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Latest post on 30 March 2011 - 06:41

I think you're being narrow-minded. For starters - do you not believe that this organisation has ANY role in the community? If you do believe that there is a role for this purely non-profit organisation - then you SHOULD support them, in order to gain funding rom Private sector companies to allieviate the strain on the Govt funding. Secdonly - my son would not fit into the deaf community - he has too much hearing - he is aided and not profoundly deaf. Where then, without the support of speech therapy, A-V therapy, from the H&S centre? Thirdly - and most importantly in my opinion - without such centres that provide A-V therapy you are taking away the right of the child to CHOOSE for themselves. Watch this video and tell me that this isn't amazing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKJfSdemACY&feature=player_embedded If children are not identified early in their development and given the opportunity for a cochlear implant, speech therapy etc - what you are doing is taking away their choice to be part of the hearing community. Without stimulation, the cochlear - the portion of the brain that interprets and feeds back sound from the ear to the brain then it will not be recoverable. You are denying the child the choice to join this community and doing exactly as you said this professor had happen to him. Give them the opportunity to learn to speak and if they later choose to only sign at least it was their informed choice.

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 22:27

I don't have an issue with cochlear implants or teaching deaf/hearing impaired children to speak. I have an issue with teaching deaf children to fix their problem rather than to accept, love and adapt to the different life they have been born into. I took ASL courses from a professor who was deaf and I remember the stories he told us of having to conform to what the hearing community wanted him to be. The stories he told us were very sad. For him it was completely demoralizing to be forced to speak like a "normal child" and to only be allowed to sign in private. The most remarkable thing about him was that we understood 90% of what he was telling us...and he never spoke a word. We were first year students with no experience in ASL, but he showed us that communication goes way beyond spoken words. This quote from SueB sums up exactly how I feel: I do not disagree with cochlear but what I disagree with is the fact that the deaf are not learning their language and not being given the chance to at least enrich their lives in all ways, rather than only one. <em>edited by gleekfamily on 29/03/2011</em>

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 21:26

Just wanted to add - If your child was sight-impaired - would you give them a cane or would you get prescription glasses and enable them to see? Why should hearing impaired children be denied the opportunity to hear their mother tell them they love them, hear birds singing their morning songs, listen to waves crashing on the beach, hear their own child take their first breath... There is a place in the community for both communities - H&S provide a wonderful service for those who have the opportunity to hear. Perhaps those of you who support the deaf community could take a minute and evaluate your real issues - those issues concerning the Govt and funding NOT H&S... disappointed. :(

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 21:21

I am very sorry you all feel this way and perhaps you haven't had the opportunity to understand what the Hear and Say Centre truely do. Their mantra is to encourage children who have the capacity to hear to learn to listen and give them the opportunity to hear and speak. Their main way of achieving this is through the use of the auditory-verbal approach in which they encourage children who are hearing impaired to listen, comprehend and respond in a verbal manner. By (as they say in that article you posted the link to) "normalising" my own son - I'm giving him the opportuntiy to be integrated fully into the community to give him every possible opportunity. My son is not profoundly deaf, he has enough hearing without his aids to listen and respond - however, his speech would be severely affected to the point of being debilitating in everyday life... The H&S centre have enabled us to provide him with the opportunity to speak as well as any other child his age, to be integrated into mainstream schooling. He does not need Auslan - he simply needs education on how to develop his speech with the use of his hearing aids to achieve the best possible outcome for speech development - [b'>I am curious as to why you consider this a horrible and "shudder-inducing" problem??????[/b'> Gleekfamily - what is your concern with encouraging children who are hearing impaired to speak and to listen well with the use of their cochlear implants or hearing aids? I am confused, disappointed and upset that one article is taken with such profound belief when perhaps you could also review the use of auditory-verbal therapy to see the effects and sucess of this therapy in enabling a child to hear the wonderful sounds in our world?!?!? Perhaps review this site - http://www.listeningforlife.com/AVTprogram.html

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 19:44

My nephew is deaf. He is now 32 years old and does not belong to either the hearing world, nor the deaf world. His parents felt that he should be treated like a hearing child and not one who was deaf, so, along with the times, he did not learn sign language, nor did he have deaf friends. He can lip read, when he chooses and he trys to speak but it is difficult to understand him most of the time. I feel that a deaf child must have a community of people like him/herself. We all want to belong to people like us. If we make it a bad thing to sign and not belong to any deaf communities but hearing people do not understand their language, where will they fit it? Why is being deaf such an awful thing? is it because they are disabled? but they are not, they cannot hear with their ears but they can hear with their hands. If those that have the implant and the implant breaks down, and, they have no other way of communicating, then, they are cut off from both communities because they have nothing to fall back on. sign language should be taught to all children who are deaf. Sign language should not be made to be second class and those that sign should not be made to feel what they are oing is beneath them. We all must belong somewhere, to some community in order to thrive. In alot of ways the deaf are lucky, they have 2 communities they can belong to and can go back and forth. I do not disagree with cochlear but what I disagree with is the fact that the deaf are not learning their language and not being given the chance to at least enrich their lives in all ways, rather than only one. Thanks Waxmuch for posting the link. I 100% agree.

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 19:23

I also didn't read well enough, after WM's post, I re-read and soon as I saw the line "We teach deaf and hearing impaired children to listen and speak" -- that made me shudder. Sorry meals, but I wish I read the page better, I wouldn't have "liked" it either. :(

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 19:06

No worries, CT. I worked intensively with many people in the Deaf community for six years so I still feel rather strongly about their issues and concerns. :)

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 19:00

Thanks for posting Waxmuch. I did not do adequate research before I liked the page myself and I appreciate you sending the link. A lesson learned.

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EW OLDHAND

Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 18:39

is this about the cochlear implant? Why does the Deaf community in Oz not support hearandsay? A number of reasons. But rather than list them all here, read this: http://the-rebuttal.com/?m=201006&paged=3

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EW EXPERT

Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 18:37

is this about the cochlear implant? Why does the Deaf community in Oz not support hearandsay?

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 17:56

I just think people should think about what they are supporting and perhaps do a bit of research. HearandSay is not endorsed by the Deaf community in Oz and I'm afraid I side with them when it comes to the needs of CODAs and deaf kiddies. :)

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 17:54

Sorry. Just can't agree with the HearandSay policies and approach, I'm afraid. And that's would be the Thursday can of worms well and truly opened.

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EW OLDHAND

Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 17:52

Sorry. Just can't agree with the HearandSay policies and approach, I'm afraid.

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 17:21

bump (and done :) ) Thanks meals for posting it.

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 14:02

Thanks gleekfamily... and gentle BUMP for the deaf children of Oz :)

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 12:38

Done

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Latest post on 29 March 2011 - 12:14

Please help out a very worthy charity - by simply "liking" their facebook page a financial institution will donate AU$1 to help deaf children hear again... your support would be greatly appreciate!!! http://www.facebook.com/HearAndSay TIA :)

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