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Latest post on 03 June 2012 - 10:26

Thanks Roysie. My DH is hooked on chicken and eats it every day, as he buys those prepacked salads from Spinneys with chicken included, or asks me to cook chicken and I worry so much. Now I wonder if that EW poster visited Al Rawda farms and met the Austrian manager? And if the French corn fed chooks are better than Spinneys brazillian? I must say the super expensive (180 aed for four breasts) that I nearly bought from Organic were huge chicken breasts and cant imagine how they came from an little organic chicken that had no growth hormones?

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Latest post on 03 June 2012 - 10:01

I am reviving this thread for Hilsbils....:D

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Latest post on 17 April 2012 - 06:53

I am reviving this old thread as I passed by carrefour MOE and found french corn fed chicken on their shelves. So looks like it s not banned any more..

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:49

sure was and more to it than meets the eye I had woken up to it. I usually miss the juicy stuff :(

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:39

i *understood* that all meet sold on the open shelves HAD to be halal you cannot assume this anymore unless it's clearly tagged halal Didn't we recently have this conversation with AQ? oy.... Wassat "oy" for? as in, "oh vey" or "oh no" that thread was a bit of a mess, wasn't it??

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:33

Can still remember watching my great-uncle wringing the necks of turkeys for the Christmas season. Used to help him pluck them too! He had a smallholding just outside Glasgow. Back home just over a year now and I always buy free range chooks. "Like" a whole lot! I'll bet your uncle's turkeys tasted amazing too, as opposed to the mass-produced beige ones we have free access to every year now. Unfortunately I can't remember as I was only a kid at the time but my mum tells me that they were indeed amazing!! :)

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:31

It may be "a bit strong" but the fact is that there is no regulation so they can do and tell you whatever they think you want to hear. [b'>How much are their whole chickens? [/b'> That will tell you exactly how chemical-free they are. ;) If you do the farm tour, I'd be interested to hear your feedback. Bumpity bump. :D Does anyone know how much a whole chicken from this farm costs? 17 Dhs in Carrefour for 1 Kg. chicken yesterday.. OK...that actually gives me a teeny bit more faith in them but I have been away for a while and don't know how much the others are. When a whole chicken could be bought for 6dhs it was clear they were chemically enhanced. I have some hybrid chickens here...specifically bred (not by me!) to grow fast and produce eggs early and in great numbers. :( They were given to me as battery rejects. :( Now, they are 12 weeks old and have cost me a small fortune in feed alone, let alone constructing their hen house etc and they are not even close to table size. My purebred (old-fashioned) chooks are twice their age and the same size. If I was to butcher and sell them for 17dhs now ( at probably 550g each) I'd make a pretty serious financial loss on them. Of course, bulk feed for farms is a lot cheaper but factor in significant set-up costs and the sometimes astronomical business fees charged in the UAE, I have to wonder HOW they can sell a 1kg chicken for so little. The answer is possibly in in-humane (over crowded) living conditions and high doses of antibiotics so they don't all kill each other with disease in cramped conditions. There are also plenty of growth supplements that can be given that are not strictly hormones. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I'd love to know there is an ethical local producer. <em>edited by Green-ish on 29/03/2012</em>

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:31

i *understood* that all meet sold on the open shelves HAD to be halal you cannot assume this anymore unless it's clearly tagged halal Didn't we recently have this conversation with AQ? oy....

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:18

It may be "a bit strong" but the fact is that there is no regulation so they can do and tell you whatever they think you want to hear. [b'>How much are their whole chickens? [/b'> That will tell you exactly how chemical-free they are. ;) If you do the farm tour, I'd be interested to hear your feedback. Bumpity bump. :D Does anyone know how much a whole chicken from this farm costs? 17 Dhs in Carrefour for 1 Kg. chicken yesterday..

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:17

Can still remember watching my great-uncle wringing the necks of turkeys for the Christmas season. Used to help him pluck them too! He had a smallholding just outside Glasgow. Back home just over a year now and I always buy free range chooks. "Like" a whole lot! I'll bet your uncle's turkeys tasted amazing too, as opposed to the mass-produced beige ones we have free access to every year now.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:11

Can still remember watching my great-uncle wringing the necks of turkeys for the Christmas season. Used to help him pluck them too! He had a smallholding just outside Glasgow. Back home just over a year now and I always buy free range chooks.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:10

Somewhat strange, moving to a Muslim country and complaining about the food that meets local dietary requirements is it not? Rather like the people who move to the Eglish countryside and complain about cows moo'ing. Sometime I think that people seem to expect Dubai to be Surrey with sunshine! Well said!!

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:07

It may be "a bit strong" but the fact is that there is no regulation so they can do and tell you whatever they think you want to hear. [b'>How much are their whole chickens? [/b'> That will tell you exactly how chemical-free they are. ;) If you do the farm tour, I'd be interested to hear your feedback. Bumpity bump. :D Does anyone know how much a whole chicken from this farm costs?

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:05

Green-ish, that's interesting! I grew up eating meat that had been shot first (my father hunted) so I am not the best person to differentiate like you. jeanette, I would be very interested in your findings, do feel free to post after your visit :)

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:04

I shall bow out of this discussion now........it is turning direction. What direction is that? I think it's a great discussion...learn something new every day and all that. ;)

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:03

About chicken vs. fish, well actually if you think how the fish meet their ends, it is not pretty neither. Lots of stress to be sure I guess...

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:01

Greenish - I actually will do the farm visit of Al Rawdah (Live in Falcon City so very close to the farm) - Than at least I will have more peace in mind - I will let you know how it went :) Find out how they treat the hens there while you are on your visit:) I always wonder if the eggs here are as good as I think. They certainly look pretty nice and taste fine to me. I hope they are good indeed~~

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 12:00

Would rather eat a Halal slaughtered chicken than one that has been gassed as they do many places in Europe.. this tidbit may be of interest to you. Not sure how valid the study is, but food for thought along the lines which we are thinking: http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm again, I also agree with Green-ish on the subject. Something that should be considered, as well, in the terms of antibiotics/hormones in the meat that we eat--think about slaughter. Assuming the hormones in animals are present in the meat that we buy, well what about this? Think how much stress and fear an animal goes through when they are waiting their turn in a slaughterhouse. Cortisol is a hormone, after all, and a particularly nasty and harmful one. Wouldn't animals release this as well? Does it transfer to the meat that we eat, if we believe that artificial, growth-inducing hormones are transferred? If so, does cooking break down any of these? The thought of eating additional estrogen, or fear, stress, what-have-you is particularly unattractive to me--one of the reasons meat is a "treat" to me, and I prefer fish for a protein source, because I just feel better about it. Then comes the mercury levels, etc, associated with fish debate...lol Interesting article Beebers...and other food for thought. The basics of the halal method is exactly what I grew up watching on family sheep stations here in Aus. Way back when, the method was to shoot the beast first then slit the throat. Once, my cousin didn't shoot the animal first and everyone thought the meat later eaten tasted FAR better. He kept with the second method after that...

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:58

Greenish - I actually will do the farm visit of Al Rawdah (Live in Falcon City so very close to the farm) - Than at least I will have more peace in mind - I will let you know how it went :)

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:50

I shall bow out of this discussion now........it is turning direction.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:48

... In the Park and Shop in Tecom they have vegetarian Smokey Bacon Crisps, Chicken only Stock Cubes, and my favourite, Vegetarian sausages... I felt compelled to point out the "suitable for vegetarians" stickers on them.... Not everything in the Pork sections are actually Pork, just frowned upon. They will be put in the pork section even if they simply travelled in a shipping container with non-halal foods.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:45

but they are not in the pork section - how can they be on the regular shelves? because they are not pork that is why. I asked them in Spinneys DSO and they checked and confirmed they are non halal In the Park and Shop in Tecom they have vegetarian Smokey Bacon Crisps, Chicken only Stock Cubes, and my favourite, Vegetarian sausages... I felt compelled to point out the "suitable for vegetarians" stickers on them.... Not everything in the Pork sections are actually Pork, just frowned upon.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:45

by the way..anyone seen the ridiculous price for the UK chickens in Spinneys???? and they are not even halal...and they keep them on the shelves for 8 + days:\: but they are not in the pork section - how can they be on the regular shelves? Muncipality law is 3 days ....unless it has been frozen and defrosted.. well they are well known for selling things beyond the date. Once (maybe more for all I know) I have seen them open Mr Kipling cakes and sell them on the cake shelf individually since the box had an expired date on!! I would never touch their meat (it is rank) and they keep those French chickens on the shelves waaaaay longer than C4.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:45

Would rather eat a Halal slaughtered chicken than one that has been gassed as they do many places in Europe.. this tidbit may be of interest to you. Not sure how valid the study is, but food for thought along the lines which we are thinking: http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halal.htm again, I also agree with Green-ish on the subject. Something that should be considered, as well, in the terms of antibiotics/hormones in the meat that we eat--think about slaughter. Assuming the hormones in animals are present in the meat that we buy, well what about this? Think how much stress and fear an animal goes through when they are waiting their turn in a slaughterhouse. Cortisol is a hormone, after all, and a particularly nasty and harmful one. Wouldn't animals release this as well? Does it transfer to the meat that we eat, if we believe that artificial, growth-inducing hormones are transferred? If so, does cooking break down any of these? The thought of eating additional estrogen, or fear, stress, what-have-you is particularly unattractive to me--one of the reasons meat is a "treat" to me, and I prefer fish for a protein source, because I just feel better about it. Then comes the mercury levels, etc, associated with fish debate...lol

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:44

It may be "a bit strong" but the fact is that there is no regulation so they can do and tell you whatever they think you want to hear. How much are their whole chickens? That will tell you exactly how chemical-free they are. ;) If you do the farm tour, I'd be interested to hear your feedback.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:44

by the way..anyone seen the ridiculous price for the UK chickens in Spinneys???? and they are not even halal...and they keep them on the shelves for 8 + days:\: but they are not in the pork section - how can they be on the regular shelves? because they are not pork that is why. I asked them in Spinneys DSO and they checked and confirmed they are non halal BUT at Christmas the goose etc are in the pork section as they are not halal...... i *understood* that all meet sold on the open shelves HAD to be halal

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:43

You should try to give these guys a call, Its seems to be a "Modern" management - The production manager i spoke to was Austrian.. They even invited me out to their farm (might take them up on that). At least they seem trust worthy to me so I take the risk :) Just think that it is a bit strong to say that all local produced chicken are filled with hormones without actually knowing anything about it.... And again the Spinneys chicken are not local nor fresh...I have been to their farm. All looks ok to me, and I keep chickens, so feel somewhat qualified to comment.

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:43

by the way..anyone seen the ridiculous price for the UK chickens in Spinneys???? and they are not even halal...and they keep them on the shelves for 8 + days:\: but they are not in the pork section - how can they be on the regular shelves? Muncipality law is 3 days ....unless it has been frozen and defrosted..

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:42

by the way..anyone seen the ridiculous price for the UK chickens in Spinneys???? and they are not even halal...and they keep them on the shelves for 8 + days:\: but they are not in the pork section - how can they be on the regular shelves? because they are not pork that is why. I asked them in Spinneys DSO and they checked and confirmed they are non halal

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Latest post on 29 March 2012 - 11:40

You should try to give these guys a call, Its seems to be a "Modern" management - The production manager i spoke to was Austrian.. They even invited me out to their farm (might take them up on that). At least they seem trust worthy to me so I take the risk :) Just think that it is a bit strong to say that all local produced chicken are filled with hormones without actually knowing anything about it.... And again the Spinneys chicken are not local nor fresh...

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