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Latest post on 19 August 2011 - 09:04

Hi all you ladies who gave me good advice. Well we went out yesterday and got the girls some nice cups of their choosing. The night before, the twin thats been giving me problems woke up several times during the night (her father tended to her as I was in bed asleep and he was up) wanting milk and making all kinds of excuses to be up. In the end she was up again at 2.30 and it was my turn. Each time she got out of the cot I put her on the [newly introduced] naughty wall, telling her that each time she got out of her cot that's where she would go. She kept asking for milk and I kept refusing. She ended up on the naughty wall 4 times - (slow learner!) and didn't get back to sleep till after 5am. Last night when I put her to bed I told her if she got up at night it would be straight onto the naughty wall. Well she didn't get up once - first time in weeks.
Today I'm giving them milk in their new cups and when their daddy gets up we'll be sitting them down and telling them no more bottles, that big girls use cups. And probably do a cerimonious "throwing away of the bottles". It will be interesting how it pans out tonight - wish me luck ladies!! Any other advice appreciated!

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Latest post on 22 August 2011 - 01:59

A-HA! Told ya....Water in a bottle! Works like a charm.... next step getting rid of the bottle altogether before being dry through the night! That's my current battle - convincing my DD that she actually doesn't want anything to drink before bed because she'll then need a pit-stop at 23h!

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A-HA! Told ya....Water in a bottle! Works like a charm....

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Latest post on 22 August 2011 - 01:05

Thanks HAK. It seems to be going well so far. They haven't woken one night at all for about 3 nights and are eating much more during the day. They're not asking for milk at all!! They have Laban drink instead which they like - from a cup. At night I give them about 100ml of water in a bottle. I'm so glad I took this step and had the encouragement from the expat ladies to do it!! Yay! [does a little victory dance!'> It really is funny how sometimes something so simple is the key to so many other things... and how often we just get so caught up in the situation so as not to be able to see it. Really, really well done! Most importantly though - how are you feeling? Better? More relaxed?

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Thanks HAK. It seems to be going well so far. They haven't woken one night at all for about 3 nights and are eating much more during the day. They're not asking for milk at all!! They have Laban drink instead which they like - from a cup. At night I give them about 100ml of water in a bottle. I'm so glad I took this step and had the encouragement from the expat ladies to do it!!

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Latest post on 20 August 2011 - 11:05

I'm so pleased with what you've posted, Exile - it sounds as if you're nearly there! It must be so hard to be a toddler sometimes, but I'm sure that in a couple of days they won't be asking for a bottle, will be eating better and will be far happier (and calmer) during the day because they'll be getting enough sleep. I obviously don't want to count chickens before they're hatched, but it seems to be one of those little changes that will make a huge difference on so many levels... and that's worth persevering with, so well done!

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Latest post on 20 August 2011 - 09:20

Thanks Puffinlunde for your insight, I think you have a good point. I had tried just putting her back in bed, but she was getting up 7-8 times with no end in sight!! She's had a hard time adjusting to no bottle too, it turns out she was requesting milk only because she likes sucking on the bottle, not because she particularly likes milk. I've offered her milk in the cup and only wants to drink it from the bottle. I gave them a cup of milk at bedtime last night and they only drank about 100 mls instead of the usual 250mls+. It seems she didn't wake at all last night (will have to check with hubby as I went to bed early and left it to him as he stays up late). Let's hope this good streak continues. She had a tantrum this morning wanting milk in the bottle and I was adamant that the bottles are finished for good. She went on the have a yoghurt and half a croissant, which is good as it's so hard to get either of them to eat. Lets see what today brings!!

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Latest post on 19 August 2011 - 13:10

I'm very sympathetic as I have a daughter who didn't sleep through the night on a regular basis until the age of 5 because of asthma However I'm unsure of what you are aiming for by using the "naughty wall" at night -surely this should be used for deliberate naughty behaviour? - won't this distract from your overall aim of getting her to sleep and learn to go back to sleep herself if you use it at night? I always used to return DD to bed each time she woke - otherwise how will she learn to self sooth and go back to sleep herself? I'm very unsure about treating nighttime waking as a "naughty" issue to be punnished - I mean if you yourself have a nightmare that causes you to wake in the night you are not doing it to be "naughty" are you - waking it something you cannot help - however the difference with toddlers is that they cannot always get themselve back to sleep - but punishing her by making her stand at the "naughty wall" will not help her learn that skill and may just prolong the problem as your attention in the night may just become a new habit

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yeah I know what you meant but with them being in the same room I dont want to make a fuss in the room so as not to wake the other one up so will take her out into the lounge but make sure it's not too bright!! BTW so far the cups this is disaterous, instead of drinking from them, they're pouring from one cup into the other and into the plates, just playing with them but still begging for milk!! I'm telling them no more bottles but there is fierce resistance so far! lol - oh dear! For the cups, tell them they're not to be played with and remove them if they continue. You'd do the same if they were up-ending their plate time and time again, wouldn't you? It'll sink in. Don't give in or let them have any slack. Cups are for drinking from and bottles don't exist any more. ;) My two are also in the same room... I moved my youngest to a big bed a few weeks back so 2 uncontained pre-schoolers are terrible at bedtime!

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yeah I know what you meant but with them being in the same room I dont want to make a fuss in the room so as not to wake the other one up so will take her out into the lounge but make sure it's not too bright!! BTW so far the cups this is disaterous, instead of drinking from them, they're pouring from one cup into the other and into the plates, just playing with them but still begging for milk!! I'm telling them no more bottles but there is fierce resistance so far!

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Latest post on 19 August 2011 - 11:00

thanks HAK, your suggestion about the naughty wall is a good one, I may make sure I do it in the dark, so it's not at all stimulating or exciting!! I don't remember that being my suggestion! I have a "Boring Corner" for daytime antics, but don't use it at night because my main aim is to get them to say *in* their room, not give them an excuse to get out! Mine was the cups. :cool:

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thanks HAK, your suggestion about the naughty wall is a good one, I may make sure I do it in the dark, so it's not at all stimulating or exciting!!

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Latest post on 19 August 2011 - 10:17

Hi there, have twins as well, what worked for us was to slowly reduce bottle time switching to cup, to the point there was only one bottle feed at night before bed. The OP's twins are 3 though, so strictly speaking beyond needing bottles! Exile - really well done! The Tough Mummy at night will mean that you're a happier mummy during the day, which everyone will soon learn is a far nicer experience! I'm sure your girls will love their new cups - big up any reference they may make to being a big girl now (so if they say something like "look mummy, I'm a big girl now - I've done a drawing all by myself" you can say something like "Wow, that's wonderful - you are [i'>such[/i'> a big girl, and you've even got a big girl cup too!") Just maybe have in the back of your mind that once they clock that the naughty wall involved getting out of bed, they *may* decide that's a great way to get your attention at night... they may not, but they might do, so just watch out for any funny business! Seems to have done the trick so far though and that's super! Carry on the good job and look forward to some restful nights!

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Latest post on 19 August 2011 - 10:15

mmm thats a good idea (water in bottle) - I have a feeling it's going to be a long night tonight!!

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Latest post on 19 August 2011 - 09:46

Hi there, have twins as well, what worked for us was to slowly reduce bottle time switching to cup, to the point there was only one bottle feed at night before bed. If they got up at night they were offered milk in a cup, if they fussed about it too much I gave them water in the bottle - which obviously switched their minds into wanting the cup! tee-hee :) Hope it helps! It shouldnt take long until you transition, for me it was max two weeks. Good Luck MoT

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