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Follow up to the Fast losing control thread

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 08:59

Sigh. Ok mostly good stuff.

We moved bedtime from 9pm to 7.30 pm gradually. Introduced a wind down routine and started letting her phase out the moring nap. Result: Wake up at 7 am, 30 min nap at 10.00ish, 1.5hr nap at 1.30ish and bed time routine starts at 6.45 with bath, bottle in dark room and a book (which she is now insisting on! yay!). Amazing effects of this change: She is calmer, can sit through a book (in fact loves looking at books now), can watch more than 2 mins of baby tv, sits in high chair, eats better, less crying all around.

I decided to let go of the potty issue as its just not important right now and she screams when we put her on it. Dont want her to develop a major aversion.

Problems:
She wakes up every 30 mins during naps and needs to be helped back to sleep! She wakes up every hour or two at night and wants to be rocked back to sleep. These are both relatively new things. She was a good sleeper (once a night) till a month ago and we said it was teething, but now it is a nightly routine. We are just exhausted and I pray every night that she will give us longer stretches BUT that is just not happening.

I want to pat and shush but she is too mobile for it, she will sit up, crawl into my lap if she has to. She is already on a bed. If i put her in her crib, I cant lay her back down as she CLINGS to me like a little monkey.

Thank you for all the advice ladies about bed time. You were all right. 9pm is too late for kids and deep down inside I knew it but was under pressure to keep it late due to DH hours (and of course MIL being the cow she is... tells DH who discusses everything with mommy... DD probably needs less sleep... grrr.. she is coming next week and I hope it is a peaceful trip).
I have an apt with Cecile to help, but I do know she advocates CIO and maybe it is the best thing in this scenario but I cant imagine DD crying for me and having to deal with the realization that I am not coming. She has already become super clingy as DH's travel schedule has gone into overdrive.

What do you ladies suggest?

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 15:26
DH is not so bad honestly. He tries but works mad hours and DD is a creature of habit so she finds it a little difficult to unwind with him (esp as when I ask him to wind her down, he just tries to play with her by whispering LOL). He does try some but they are both incredibly tempremental (DH and DD). He is pretty good with holding her and distracting her and playing with her in the morning so I can get a snooze. He just does not do nappies and bed times and to be honest DD doesnt let him either. For some reason she just wont allow him to do some of these things. My theory is that early on he was too scared with how tiny she was and she just never got used to it. Also MIL kept taking over from him (A LOT) and now she just does not see him as her primary caregiver. That is changing slowly as she becomes more and more aware of Daddy. He is also ALL THUMBS... he just is. He does try but should prob try harder. MIL: Am going to be tough this time. Determined. Esp cause I have the flu right now and am sleep deprived. Lethal combo. Ha ha.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 14:10
Tell him he should have thought of that when he had his night of fun! Or ask him how he thinks families survive where both parents work... goodness me, some people! Anyhow, you don't have to be passive-aggressive to deal with your MiL - if you don't want to be like her (good thing!), then don't. Be yourself - show [i'>your[/i'> strength. You'll be fine!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 13:53
Oh DH is a typical subcontinental male. He works so he should not do the night shift.... apparently. even on weekends? I don't know the full story, but I let my DD cry for that couple of minutes just before she nods off to bed.. it was difficult at first, but once I know that DD was in no harm and I was the one in control, it got easier. oh.. tell ur DH, he ain't the only husband in the world who works.. it is BOTH parents job. so..you start with him on weekends, say that you too need a break. with MIL, hhmm... just say yeah sure then walk off.. and close the door in her face? :D S
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 13:18
Will try and be firm with the MIL. The passive aggressive attitude just kills me. Also having been forced to live with her for a while, I do kinda just resent her interference now. But will be firm this time. HAK: I will not be a MIL like her(at least I hope not :)). I dont know how to be passive aggressive (wish I did, would probably get more of DH's support) . I always hoped we would be friends but I hate being told what to do and do not like even my own mother doing that. SIGH. I think I am too adamant. <em>edited by kcinthecity on 27/06/2011</em>
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 12:58
That's great news about the bedtime routine and subsequent easier life! As for getting them settled when they wake, I'm no fan of the hardcore versions of CIO, but have always taken a slightly softer stance that balances the "I'm here for you" with "enough already, I don't have all night"... I guess it follows the Baby Whisperer most closely. Again, 18 months (or is she 16 months) is a bit early for a big bed - just in terms of getting them to stay put! I moved DD to a big bed at that age to free up the cot in time for DS, but we had to have a stair-gate on her bedroom door to contain her and there were a good few evenings when she'd be wailing at the gate (obviously, we'd go to her, lead her back to bed, tell her it's time to sleep, tuck her in and leave)! Consistency is key, both in all care-giver's attitude and in the situation. Don't attempt to crack it while MiL is there, but at the same time, don't let your hard work in the routine take a step backwards. Be as firm as you need to be with MiL, but put her in her place and tell her in no uncertain terms what she cannot do. You could always couch this as "would you like to do her new bedtime routine this evening?" and involve her completely in it, but explain what's involved and when it finishes. Don't forget that in 20-odd years' time, you will probably be a MiL too, so get practising that stubbornness! ;)
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Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 11:06
yep wait until she leaves, personally I think it is best to indulge the in-laws as much as possible, if she wants nightshift for a week, let her do it ;) say, yes I feel so tired lately, it would be great to have some help. Best in-law advise I got was years ago when planning my wedding. Smile, nod at every suggestion and then just go and do whatever you originally planned, I have infuriated my MIL with this before but haven't had to waste my time with arguments and sulks. You could take this approach with DH too, if he isn't prepared to help, he really doesn't get to decide either, no need to try and justify your decisions to him.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 11:00
DH is useless in the MIL department. Been complaining to him for years abt her passive aggressive issues. He has outbursts a couple of times a year with her which she attributes to his temper and says I know him, he is my son and promptly ignores everything. Its a no win sitch for me. SIGH. I think this time I will say something. What will happen? Can she like me any less (probably but I guess I have to stand up for myself some time). Oh DH is a typical subcontinental male. He works so he should not do the night shift.... apparently. But I digress.... I will see Cecile and start putting what she suggests into action. I doubt I can do it before MIL comes so maybe will have to wait for another 3 weeks. I suppose if she wants to wake up with A, I should let her do it with a smile and a few stipulations. edited by kcinthecity on 27/06/2011
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 10:32
DH is useless in the MIL department. Been complaining to him for years abt her passive aggressive issues. He has outbursts a couple of times a year with her which she attributes to his temper and says I know him, he is my son and promptly ignores everything. Its a no win sitch for me. SIGH. I think this time I will say something. What will happen? Can she like me any less (probably but I guess I have to stand up for myself some time). Oh DH is a typical subcontinental male. He works so he should not do the night shift.... apparently. But I digress.... I will see Cecile and start putting what she suggests into action. I doubt I can do it before MIL comes so maybe will have to wait for another 3 weeks. I suppose if she wants to wake up with A, I should let her do it with a smile and a few stipulations. <em>edited by kcinthecity on 27/06/2011</em>
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Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 09:48
Lol, I have the opposite , I co-slept for a long time, with my MIL convinced I should let DS CIO in his own room from a few weeks old and "shocked" that he wasn't sleeping through by 2 months old despite him doing a 10 hour stretch. She does know when to shut her mouth though and only drops the odd comment which luckily DH ignores. Have a chat with DH before her visit, maybe with a few code words or signals if she is getting to you. Or put him on the night shift for a week, I guarantee he will change his tune about sleep training. :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 09:30
I know I cant do it with MIL in the house. SIGH. She will constantly comment on everything I do and insist the A sleeps best with her and ofcourse she does when there is someone next to her patting her every times she so much as moves. This convinces DH completely that MIL knows what she is doing. Ofcourse once she leaves then we are back to square one. If MIL had her way she would never leave.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 09:21
If you are going to do any sleep training, (CIO or one of the softer options) maybe don't do it while MIL in staying, I suspect you will find it stressful enough without another adult who might not be on board undermining things. I think if you were going baby-whisperer style (rather than CIO) your daughter is too old for pat-shush and you would use "pick-up, put down", this still involves some crying but not leaving your daughter to cry to sleep. Again, don't do it with MIL in the house ;)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 09:06
Definitely go see Cecile. She will work with you to get a routine that you are comfortable with and that will help your LO. Waking up so often sucks for you, but she's not getting enough sleep either. Good luck.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 27 June 2011 - 09:05
No real advice from me as this is all unchartered waters for us, but great to see huge improvements! I know my bub is far happier and sleeps solidly if she's in bed by 7pm, no later. Yeah, 9pm sounds awfully late for any baby/toddler to be going to bed. Give Cecile a go, many of my friends have had great success with her. Keep an open mind and it sounds like she will tailor whatever it is to your little one anyway. Good luck and keep us posted!
 
 

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