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Fussy baby of mine

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 September 2012 - 11:29

Hi ladies,

I'm wondering if any of you can advise me with regards to my ds. He suffers from colic and very bad trapped wind which has him in a bad mood generally all day but what me and dh are really struggling with is his evening routine. From around 10pm-3am he continuously cries. We've tried changing his nappy, feeding, burping, cuddling but the moment we put him down to sleep he starts screaming.

He has a blocked nose/phlegm which I cant get out so I wonder if on top of the colic this is what is making him agitated?

I have no idea how dh is managing work in the mornings and I'm also in desperate need of some sleep. My mum is currently here to stay with us and always tells me to catch up with sleep during the day but thats also impossible because he needs someone present rocking him etc otherwise he again wakes up and gets cranky. Hes also making loud grunting sometimes screaming noises while sleeping as well and then wakes up.

Is all of this normal?! :\:

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 06 September 2012 - 17:29
I guess with the neocate the idea would be to see if it helped (so maybe buy one or two tins) and if the difference was dramatic then you would know for sure the problem was a milk protein allergy. You would have a few different options from that point on including trialing various less hydrolysed but cheaper formulas or using donated breast milk, though the HMFHB's group. I know in Doha neocate is only available on prescription, but it is free, maybe their are similar options in Dubai if going through the public system.?? You could waste a lot of time and money trialling different formulas and meds to no avail. PS when going off the meds you can have a rebound effect so it might take a few days to settle down if you really wanted to see if they were necessary.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 06 September 2012 - 10:32
Thank you so much ladies for all of your lovely advise and tips. I guess my motherly instinct is not so great as I stopped ds's meds and all **** broke loose. I cant believe how bad his reflux is and how much the meds were masking it even though he was still so poorly. Ugh so after 2 days of no sleep and a very sick baby were back on the meds. I wish we could try neocate but for now its very expensive and I just dont see how we would afford it as we end up going through a 900g formula tin within 2 weeks and neocate is 200 dhs for a small box?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 September 2012 - 12:59
Hi, i feel for you. this must be a difficult time indeed. i know of a home remedy. Maybe it will help your baby. 2 glasses water - when it comes to a boil add the following and then close the stove, dont boil anymore after that. Fennel seeds - 1 teaspoon Mint leaves - 5 to 6 leaves with the stem small Cardamon - 2 Then cover the utensil. After an hour remove this stuff from water and keep it in a bottle. Feed the baby 2 to 3 tablespoon 3 to 4 times a day. If you are giving formula milk you can use this water along with other water. My Mother in law says she knows this remedy to have helped colic babies. However she says this is temperory remedies and helps baby release gases and sleep well. Colic babies stay colic for about six months. Hope your baby recovers though.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 22:22
I actually used to try and wind [b'>before[/b'> a feed (depending on how patient DS was being) and found it more effective than winding after. Your baby is old enough for tummy time too, which can help them work their gas out more easily. (unless tummy time makes him scream, in which case it might be counter productive, as crying leads to gas intake) You mention you are bottle-feeding, if its formula, consider a milk allergy. How are his poos? Neocate is the only formula you can buy which is 100% hydrolysed (cows milk protein broken down completely). if you are not breastfeeding and you can get your hands on a tin and try it, it might help you figure out if there is a milk allergy that needs navigating. There are cheaper options in which the milk is somewhat broken down but IMHO you'd be best to completely remove cows milk protein and then if you see a difference, experiment with the other options to see what you can get away with. it would be more clear cut that way than faffing with 20 dif formulas only to discover there was no issue with cows milk protein anyway. Don't try soy formulas at this age.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 21:42
Hi, just wanted to say I'm pleased for you that you seem to be making progress, I know only too well how overwhelming it can be getting to grips with being a mum and caring for a baby without the fussiness, upset and wind to try and figure out. It sounds like you made progress trying to figure out your baby's feelings using your instincts . We didn't have Colic Calm but used Infacol which was OK, but did sometimes cause constipation, but it might be worth a try until you get the Colic Calm, it is at least easy to source here. Seems like things are coming together and you are realising what a great mum you really are x
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 20:42
Not to take away what these ladies advised, and what medical science offers, but just to share what happened to two good friends of mine. Both had very 'fussy' babies who cried incessantly. One of them is a naturopath-homeopath and through a process of elimination she discovered that the food she was eating was affecting her breast milk and that the baby had an intolerance to oats and soya products. So after my friend stopped eating oats and dropped soya products, the baby settled down a lot more. Oats is a rare one but all sorts of food may affect our breast milk. I only know of one naturopath here in Dubai - Dr Eade but I think there are more. http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/infant-food-allergy.html Cows milk and dairy products seem to be the biggest aggravaters. The other friend took her crying infant (in despair) to a neuro-cranial therapist who did some scalp massages and adjustments and the crying stopped. It seems that through his forceps birth he has suffered some pain on the scalp and was effectively suffering from a continuous headache. I dont want to complicate things and I have no first hand experience but wanted to share some extra insights which I hope can help. Its all ahead of me - yikes. edited by hilsbils on 04/09/2012 Agree actually, oats was something I had to eliminate with my son's reflux, the stuffy nose too could be linked to an allergy. My son did react to gluten, dairy, oats etc but didn't really cry about it. So I think it can be a combo of a level of discomfort combined with a baby that for whatever reason, finds it harder to calm down once agitated.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 19:54
No problem! I may just give that a go! I hope you had a good vacation :)
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 13:11
Maybe see if there are any EW gals still in the uk for summer who can bring any back? We only got back about a week and a half ago....too late sorry!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 12:27
It is really good stuff...if you can get someone to bring it in definitely do. My friend brought back loads at the time with no issues. She is not in Dubai at the moment otherwise I'd have asked her if she has any left for you but it was over a year ago now. edited by sydneygal on 04/09/2012 No problem SydneyGirl! I'm sure i'll find somebody. I tried asking some of my own friends who are back in UK right now but I doubt they will get time away from partying to source it for me! Were all in our twenties but have very different lives now that I'm married with a LO so it can be difficult with them at times.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 12:23
It is really good stuff...if you can get someone to bring it in definitely do. My friend brought back loads at the time with no issues. She is not in Dubai at the moment otherwise I'd have asked her if she has any left for you but it was over a year ago now. <em>edited by sydneygal on 04/09/2012</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 12:21
Thanks SydneyGirl. I'm glad to hear colic calm actually does work! I'd love to put up some sort of a poll to find out what the best gas drops are! I tried to source colic calm but I'm told customs wont let it through because its liquid so I guess the only way is if someone is travelling back to UK but I dont want to put anyone out of their way for it unless I know its really good stuff!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 12:16
Hi golden brown. I've seen a few of your posts asking about colic calm....a friend of mine gave me a bottle when ds was little and it was great. He only had mild gas but it definitely helped and it really helped my friends little girl who had terrible colic the first three months. Unfortunately I don't have any left, perhaps you can see if anyone is coming back from overseas who could bring you a bottle? I know the poster M ordered some in a while back so maybe put a post out for her and she could tell u how she sourced it? It sounds like you are following your instinct which is often the best thing to do. At one point I had ds on reflux meds which also did nothing as reflux wasn't the problem....so I took him off too. Do you do any baby massage? That can help with trapped wind too. Best of luck and hope u can get some colic calm!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 11:54
DH slept in the lounge yesterday due to lack of sleep over the last 3 weeks so I was alone with DS all night and I feel it actually did wonders for me and LO to understand each other. I'm starting to wonder if DS has any reflux at all now. I can surely see some colic but what seems to be the main culprit is tonnes of trapped wind which causes him discomfort. So last night during his feed he screamed again and arched his back. I put down his bottle and quickly started rubbing his back. To my surprise he let out the loudest burp and became totally comfortable again so we continued feeding. The screaming/back arching continued a few times during his feed and each time I stopped to burp him which helped. Now I know how to deal with his mid feed fits I feel more comfortable rather than a helpless mum! I have read about high needs and I dont feel thats what he is at all. He is only needy it seems when he needs help getting burped (which is most of the day lol) hes not so fussed with comfort holding. Hes still making loud grunting noises in his sleep most likely linked to his blocked nose which I will sort out asap for him. Sleeping patterns are still unpredictable. Hes not one of those babies who sleep 3-4 hours after a feed. You will get 1 hour maybe 2 hours tops out of him if your lucky but thats just how he is which is fine. Again now that I know how to deal with him when hes awake and screaming I dont mind all these things so much. I dont want to stop medication half way but it always bugged me why zantac, motillium etc did nothing for him and I was told from day 1 to give it a few days even a week. I've now given it 3 weeks and hes the same baby I bought home! So first of all I'll give it till this weekend otherwise I'm going to research into the best gas drops and give just those a go with each feed. I'd LOVE any recommendations on the best gas drops please as I have no idea. Secondly I'm wondering if his stuffy nose may be linked to any allergies so to be on the safe side I'm going to get some allergy tests for him this week also. I'm sure ds will be so glad to be off the meds as he seemed to hate the taste. Please pray for us that I'm taking the right steps. The last thing I need is for it to actually be reflux and everything escalates out of control because I stop medication! Just wanted to add medication is great when its really needed but alot of the time I think we just really need to get to know our babies a bit more to understand what they are about. There is no typical baby. They are all their own little humans. Goodluck :)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 10:54
I would agree with a lot of what KW wrote below. A hair dryer and swaddling worked like a charm at our house. Just want you to know that you are not alone. Especially in those early weeks. Through asking my friends, I find that the 12 week marks a whole new life for most parents. I know it seems like this will be your life now, however this too will pass. Follow your instincts and try to get as much sleep as possible, and ask for help from anyone that offers. Im sure our friends will be their for you, maybe they just don't know what to do. Even if it means just taking your LO for a walk around the mall so you can sleep for an hour. It's amazing how much more tolerance you have with a crying baby when you are well rested. Good luck.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 04 September 2012 - 10:43
Not to take away what these ladies advised, and what medical science offers, but just to share what happened to two good friends of mine. Both had very 'fussy' babies who cried incessantly. One of them is a naturopath-homeopath and through a process of elimination she discovered that the food she was eating was affecting her breast milk and that the baby had an intolerance to oats and soya products. So after my friend stopped eating oats and dropped soya products, the baby settled down a lot more. Oats is a rare one but all sorts of food may affect our breast milk. I only know of one naturopath here in Dubai - Dr Eade but I think there are more. http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/infant-food-allergy.html Cows milk and dairy products seem to be the biggest aggravaters. The other friend took her crying infant (in despair) to a neuro-cranial therapist who did some scalp massages and adjustments and the crying stopped. It seems that through his forceps birth he has suffered some pain on the scalp and was effectively suffering from a continuous headache. I dont want to complicate things and I have no first hand experience but wanted to share some extra insights which I hope can help. Its all ahead of me - yikes. <em>edited by hilsbils on 04/09/2012</em>
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 September 2012 - 16:53
sounds like you could have a "high needs baby" on your hands, I wrote about this in another thread recently sounds like a high needs baby..Drs sometimes use the term "colic" to describe this but its confusing because colic is also used to describe gas pain. A high needs/fussy/colic baby basically cries for up to several hours a day for no apparent reason, there are a multitude of theories some Drs think its a brain immaturity that causes a problem with sleep cycles, just as they start to fall asleep they flick into awake mode, in the process becoming really over-tired and finding it harder and harder to calm down. Others say its a sensory problem, they over react to heat, cold, light, dark etc and can't filter these sensations out, same end result, inconsolable crying. (all babies will arch and clench go rigid etc when they get this upset so it doesn't actually mean they are in physical pain and they will also take in a lot of gas with all the crying so will tend to be gassy anyway). Whatever it is, they do grow out of it (basically there is not something "wrong with them, they just weren't quite ready to be born in some ways) but it is a tough start for all of you. I had two nephews who were like this and it was extremely tough on my brother and my SIL who were/are wonderful parents and now have two lovely little boys. You can help your baby calm down by swaddling, shusshing (use a hairdryer or vaccum cleaner, the white noise it creates calms them), swinging and trying a pacifier. These all help block the sensory overload. Baby carriers and slings are also good, the movement again seems to help. You can help yourself by getting extra support (consider a night nanny, calling in relatives etc and taking it in shifts so you get as much sleep as possible. this is not at all your fault, nor is it your baby's fault, its just how it is and it won''t be forever but don't try and go it alone! .... This link might be helpful http://www.parentingscience.com/what-is-colic.html edited by kiwispiers on 24/08/2012 from http://www.expatwoman.com/qatar/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=187413 btw massage and probiotics have been shown to hep in some cases. If rocking helps then consider a mechanical swing if you can afford it, hire some help, you are not going to get much sleep otherwise and sleep is so important when you are dealing with a harder than average baby. Please know that its not a sign you are doing something wrong or that your baby is a grumpy unpleasant child, some babies just aren't quite ready to deal with the world and all the overwhelming sensations that go with it. he needs your help, but you need help yourslef so that you have the energy and patience to give him what he needs. Don't let anyone make you feel bad if your baby needs a lot of soothing, ignore those that tell you you will spoil him with too much cuddling and comfort. Some babies simply don't need it, mine didn't, he was quite content to lie there and smile all day, (not holding my breath that number two due in a few weeks will be quite so easy) but all babies are different and you can never spoil a baby with too much love. oh and a lot of newborns can be quite snuffly, without it being a problem, if it persists it might be allergies. Check with your Pead. Grunting, twitching , snorting, snuffling and generally being noisy sleepers is quite normal.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 September 2012 - 13:29
Hi jackieq513 thanks for getting in touch! Hes 3 weeks old and I believe the poor fella suffers from colic and large amounts of trapped wind although his paed has diagnosed him with a combination of both colic and reflux (although he has no vomiting) for which he is taking medication with no improvement. If his medication doesn't improve his symptoms in the next 2 weeks I'm tempted to stop everything and try just the best gas drops in the market for example infacol. I've got a hunch his symptoms may mimic colic/reflux but in reality he may just be a very gassy baby in discomfort. I've not tried infacol just yet as I've heard it can make reflux symptoms worse. For his blocked nose I've tried to use a bulb syringe but its not got any gunk out of his wee little nostrils. I shall try some other techniques today as its clearly causing him discomfort. From everything I'm reading I guess we just need to wait it out till the magic 12 weeks mark but I envy those mothers who have newborns sleeping through the night!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 September 2012 - 12:01
Hi Firstly, how old is your baby? This will make it easier to understand the reasons why he is like this, although I am guessing he is still very small. You mentioned the blocked nose, what have you tried to get rid if this? This may be causing discomfort and if this was eased he may sleep better, we used a gentle saline spray up the nostrils, baby hated it at the time but a few seconds and the mucus was loosened and out. Your doctor or pharmacist can advise you on an age - appropriate one. Also, if baby sleeps with head a little elevated (we propped up the mattress slightly) this can help stuffy nose. I have also heard others say rubbing a little vicks on baby's feet helps, (as it's too strong to be near delicate noses) but havent tried this myself. I think if you can sort this area of discomfort you may solve the problem or can at least rule this out as a cause. I think it may be worth a trip to the docs to sort out the wind issue if you have tried to do so yourself already, just to rule out anything medical. Have you considered a baby carrier, I know many people who swear by them, babies often fall asleep being carried around in them, as they like being close to their mummies and it can be calming for them and gives you two free hands to drink tea and eat biscuits as required.
 
 

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