like 5 times which set off warning bells but i was at work working till 7pm at least every day, really needed the help and my husband runs his own business so has flex hours so thought that at least she wasn't 100 per cent alone all the time. It really mentally affected me and it was hard to trust anyone after that . My neighbors have had bad stories as well maids jumping out of windows at night , prostitution, getting pregnant. Its really best to keep them in line. I did it alone but also with my OH as a unit . The one we have now touchwood is part of our family , am very lucky but we have trained her a lot and she genuinely cares for my 5 yr old.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 21:03
Hi, i have had 2 maid experiences in Dubai. One i have had for 4 years , she's very reliable honest, has made mistakes but i explain things and between us we have a relationship with boundaries so she knows not to overstep the mark and what we expect from her. From the same agency i.e.; Explorer during her absence for one month ( she went back to the philipines) i had a nightmare maid. I was working the whole day and she was dirty, let my 3 year old son walk out of house onto the road as she was distracted and on phone, stole from me , gave me a lot of attitude. The theft came later , after the first incident of her not taking care of my son i sat her down and explained that it was NEVER to happen again. Unfortanately i had a bad apple to start with and eventually she ended up being banned, deported and jailed for theft. All i can say is don't be too kind, be firm, sit her down and explain the rules and tell her if this is going to work she is not to talk rudely and her main priority when you ask her is to pay attention to your kids. Noone has the right to judge and all of us try to be the best mums we can.[b'>Accidents will happen but I'm sure that as long as you feel that she's paying attention and shows you respects and remembers her boundaries you will be satisfied.[/b'> When they are rude , they need to know who is the boss by being firm. Trust me its not easy, it only comes with time, Im not an expert but this is my experience. Good luck. Thanks, that's exactly the point! And thanks for the advice. Can't believe your experience with the other agency maid though - I thought they were checking the background of all ladies they bring in who are supposed to work in a family down here!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 18:24
Hi, i have had 2 maid experiences in Dubai. One i have had for 4 years , she's very reliable honest, has made mistakes but i explain things and between us we have a relationship with boundaries so she knows not to overstep the mark and what we expect from her. From the same agency i.e.; Explorer during her absence for one month ( she went back to the philipines) i had a nightmare maid. I was working the whole day and she was dirty, let my 3 year old son walk out of house onto the road as she was distracted and on phone, stole from me , gave me a lot of attitude. The theft came later , after the first incident of her not taking care of my son i sat her down and explained that it was NEVER to happen again. Unfortanately i had a bad apple to start with and eventually she ended up being banned, deported and jailed for theft. All i can say is don't be too kind, be firm, sit her down and explain the rules and tell her if this is going to work she is not to talk rudely and her main priority when you ask her is to pay attention to your kids. Noone has the right to judge and all of us try to be the best mums we can.Accidents will happen but I'm sure that as long as you feel that she's paying attention and shows you respects and remembers her boundaries you will be satisfied. When they are rude , they need to know who is the boss by being firm. Trust me its not easy, it only comes with time, Im not an expert but this is my experience. Good luck.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 16:58
Plenty of mums manage to look after young children while out and about and have done so forever. A friend of mine had 2 year old twin boys and a 4 year old DD. She took them to the local park almost every day and yes, they ran off in different directions too. I looked after my 2 very young children unaided, it's not that difficult. Children will trip up, eat sand, fall off swings etc, these things happen. We can't protect kids from every little bump unfortunately. :) My Mum had 5 ( no family help) and Dad worked away and i dated a guy for 8 years who had custody of his twins As a youngster was always covered in bumps, bruises, nevermind scabs and as for impetigo lol ...People are so lucky they have help.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 16:33
Sometimes you just cant help a child having an accident at the park, and it may just be that she couldnt have done anything to stop the accident and her ' what do you want me to do, jump under the swing' was just her way of expressing she just couldnt have avoided the accident. People get into such pickles with maids and I'm sorry but from reading your posts - no wonder. But that said I'm feeling kind of sorry for your maid and I have a feeling it wont be long before you're looking for maid number 3. I wouldnt be able to cope being on the receiving end of how your posts come across. I think I would have replied to you the way the maid did - at least. You sound like hard work :) edited by DesertRose1958 on 31/10/2012 My thoughts as well.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 16:19
Thanks derien, I'll follow your suggestions :) And yes I agree DollyDuck and I should probably lower my expectations. I'm still struggling to justify her reaction though... Just threaten to send her back to the agency. She knows she has it better with you than there.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 16:14
Thanks derien, I'll follow your suggestions :) And yes I agree DollyDuck and I should probably lower my expectations. I'm still struggling to justify her reaction though...
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 14:28
It might be worth remembering that no one will look after YOUR children as well as you do. Very true.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 14:21
It might be worth remembering that no one will look after YOUR children as well as you do.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 14:20
i agree with "burying the (good practice HR management)" :)
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 14:15
The Russian - my maid used to take my DD and DS to the park on Saturday mornings to allow my DH and I to sleep in a little as she was off on Fridays and we worked long hours during the week. My maid once brought my DD back looking like a unicorn as she had fallen straight out of her trolley and onto her head. Obviously, she made up some stupid story about this and that but the bottomline was that she was either a) chatting to her friends and not watching the children or b) texting on her phone. I would have a very stern conversation about what happened with your maid and let her know that when she is on duty, she needs to watch them like a hawk! I would also suggest that you bury all the "Good Practice HR management " stuff and just stick to direct instructions and a discretionary bonus "from time to time" if you feel she has worked well. Based on experience and I am probably going to get shot down for this but they see all this reward and recognition stuff as a way to ask for more or emotionally blackmail you. She is at the end of the day a domestic worker and needs a clear set of rules imposed. <em>edited by derien on 01/11/2012</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 14:05
OK, I really didn't think I needed to provide THAT level of detail on how I look after my two children :) Maybe I phrased it wrong. Of course I can take care of my two kids on my own. This is what I've done for a long time before we got a full-time help and I continue doing it - I take them to parks, beach, play centers, mall etc etc on my own most of the times. I actually prefer that I as enjoy hanging out with them. So, what I meant to say is - yes I can watch them but I can't prevent accidents from happening because I cannot be in two places at the same time. So yes they occasionally do get hurt and they learn their lesson and all that. But that's really not the point here. The point is - I ask you to watch a child, just one child, so please make sure he stays safe. That's my requirement/expectation, other people may do it differently but that what I am asking you to do. Just in case, if the maid is with both children and one of them gets hurt, I never make a comment let alone a fuss out of it. But with one child it's different (for me), and I told you so. I expect you to stay focused on that child and not let him or her run under the swings. And then if it does happen, for sure I expect a different kind of response! ps: Thanks for sympathy mnmz & daza :)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 13:43
Completely agree JoyceB. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with taking your maid to the park, if it works for you and makes life easier then great, do it. However I just don't think it's right to say that you can't watch two small children at once. Of course you can. I also think that unless you only have one child who you watch like a hawk or you plan on having an adult accompany each child wherever you go for a long time then it's also useful for your children to learn at some point that they can't just run off and do whatever they please. Aside from that, the OP has come on here and admitted the problem lies with her and asked for advice on how she can improve things so I'm not sure why she is being criticised.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 13:25
come on people, yes accidents happen but the attitude is unecessary and definitely needs to stop...if she's too proud to be a nanny then why did she accept this job ? life is tough and very often we'll have to accept things and move on. if she cant then its her problem not yours. its not like we get rewarded in our jobs for being rude and not doing our jobs preoperly!
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 13:03
Plenty of mums manage to look after young children while out and about and have done so forever. A friend of mine had 2 year old twin boys and a 4 year old DD. She took them to the local park almost every day and yes, they ran off in different directions too. I looked after my 2 very young children unaided, it's not that difficult. Children will trip up, eat sand, fall off swings etc, these things happen. We can't protect kids from every little bump unfortunately. :)
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 12:14
She is a human being and cannot prevent accidents from happening, not like that anyway. So you were watching your daughter, but he was NEARBY? How can you not watch 2 kids at once? Is she a maid? Does she want to be a nanny? Does she get enough to eat? Do you think that education might play a role here? My maid is in year 8 with us, and is just about grasping it and realises what we want from her....she still makes us crazy, but now she can see my face turning and she does a sharp turn around.....it takes time, have patience......FFS I can't watch two small children at once, they are 2 and 4 years old and they tend to run in opposite directions. That's exactly why I am taking my maid to the playground - to help me keep them occupied, as their interests vary, and to help me watch them. I can, however, make sure no incidents happen to the one I am watching - I stay focused and I prevent them from falling off the swings, eating sand, running into other people etc. And she knows I expect same from her. She is a maid but she would like to be a nanny, like I said before, she used to be a teacher and she likes hanging out with kids. She gets enough to eat, yes. She also has a nice room with all amenities incl a fridge and a tv; she works 8 hours a day and she gets overtime paid if she babysits in the evenings.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 11:43
Ok ladies, I need help... seems like I'm incapable of [b'>[b'>handling[/b'>[/b'> maids!! They (we have our second maid from an agency) just keep talking back to me and demonstrating attitude. I mean, as long as I am super friendly and mega polite - no issues. If I am not - I'm getting cr*p. Latest incident: Today, [b'>we took kids[/b'> to a playground. My daughter was on swings, I was watching her. My 4 yrs old son was standing [b'>nearby[/b'>, the maid was [b'>watching[/b'> him. Next thing I see - my son gets hit by another swing! I jump to him, take him and tell her - why aren't you watching??, to which she responds, "I told him not to run". I take him to a bench, she comes up with my daughter, I tell her: "He is four years old, you can't just [i'>tell[/i'> him not to run, you should make sure these things don't happen!", to which she puts on a sulky face and responds in a raised voice: "[b'>What am I supposed to do[/b'>?? Jump under the swings??" I mean - seriously? WTF?? Was I agitated? Yes - my son just got hit by a swing on [b'>her watch[/b'>! Does this justify that kind of answer and that kind of tone? Wouldn't "[b'>I'm so sorry, I hope he's ok[/b'>!" be more appropriate?? At least that's what I would have said! Oh - and it was just yesterday when we had a long discussion of what is acceptable and what is not in terms of tone and attitude, just after another incident of same nature! I need your advice here ladies as I am not sure what to do next. I can't send her back to the agency (we don't get any more replacements) and I don't really want to as she is - generally - brilliant with kids and keeps the house clean and tidy. Plus, I am sure the [b'>problem lies with me[/b'> and not her because I had same issues with our first maid. I'm just not sure where it comes from, and why. My suspicion - [b'>not tough enough[/b'>, too friendly and too generous! So yes, whatever I said before about being nice and friendly to your maid - I am ready to take it back... Anyways, I have two tasks at hand now: 1/ stop this attitude 2/ make sure the actions I take don't affect the way she is dealing with the kids (I don't need her to be smiley with me but she must stay friendly with them). How do I do this?? She is a human being and cannot prevent accidents from happening, not like that anyway. So you were watching your daughter, but he was NEARBY? How can you not watch 2 kids at once? Is she a maid? Does she want to be a nanny? Does she get enough to eat? Do you think that education might play a role here? My maid is in year 8 with us, and is just about grasping it and realises what we want from her....she still makes us crazy, but now she can see my face turning and she does a sharp turn around.....it takes time, have patience......FFS
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 10:32
DR, from your posts, sounds like you have an extensive experience dealing with "staff" so it's always nice to have you share it. I am clearly doing something wrong which is why I am asking for advice. Unfortunately, your input is too generic to help either me or the poor maid you are feeling sorry for. I am not sure what you are referring to and maybe you are good in reading between the lines but I am not - I am happy to receive constructive critics but what you wrote down here sounds just plain rude. The smiley at the end of my post was supposed to indicate that I wasnt being rude. Apart from that I really cant add anything further to help you except to once again say - go back and read your posts because they're really is a lot to be learnt from them. Look at how you are coming across in them and perhaps think about how many times you attribute attitude problems to others. <em>edited by DesertRose1958 on 01/11/2012</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 09:28
DR, from your posts, sounds like you have an extensive experience dealing with "staff" so it's always nice to have you share it. I am clearly doing something wrong which is why I am asking for advice. Unfortunately, your input is too generic to help either me or the poor maid you are feeling sorry for. I am not sure what you are referring to and maybe you are good in reading between the lines but I am not - I am happy to receive constructive critics but what you wrote down here sounds just plain rude.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 31 October 2012 - 22:39
Sometimes you just cant help a child having an accident at the park, and it may just be that she couldnt have done anything to stop the accident and her ' what do you want me to do, jump under the swing' was just her way of expressing she just couldnt have avoided the accident. People get into such pickles with maids and I'm sorry but from reading your posts - no wonder. But that said I'm feeling kind of sorry for your maid and I have a feeling it wont be long before you're looking for maid number 3. I wouldnt be able to cope being on the receiving end of how your posts come across. I think I would have replied to you the way the maid did - at least. You sound like hard work :) <em>edited by DesertRose1958 on 31/10/2012</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 31 October 2012 - 15:21
An update: she came out of her room while I was making food, asked if we can talk and said she was sorry about what happened yesterday. Sweet. To which I said I appreciated the apology, still I need to make sure these things don't happen again - which is why I'm introducing a performance based award for the month to come. I.e. she will get a reduced weekly allowance (which is still higher than the minimum she's supposed to be getting) to be paid in the beginning of each of the next three weeks, and if I am satisfied with her performance/attitude she'll get the full balance afterwards. And if I am not, she'll keep getting the reduced amounts... I also specifically stated I expect no change in the way she's dealing with the children, if I see any different, she can forget about any extras whatsoever.. she didn't argue and seemed to have accepted it... let's see
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 31 October 2012 - 13:35
haha - we also had a "sorry" discussion (yes, another of those ones) and she told me that "Sorry" is a very big word in her culture and they don't use it "unless they'd made a big scene"... :\: Seemed odd to me but now I know she's not the only one! And I agree with you derien on the aspect of pride, in fact our maid is a very proud person, she also used to be a teacher before so it's a bit difficult for her to accept the fact that now she is just a maid in someone's house. This is part of the reason why I tend to discuss things with her, not just give instructions... doesn't work, apparently :( Natashak - I hear you, it sounds just like our first maid who I sent back to the agency as she was driving me crazy with her attitude. And when we interviewed our current maid I specifically said I do not tolerate that kind of talk/behavior, and I thought I made myself clear but apparently not as here it starts again! That's why I'm so frustrated, I can't believe I made all the same mistakes again as it would appear, feeling really stupid!
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 31 October 2012 - 12:18
wow ladies, if my kids refuse to apologise for something they go in time out and have a privilege removed until they do! If you do something wrong you must say sorry! This goes for everyone in my house , maid included (although I wouldn't put her in time out, lol). My maid broke a very precious light 2 months after starting her work with us, I couldn't have cared less about the light, what I cared about was the grumpy sulky face looking at the ceiling when I asked for an apology. I told her she could go pack her bags because frankly, if you cant apologise when you do something wrong then I don't want you here. Her eyes got as big as saucers and out came a very small sorry. Now she knows that sorry is important to me and in our culture (western culture I guess), If you bump in to someone you say sorry, if you are in the way, you say sorry and laugh and move, if you break something you say sorry, its really not a big deal - unless you don't say it! I say sorry to her if I need to, she says sorry to me if she needs to and thats that. I think the fact that she has now seen the kids in time out and being given lectures about saying sorry - she totally realises how important this is to us. If she had refused to say sorry on that day when she broke the light, or future incidents, she would not be working for me. Natashak, Im in shock, you need to get rid!! Shes acting like a teenager!
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 31 October 2012 - 09:34
I find that with Filipino maids, there is always a certain degree of "attitude" that comes with the hiring house help. They are very proud people and find it difficult to accept instructions ( not always but sometimes) Also, some of them have a very whining accent when thet speak which can be construed as "rudeness" but is not always intended to be. Mine never apologises either when she has done something wrong and she can also get very snappy at me. She is however very good with the kids.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 31 October 2012 - 09:17
I'm having a similar issue with my helper. She is fabulous in her actual job and efficiency but her attitude absolutely stinks. It is driving me nuts! She is a nanny first and she is great with my LO, she also drives and does groceries and is efficient with most jobs. BUT any time she does something wrong or forgets something and I tell her 'why did you do x when I told you to do y' ... There is no apology or even any acknowledgement. She literally says nothing and walks off. The other day, I actually said 'did you hear me? Do you understand what I'm saying? Because when you don't respond I don't know if you're listening'. And she actually started practically crying, she was rude to me and said I'm making her miserable and to leave er alone and she walked off to her bedroom and shut the door. And any time I try to talk to her to understand or explain her issues she is very defensive and rude. She shows no appreciation for her job or what we door her, she has a bad attitude any time I tell her something isn't right, she never says thank you or sorry. I tried ignoring it for a while as she is a great helper in general but now I actually don't want to even talk to her as she is like a black cloud floating through the apartment!!!!!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 31 October 2012 - 09:01
Thanks for the feedback ladies. Purple, you are very right. I think my problem is that I try to treat her exactly like I'd be treating an employee, hence the discussions instead of firm instructions... I did a lot of coaching/mentoring back when I was a boss and apply same style of communication now, but this clearly does not work. Good point about not leaving room for an answer! Mohandissa, she knows she can act decisively and I should probably re-itirate that, I see your point... But it's her tone of voice that I find absolutely unacceptable! I don't allow myself to speak to her in that way! She's been with us for a month by now so I hope it's not too late (*sigh*)... I definitely need to work on my way of communicating with her and also think I'll hold back on her allowance - give her the minimum specified in our agency contract as an advance and the rest in the end of the month if she continuously meets my expectations. Can't think of anything better to keep her motivated to do her job properly!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 23:52
In my experience, many maids find it hard to take control of a situation where firm and decisive action is required, as they are worried that you will think they are overstepping the mark if the child gets upset over her actions. Try to reassure her that she has your full support to act decisively where children's safety is concerned, even if this might mean upsetting the child or shouting (a warning). hth
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Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 22:58
You need to take control of the relationship. You are they employer, she is the employee. She is NOT your friend. You PAY her, so she needs to follow the guidelines that YOU set. By being (in your words) 'super friendly and mega polite' you are blurring the lines of what the relationship is supposed to be. When your son was hit by the swing, you asked her why. When you ask you get answers, instead, try to make it clear what you expect. Once you are calm (don't shout!). 'If I ask you to watch my child I expect you to be in charge of him and make sure he doesn't get hurt' . Don't give room for an answer. Instruct, don't have conversations. Conversations can come later, much much later. It might be to late already to fix the relationship you have now. If you have already had 'the talk' and its happening again. Mind, what was the talk like? A polite conversation or you making it clear what you expect from your employee? As for being generous, reel it it, reel it back. Give and give well if you want, but not if its not deserved! Would your husband get a bonus or an extra perk if he didn't preform well in the office? Edit to add: I see now that you said you had a 'discussion' yesterday about what was acceptable. This should not be a discussion, it should be you telling her what is expected of her in her job, if she has questions she can ask them at the end! Whatever you do now at the beginning is how the next year is going to be, only after a while it will be more relaxed. Start stricter then you intend to be in the end. <em>edited by Purple on 30/10/2012</em>
 
 

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