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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 18:55

LT horses race all over the world in all sorts of temperatures, you know as well as I that the first weekend of April in Liverpool can be 2 foot of snow, heavy rain or occasionally warm. Really they can cope with the heat, horses come in from all over the world to race in Dubai and they come from - 10 to 35 degrees and race within the week. The vet teams and care on stand by are phenomenal and this aspect is being played by the media, to what end i don't know. TB are not draught horses and can cope and adapt with many different weather conditions. 30 horses have died in the last 10 years at the Cheltenham festival, but the media has not spun the spin it does on the GN. Racing is a hard sport on everyone in it, horses die, people die. If i told you some figures for endurance races you would be really shocked, yet no media dares to critique that. Where do we start and where do we end? Do you really wish the UK to become even more of a namby pamby state where no one can compete in anything or traditional sports are stopped? edited by Sticky Wicket on 10/04/2011 No, I don't and you should know better than to ask such a stupid question. But, you can't compare Cheltenham's track record.......with that of just one race...........which by anyone's standard is overcrowded, with jumps not fit for such a full field. And, these are not racehorses , they are just really posh hunters. And as such, not used to flying round the world in a/c planes. For goodness sake, we've all seen Nationals run in the snow. They are winter horses. This is not the flat. Believe it or not I really, really, really would like to see our traditional sports preserved, but not turned into TV spectaculars and showcases for the get yer t@ts out for the lads brigade.

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 18:52

Didn't they ban fox hunting in the UK?

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 18:27

LT horses race all over the world in all sorts of temperatures, you know as well as I that the first weekend of April in Liverpool can be 2 foot of snow, heavy rain or occasionally warm. Really they can cope with the heat, horses come in from all over the world to race in Dubai and they come from - 10 to 35 degrees and race within the week. The vet teams and care on stand by are phenomenal and this aspect is being played by the media, to what end i don't know. TB are not draught horses and can cope and adapt with many different weather conditions. 30 horses have died in the last 10 years at the Cheltenham festival, but the media has not spun the spin it does on the GN. Racing is a hard sport on everyone in it, horses die, people die. If i told you some figures for endurance races you would be really shocked, yet no media dares to critique that. Where do we start and where do we end? Do you really wish the UK to become even more of a namby pamby state where no one can compete in anything or traditional sports are stopped? <em>edited by Sticky Wicket on 10/04/2011</em>

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 18:13

Lt what is shamefull the fact the vets treated horses post race, like they do everywhere in the world post race? How does anyone think horses race here in 35 degrees heat? Or complete endurance races? Where is all the outrage over endurance? This is media propagated over one race a year, to which no one can be to blame for the weather. As for RSPCA, what have they got to do with it. And to clairfy the oxygen statements, when competing at this level the very best care is organised for the horses and that includes the use of oxygen to those horses who may overheat if it is a warm day. There is oxygen at the last fence and close to the pull-up area. The Jockey Club vets keep a database of horses that are known to need oxygen or need cooling off at the end of races and they give prior warning of any high-risk horses that day and then we can task one of the vets with taking particular care of that horse as it pulls up. Just the same as for human athletes at any sport at this level or any other equine competition held in modern countries. edited by Sticky Wicket on 10/04/2011 Read my post SW. These are horses bred to run in cold weather. Google the history. And where does the RSPCA come in? The carnage every year, that's where. It could still be an amazing race, with a smaller field, and less fiercesome jumps. Cheltenham manages quite well, doesn't it?

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 17:38

Lt what is shamefull the fact the vets treated horses post race, like they do everywhere in the world post race? How does anyone think horses race here in 35 degrees heat? Or complete endurance races? Where is all the outrage over endurance? This is media propagated over one race a year, to which no one can be to blame for the weather. As for RSPCA, what have they got to do with it. And to clairfy the oxygen statements, when competing at this level the very best care is organised for the horses and that includes the use of oxygen to those horses who may overheat if it is a warm day. There is oxygen at the last fence and close to the pull-up area. The Jockey Club vets keep a database of horses that are known to need oxygen or need cooling off at the end of races and they give prior warning of any high-risk horses that day, one of the vets will be allocated with taking particular care of that horse as it pulls up. Just the same as for human athletes at any sport at this level or any other equine competition held in modern countries. edited by Sticky Wicket on 10/04/2011 <em>edited by Sticky Wicket on 10/04/2011</em>

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 17:35

SM did you remove your post? Why?

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 17:27

I have been horseriding since I was 8 years old and had my own horse from the age of 11 to 18 years old - so I believe I am a "horsey" person. I HATE the Grand National. I am aware that horses can die in all circumstances and that some of them are tragic accidents, one of my close friends and her horse were killed whilst merely walking down a country lane. Do I think all forms of events (dressage, show jumping, eventing, horse racing, etc) should be banned? NO. However, do I think that more can be done to make the Grand National safer than it currently is and reduce the number of deaths? YES! I personally don't like steeplechase forms of horse racing because the odds of fatalities occurring is higher than a flat race and I therefore choose to not watch the race and never will unless they improve the conditions. When the weather has been dry in the UK (which for the last 2 years in the lead up to the race it has) it is one of the fastest steeplechases due to the condition of the track and this in turn leads to even more accidents occuring. It is notorious for having some of the most dangerous fences on the race circuit and it is time to improve these conditions. Some very good points here... but steeplechasing per se is no more dangerous than hunting..which is why steeplechasing evolved. And rarely did horses die steeplechasing, or in point to points..........but the Grand has become a travesty, far too many horses in a crowded field and dangerous jumps. And, it is a winter sport...these horses are geared to run in the cold....not in weather balmy enough for the cream of Merseyside to trot out their t@ts........ No wonder the winner, and several other horses needed oxygen. Where is the RSPCA in all this? A shameful silence. <em>edited by Livelytrish on 10/04/2011</em>

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 15:38

*ignore* I took out my definition describing flogging a dead horse as verbose diatribe ergo the reminder was not for you :) Ok,

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 15:37

Honestly they are not whipped as you would perceive, no mark is ever allowed to be left. It's more a come on waving by the side of them than an actually hitting. So why is the chap in trouble then for whipping his horse too much??!! (sorry "waving his whip") ... ? Because for the protection of horses there are strict rules in International racing about whip use, bumping, over riding or any form of abuse that may be seen. There are teams of profesionals who watch every move a horse makes from when it arrives at the track to when it leaves. Horses will also undergo pre race blood testing and post race testing for drugs that could be masking any pain issues or encouraging it to run faster than it would naturally. Whips are soft-cushion with a less severe popper at the end that will give a strike less of a sting, they are short and actually pretty useless bar encouraging a horse to move on. The practice of hitting a horse during races is also been strictly regulated. The jockey must not strike a horse more than three times in a row and must allow the horse at least two strides before using the whip again. In racing, a whip is used to steer a horse or get its attention. It can be used on a horse's shoulder or hindquarters, but no lower. Here are the rules if you don't believe me as to all the regulations. (shortened version) http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/media/publications_and_reports/Notes-for-visiting-jockeys.pdf <em>edited by Sticky Wicket on 10/04/2011</em>

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 15:25

*ignore* I took out my definition describing flogging a dead horse as verbose diatribe ergo the reminder was not for you :)

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 15:18

Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 15:16

Horse die be it on the road, in the field or popping over a fence, should it be stopped to apease a population of people who dislike it? Maybe it should to stopped to appease the horses....who dislike it?... But who is saying they dislike it? Seriously you think a horse would compete in the GN if they disliked it? You think there is some form of magic trainers can use to get a horse to perform to this level and have a chance of winning if the horse did not want to do it? Read some books about some of the great NH horses, as soon as they get to the racetrack they are on their toes, Desert Orchid was a complete nightmare in his retirement when he went to racetracks to parade he was ready to go and used to pull the arms off his jockeys! That's not a horse who did not enjoy it! Horses for courses, those who won't don't. Putting human emotion into animals can be very dangerous, understanding animals is wiser. How's the lamby doing on the stove?

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 15:08

I have been horseriding since I was 8 years old and had my own horse from the age of 11 to 18 years old - so I believe I am a "horsey" person. I HATE the Grand National. I am aware that horses can die in all circumstances and that some of them are tragic accidents, one of my close friends and her horse were killed whilst merely walking down a country lane. Do I think all forms of events (dressage, show jumping, eventing, horse racing, etc) should be banned? NO. However, do I think that more can be done to make the Grand National safer than it currently is and reduce the number of deaths? YES! I personally don't like steeplechase forms of horse racing because the odds of fatalities occuring is higher than a flat race and I therefore choose to not watch the race and never will unless they improve the conditions. When the weather has been dry in the UK (which for the last 2 years in the lead up to the race it has) it is one of the fastest steeplechases due to the condition of the track and this in turn leads to even more accidents occuring. It is notorious for having some of the most dangerous fences on the race circuit and it is time to improve these conditions. Respecting your post but horses die in all the above mentioned sports and those sports are using horses for human gain/enjoyment which was what this thread was aiming towards. At the races more deaths occur at NH races but if you looked at wastage flat is higher. Horse die be it on the road, in the field or popping over a fence, should it be stopped to apease a population of people who dislike it? To add based on posts like Snitch's? <em>edited by Sticky Wicket on 10/04/2011</em>

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 15:02

I have been horseriding since I was 8 years old and had my own horse from the age of 11 to 18 years old - so I believe I am a "horsey" person. I HATE the Grand National. I am aware that horses can die in all circumstances and that some of them are tragic accidents, one of my close friends and her horse were killed whilst merely walking down a country lane. Do I think all forms of events (dressage, show jumping, eventing, horse racing, etc) should be banned? NO. However, do I think that more can be done to make the Grand National safer than it currently is and reduce the number of deaths? YES! I personally don't like steeplechase forms of horse racing because the odds of fatalities occuring is higher than a flat race and I therefore choose to not watch the race and never will unless they improve the conditions. When the weather has been dry in the UK (which for the last 2 years in the lead up to the race it has) it is one of the fastest steeplechases due to the condition of the track and this in turn leads to even more accidents occuring. It is notorious for having some of the most dangerous fences on the race circuit and it is time to improve these conditions.

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 14:58

THe Grand National is barbarism, by definition - killing animals for sport always is and always will be. The question is whether you admit this or not. Admitting it is more honest - you take part in, and enjoy, an activity no more or less barbaric than bear baiting, cock fighting, camel fighting and fox hunting. But this admission still doesnt make it any less barbaric. Not admitting that this is barbaric is both palpable nonsense and self-delusional. I think blood sports - which the National and a lot of other racing is, by default - are among the ultimate delineators of an uincivilised society. There's plenty of exciting sports involving humans we can support, including ones where we get killed, hurt and maim ourselves. The National is not a blood sport, nor is it designed to kill or intended to do so! It has no place in being compared to cock fighting, camel fighting or bear baiting. This is complete and utter propaganda that is simply not true.

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 14:40

THe Grand National is barbarism, by definition - killing animals for sport always is and always will be. The question is whether you admit this or not. Admitting it is more honest - you take part in, and enjoy, an activity no more or less barbaric than bear baiting, cock fighting, camel fighting and fox hunting. But this admission still doesnt make it any less barbaric. Not admitting that this is barbaric is both palpable nonsense and self-delusional. I think blood sports - which the National and a lot of other racing is, by default - are among the ultimate delineators of an uincivilised society. There's plenty of exciting sports involving humans we can support, including ones where we get killed, hurt and maim ourselves.

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 14:25

Oh come on, SW and SM, please kiss and make up! Nah, Shellly you are a horsey gal, what is your perspective? I don't know much about this Grand National you all speak of... but sad to say I have witnessed a horse being put down many years ago. We were at Pony Club and one of the horses broke its leg. Was so sad. Am I against Pony Club as a result? No. It was just a tragic event. Can't compare it to horse racing, but should this horse have been locked up it its paddock grazing away instead of attending Pony Club? No, accidents do happen.

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 14:17

SW my whole notion of you has changed, I now see you in a barbour coat, wellies, with rosy cheeks and with a home made apple pie under your robust arm. Cannot get this image out of my head! LOL that's about bang on MB, but don't forget the beaties and black labs under the feet as well!

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 14:13

Oh come on, SW and SM, please kiss and make up! Nah, Shellly you are a horsey gal, what is your perspective?

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 14:11

Oh come on, SW and SM, please kiss and make up!

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Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com [i'>Repeating the same verbose diatribe punctuated with sarcastic but ineffective personal attacks.[/i'> ref: CT.com Of course ones target audience has to have an open mind and know more about the issue than *I just don't like it* for an intellectual debate to happen with some intelligence. Should have known better that the EW audience is so narrow minded and better off with topics like maids, car seats and ridicule of topics they can't comprehend. Touche! To be honest SW's, "aarghument" has more twists and turns in it than a twisty turny thing. What a shame as that and the attitude does her "side" no favours. People are less inclined to listen to a ranter who insults their audience. NO SM, anyone who understands the topic will understand my comments, to ridicule and mock as you continue to do shows your failings not mine. -Ha ha you are SUCH a joke! :-P have you ever thought about seeing anyone about your "feelings" ? That's not very nice now is it?

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Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com [i'>Repeating the same verbose diatribe punctuated with sarcastic but ineffective personal attacks.[/i'> ref: CT.com Of course ones target audience has to have an open mind and know more about the issue than *I just don't like it* for an intellectual debate to happen with some intelligence. Should have known better that the EW audience is so narrow minded and better off with topics like maids, car seats and ridicule of topics they can't comprehend. Touche! To be honest SW's, "aarghument" has more twists and turns in it than a twisty turny thing. What a shame as that and the attitude does her "side" no favours. People are less inclined to listen to a ranter who insults their audience. NO SM, anyone who understands the topic will understand my comments, to ridicule and mock as you continue to do shows your failings not mine. -Ha ha you are SUCH a joke! :-P have you ever thought about seeing anyone about your "feelings" ?

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Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com [i'>Repeating the same verbose diatribe punctuated with sarcastic but ineffective personal attacks.[/i'> ref: CT.com Of course ones target audience has to have an open mind and know more about the issue than *I just don't like it* for an intellectual debate to happen with some intelligence. Should have known better that the EW audience is so narrow minded and better off with topics like maids, car seats and ridicule of topics they can't comprehend. Touche! feel free to go find yourself a more intelligent audience better suited to your style of intellectual debate :D

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Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com [i'>Repeating the same verbose diatribe punctuated with sarcastic but ineffective personal attacks.[/i'> ref: CT.com Of course ones target audience has to have an open mind and know more about the issue than *I just don't like it* for an intellectual debate to happen with some intelligence. Should have known better that the EW audience is so narrow minded and better off with topics like maids, car seats and ridicule of topics they can't comprehend. Touche! To be honest SW's, "aarghument" has more twists and turns in it than a twisty turny thing. What a shame as that and the attitude does her "side" no favours. People are less inclined to listen to a ranter who insults their audience. NO SM, anyone who understands the topic will understand my comments, to ridicule and mock as you continue to do shows your failings not mine.

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Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com [i'>Repeating the same verbose diatribe punctuated with sarcastic but ineffective personal attacks.[/i'> ref: CT.com Of course ones target audience has to have an open mind and know more about the issue than *I just don't like it* for an intellectual debate to happen with some intelligence. Should have known better that the EW audience is so narrow minded and better off with topics like maids, car seats and ridicule of topics they can't comprehend. Touche! To be honest SW's, "aarghument" has more twists and turns in it than a twisty turny thing. What a shame as that and the attitude does her "side" no favours. People are less inclined to listen to a ranter who insults their audience.

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 13:27

Amen, CycloneT! :D

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Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com [i'>Repeating the same verbose diatribe punctuated with sarcastic but ineffective personal attacks.[/i'> ref: CT.com Of course ones target audience has to have an open mind and know more about the issue than *I just don't like it* for an intellectual debate to happen with some intelligence. Should have known better that the EW audience is so narrow minded and better off with topics like maids, car seats and ridicule of topics they can't comprehend. Touche!

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Flogging a Dead Horse (defined): [i'>If someone is trying to convince people to do or feel something without any hope of succeeding, they're flogging a dead horse. This is used when someone is trying to raise interest in an issue that no-one supports anymore; beating a dead horse will not make it do any more work.[/i'> ref: Usingenglish.com [i'>Repeating the same verbose diatribe punctuated with sarcastic but ineffective personal attacks.[/i'> ref: CT.com

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Latest post on 10 April 2011 - 13:22

The difference being that a rugby player or racing car driver has the choice to participate. exACTly! And then we can go full cirlce back to the Horse should not be used by humans argument!!!!

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Pictured: His Highness Sheikh Mohammed at a UAE Cabinet meeting.

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New 10-Year UAE Residency Visa for Dubai Content Creators and Influencers

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List of confirmed UAE public holidays in 2025

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Outdoor cinemas in Dubai for the winter season 2024

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Executive Hospitality Programme at South View School in Dubai

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A Complete Guide How to Get an Influencer License in Dubai and UAE

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Dubai's gravity-driven tunnel to reduce flood risks by 700%

Pictured: Flooded roads from the record-breaking storm that hit Dubai in April 2024.

Dubai Flood Risk to Be Cut Down by 700% With New Tunnel

8 Beauty Treatments in Dubai for busy moms

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E-scooters are no longer banned on the Dubai Metro stations and trains

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Spa packages at Saray Spa in JW Marriott Marquis Hotel Dubai

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How to book Dubai taxi through WhatsApp

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Experience Extended Stays and Special Savings at Le Meridien Al Aqah Beach Resort UAE

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RTA Dubai flying taxi official launch date

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Are "own visa" Domestic Workers legal in the UAE?

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