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BANKS ARE CHEATING

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:04

I really need your advice ladies... here we go : today we decided to pay off our car loans...

the first bank we went to, told us that they have changed the interest rate 2 years ago (without informing us) from 3.99% flat to 4.3 % reducing.. The loans were for 6 years. In their understanding of reducing interest, all the instalments go towards the interests first. They are charging the whole interest for the 6 years first, so not much has contributed to the principle loan, although there are 3 more years.

The second bank didn't change the interest rate (thanks for that), but still saying that they have charged the interest first, so the principle remains...

I have found out that, according to the ruling of the Central Bank of UAE:
http://www.centralbank.ae/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i...

[b]2. The interest rate applicable to Personal Loans would be determined by each bank and disclosed to customers on the board mentioned in para (4) below (use of Flat rate is prohibited). Banks then would use the said rate to arrive at the interest amount as follows:

a - Interest amount =

Principal Amount X Interest rate X (Period of loan +1 (In Months ))

___________________________________________________________________________

2 X 100 X 12

For the purpose of this formula, the interest rate would be a "fixed" one for the whole period of the loan. Any changes would be applicable to new loans only. Banks must also deduct a constant installment amount at the end of each month (or three months, six months, 12 months, depending on each bank's preference), starting from the next month following the month in which the loan was given. The amount of installment will be governed by the formula:

Installment amount = Principal + Interest amount / Total No. of instalments

b - "Interest amount" for Personal Loans could alternatively be determined at the end of each month on a reducing balance basis using the following simple formula:

Interest amount = Balance of the loan at the beginning of the month x interest rate

________________________________________________________________

12 X 100

Banks then would take the "interest amount" deduct it from the agreed monthly installment amount and use the net amount to reduce the balance of the loan to make the new "balance of the loan at beginning of the month" to be used again for calculations at end of the next month.

For the purpose of this formula both interest rate and installment amount would be fixed for the whole period of the loan, otherwise, these would have to be agreed in a clearly drafted loan agreement.

If a borrower decides to prepay his personal loan, the bank must charge the applicable penalty on the balance outstanding, as a percentage (in the form of interest rate), and in case of (a), above, refund the interest for the remaining period of the loan, using the first formula.[b][/b][i][/i]

[b]SO according to this ruling, the bank can not do this... but the question is, how to proceed now..

Could you please give your advice??[/b]

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 11:13
you are right about CBI... and there is another one, and I am pretty sure, because of the hurry many people, just don't bother to fight with it, so the banks get away with it. <em>edited by angelica on 16/01/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 11:09
I know which bank you are talking about. We went through this last year end. It was CBI. We had to sell the car and found out they had changed the rate and the payback schedule without so much as a notification. Given the hurry that we were in, we ended up paying nearly 4k extra for a 1 year loan and got out. None of my friends will ever bank with them for sure, just that they will always have enough suckers they can cheat. ps: If we can openly crib about HSBC and others on this forum, I assume its ok to name a cheat as well. edited by flyglobal on 16/01/2011 <em>edited by flyglobal on 16/01/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 11:05
Good luck to everyone who has to deal with the banks.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 23:04
well i know its not the case with our bank in abu
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 22:34
yes it was. I am sure, and I have the schedule...
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 22:26
who says they are cheating you? are you saying that what you wrote at the beginning is what by law they should be doing by the central bank and isnt? they defo do things differently here. as i say people believe they are getting a good deal at 3.99 or whatever,but then you should actually read the contract.small print which states it because its not normally the apr rate The one we signed was 3.99 with a loan schedule where the interest rate was distributed evenly for every month.. but, they decided to change the interest rate we agreed and the interest type... The law says, change can only be made only on the new loans, and there is a max. amount you can deduct as interest from the instalment... no matter what they say, there still is a rule!!! r u sure it was 3.99 because that will not be the apr, that is always higher.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 22:24
who says they are cheating you? are you saying that what you wrote at the beginning is what by law they should be doing by the central bank and isnt? they defo do things differently here. as i say people believe they are getting a good deal at 3.99 or whatever,but then you should actually read the contract.small print which states it because its not normally the apr rate The one we signed was 3.99 with a loan schedule where the interest rate was distributed evenly for every month.. but, they decided to change the interest rate we agreed and the interest type... The law says, change can only be made only on the new loans, and there is a max. amount you can deduct as interest from the instalment... no matter what they say, there still is a rule!!!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 22:21
Thanks for the advice busybee...
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 21:42
who says they are cheating you? are you saying that what you wrote at the beginning is what by law they should be doing by the central bank and isnt? they defo do things differently here. as i say people believe they are getting a good deal at 3.99 or whatever,but then you should actually read the contract.small print which states it because its not normally the apr rate
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 21:00
To tell the truth, when we went to the bank. I didn't know the law, I was just using my common sense... when we bought the car, the bank said they will send us a copy of the contract, which they never did. We just had the loan schedule printed on plain paper. When we told them they can't change the interest rate, they said it is in the contract, so we asked them to show the contract, they told, it will take 10 - 15 days... then we asked them to give us a printout with the new interest rate showing how much of the instalment is going towards the interest and principal, they refused.. then when we showed the loan schedule in our hand, the manager said, how do I know you didn't print it... SO this should be a warning to all: They don't print the loan schedule on the official bank paper, and they never give a copy of the contract... so they know from day 1 that they will cheat you. Bet its LLoyds cos thats what we have
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:57
I will give the names of the banks tomorrow after I talk to a lawyer, but I bet, if you were to give a call to your bank now, and told them that you want to settle your loan, this is what you will get. I think it says in the contract that the bank can change the interest rate, but it does not say that it can use the instalment only for the interest first. And, more importantly the law overrules everything. If I wanted to die, and make a contract that you can kill me, does it mean the police will let you go after killing me? And I think if we know the law and the regulations, then we can at least try to get justice. I personally don't like accepting injustice, and let it go..
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:50
To tell the truth, when we went to the bank. I didn't know the law, I was just using my common sense... when we bought the car, the bank said they will send us a copy of the contract, which they never did. We just had the loan schedule printed on plain paper. When we told them they can't change the interest rate, they said it is in the contract, so we asked them to show the contract, they told, it will take 10 - 15 days... then we asked them to give us a printout with the new interest rate showing how much of the instalment is going towards the interest and principal, they refused.. then when we showed the loan schedule in our hand, the manager said, how do I know you didn't print it... SO this should be a warning to all: They don't print the loan schedule on the official bank paper, and they never give a copy of the contract... so they know from day 1 that they will cheat you.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:48
Thanks.. but they were not examples... it was the ruling over interest rate... the idea is, you pay x amount of interest for the time to use the money.. in other words.. you want to borrow 100 dollar.. so the banks says, I will charge you 5 dollars for every year, so times 6.... 30 dollars... when you want to repy in half way through, the law says, the bank cant charge 30 dollar for 3 years, so they should refund my 15 dollars... but the banks are so greedy, they want to charge me 10% for every year.. That is where the trouble comes. And if it is reducing type, there is a maximum that can be taken as the interest, so they can't, by law , use all the instalment towards the interest... that is how they have always done it. you have the rate but its not the apr so people think the banks loans are cheap like 4% when in fact they are nearly double that when they work it all out, it does say that. the longer you take out the loan the more you pay as they just divide out the rate x the months so you have already paid up the interest from day 1. they will also charge you to pay off the loan early and then they will charge you to provide a letter to say that the mortgage is paid off if its a car loan etc. thats the way its always been done in the years that i have lived here. which of course is totally different maybe to the rest of the world. at least nowadays they are getting away from writing out 36 post dated cheques for everything.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:48
For us all to be aware WHICH banks
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:46
Does the Central Bank have a facility for filing a complaint against the banks? Most do. However, I would also carefully check the loan papers that were signed at the time the loan was taken. You may find that your agreement allows the bank to act as it is - that's why it's important to read the fine print. You will also find that above your signature is usually a statement that reads " I have read and understand the terms and conditions of this agreement " or similar. Most people don't read the fine print. Hopefully yours is an exception and the complaint to the Central Bank yields results
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:43
Thanks.. but they were not examples... it was the ruling over interest rate... the idea is, you pay x amount of interest for the time to use the money.. in other words.. you want to borrow 100 dollar.. so the banks says, I will charge you 5 dollars for every year, so times 6.... 30 dollars... when you want to repy in half way through, the law says, the bank cant charge 30 dollar for 3 years, so they should refund my 15 dollars... but the banks are so greedy, they want to charge me 10% for every year.. That is where the trouble comes. And if it is reducing type, there is a maximum that can be taken as the interest, so they can't, by law , use all the instalment towards the interest... Didx you have a discussion at the banks about this ?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:41
Thanks.. but they were not examples... it was the ruling over interest rate... the idea is, you pay x amount of interest for the time to use the money.. in other words.. you want to borrow 100 dollar.. so the banks says, I will charge you 5 dollars for every year, so times 6.... 30 dollars... when you want to repy in half way through, the law says, the bank cant charge 30 dollar for 3 years, so they should refund my 15 dollars... but the banks are so greedy, they want to charge me 10% for every year.. That is where the trouble comes. And if it is reducing type, there is a maximum that can be taken as the interest, so they can't, by law , use all the instalment towards the interest...
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:34
I really need your advice ladies... here we go : today we decided to pay off our car loans... the first bank we went to, told us that they have changed the interest rate 2 years ago (without informing us) from 3.99% flat to 4.3 % reducing.. The loans were for 6 years. In their understanding of reducing interest, all the instalments go towards the interests first. They are charging the whole interest for the 6 years first, so not much has contributed to the principle loan, although there are 3 more years. The second bank didn't change the interest rate (thanks for that), but still saying that they have charged the interest first, so the principle remains... I have found out that, according to the ruling of the Central Bank of UAE: http://www.centralbank.ae/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=108&Itemid=96 [b'>2. The interest rate applicable to Personal Loans would be determined by each bank and disclosed to customers on the board mentioned in para (4) below (use of Flat rate is prohibited). Banks then would use the said rate to arrive at the interest amount as follows: a - Interest amount = Principal Amount X Interest rate X (Period of loan +1 (In Months )) ___________________________________________________________________________ 2 X 100 X 12 For the purpose of this formula, the interest rate would be a "fixed" one for the whole period of the loan. Any changes would be applicable to new loans only. Banks must also deduct a constant installment amount at the end of each month (or three months, six months, 12 months, depending on each bank's preference), starting from the next month following the month in which the loan was given. The amount of installment will be governed by the formula: Installment amount = Principal + Interest amount / Total No. of instalments b - "Interest amount" for Personal Loans could alternatively be determined at the end of each month on a reducing balance basis using the following simple formula: Interest amount = Balance of the loan at the beginning of the month x interest rate ________________________________________________________________ 12 X 100 Banks then would take the "interest amount" deduct it from the agreed monthly installment amount and use the net amount to reduce the balance of the loan to make the new "balance of the loan at beginning of the month" to be used again for calculations at end of the next month. For the purpose of this formula both interest rate and installment amount would be fixed for the whole period of the loan, otherwise, these would have to be agreed in a clearly drafted loan agreement. If a borrower decides to prepay his personal loan, the bank must charge the applicable penalty on the balance outstanding, as a percentage (in the form of interest rate), and in case of (a), above, refund the interest for the remaining period of the loan, using the first formula.[b'>[/b'>[i'>[/i'> [b'>SO according to this ruling, the bank can not do this... but the question is, how to proceed now.. Could you please give your advice??[/b'> ok havent read all your examples, but in the first instance, the banks work out your payment per month by the months of your loan so 12 x 6 years etc. so the longer the loan the more you pay. and because of this there is no point in paying off the loan early. and when you do as some people have to they charge you a premium for it. having a loan over 6 years is a long time too.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:29
Thanks.. that's what I thought... they think they fool everyone and it really disturbs me... I think pretty much all the banks do the same thing.. They say they have the contract, but the fact is, law overrules the contract.. I believe at least..
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 20:21
Go and talk to your relationship manager, and discuss this - if unsatidfactory talk to his manager, if still not satisfactory take to Central Bank. Good luck :) Which bank out of interest?
 
 

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