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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:15

How can they prove you actually did it? And is this really an arrestable offense?

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 14:09

...You misunderstood me! Im saying it's shocking that people report these things (swearing, hand gestures).... I started this thread :o) it's even more shocking that m would think someone would randomly swear at him and go and report it. I HATE the whole "I'll report you" mentality people have here. I've heard it so many times. Lol...I think you misunderstand me. I agree that the system (in our, culturally different opinion) is flawed and potentially downright unfair. Yes, it is too easy to report someone for something they may or may not have done and there's no doubt that system is over-used, in my opinion. However, in the example I used, I can see where M was coming from. They seriously went back and forth trying to understand each other for almost an hour just over the rules on using company vehicles and collecting/returning keys. Neither understood the other clearly, my husband does tend to get impatient in such circumstances and he is a physically big, potentially intimidating man - M may well have thought a whole lot of the conversation was aggressive if for no other reason that Emiratis and Aussies do things quite differently on a work site and my husband may not have been terribly culturally sensitive. (whew) For your own sanity, don't always assume the worst. If you spent every day in the UAE worrying about what could happen because the laws seem so 'unfair' to so many of us, you'd never step out of your front door. Many of us survive years there with never a hint of trouble. :)

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:50

It is just typical of the playground mentality "control" that some rather insecure locals have over expats. Glad to be out of it.

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:46

Dairylea - I can very well understand what one goes though when you know you are right. As i said even if one argues it wont work and will get worst. To save the situation apologise and get out. After that incident i dont try to get into any incidents which lead into going to the cops, whether with a local or any other nationalities. We have all come here to make a good living and lead a good life.

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:35

Shivi I understand that it is an offence and I would never do it either here or at home, but my whole point is: anyone can falsely accuse you of swearing and you have no way of proving your innocence. I just can't get my head round this. So I suppose like you said, it'd be best to just apologise (even if you hadn't done it) and hope not to get arrested/deported! <em>edited by dairylea on 05/04/2011</em>

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:29

Been in this situation when i was new in Dubai in 2007 during the Ramadan time. Was on Emirates road after meeting a friend in Green community, on my way back home. I was driving at 140 in the fast lane and some guy started flashing lights, the cars in tghe next lane were equally fast so couldnt change my lane, it took about 7-10mins for me to change the lane and the guy was as close to crashing into my car. Finally after changing the lane i flashed my finger and he kept chasing/tailgating me for another 15 mins. I took my car in the side and stopped and the guy behind me did the same and he started banging my windows and scratching the car. I manage to fled and after abt an hours time i get a call from the police station to come and report. My husband and me went and the guy was a local lied that i was driving at 80 and didnt move. To cut the long story short, it was the most horrific episode in my life. Firstly they dont speak english so u really dont understand whether the other person is saying the truth or a lie. It is the biggest offence u can do in this country and one must respect that. Secondly, best is to apologise and never ever argue. Lesson learnt.....

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:20

Same can be said for being accused of swearing...my husband was very nearly reported to the police by a colleague when he first started work. Fortunately management managed to negotiate something in-house once the misunderstanding was sorted out. Long (hilarious now) story short, my husband reported to this Emirati gentleman for keys to company vehicles on site each day. On his very first day and after long, language barrier ridden conversation my husband said, "Thanks M. I'll have the keys back at 4 o'clock." M reported my husband to the CEO for saying, "I'll have the keys back to you later you c*ck." :D Funny now. NOT funny then! Shocking. Why didn't M just ask your husband there and then why he was calling him a c0ck rather than sneaking off and reporting it to the CEO. And in any case why did M assume that your husband would just randomly call him a c0ck on his first day of work. I hate all this 'reporting' mentality. Is it not possible that the gentleman was shocked at the thought of new colleague, brand new to HIS country, would say this too him? That and possibly being exhausted from all of the previous discussion and language issues? We never jumped to conclusions that he just went straight to "reporting mentality". You misunderstood me! Im saying it's shocking that people report these things (swearing, hand gestures).... I started this thread :o) it's even more shocking that m would think someone would randomly swear at him and go and report it. I HATE the whole "I'll report you" mentality people have here. I've heard it so many times.

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:16

Same can be said for being accused of swearing...my husband was very nearly reported to the police by a colleague when he first started work. Fortunately management managed to negotiate something in-house once the misunderstanding was sorted out. Long (hilarious now) story short, my husband reported to this Emirati gentleman for keys to company vehicles on site each day. On his very first day and after long, language barrier ridden conversation my husband said, "Thanks M. I'll have the keys back at 4 o'clock." M reported my husband to the CEO for saying, "I'll have the keys back to you later you c*ck." :D Funny now. NOT funny then! Shocking. Why didn't M just ask your husband there and then why he was calling him a c0ck rather than sneaking off and reporting it to the CEO. And in any case why did M assume that your husband would just randomly call him a c0ck on his first day of work. I hate all this 'reporting' mentality. Is it not possible that the gentleman was shocked at the thought of new colleague, brand new to HIS country, would say this too him? That and possibly being exhausted from all of the previous discussion and language issues? We never jumped to conclusions that he just went straight to "reporting mentality".

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:12

Some time ago I realised that when sat at traffic lights with my elbow on the door ledge and my cheek resting on my hand I was putting 2 fingers up to the neighbouring cars! Soon stopped that! DH got me thinking the other day - he's got a very sticky job on the go at the moment, to the point where he could still end up nicked for no fault of his - haven't a clue what I'd do!!

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 13:11

Same can be said for being accused of swearing...my husband was very nearly reported to the police by a colleague when he first started work. Fortunately management managed to negotiate something in-house once the misunderstanding was sorted out. Long (hilarious now) story short, my husband reported to this Emirati gentleman for keys to company vehicles on site each day. On his very first day and after long, language barrier ridden conversation my husband said, "Thanks M. I'll have the keys back at 4 o'clock." M reported my husband to the CEO for saying, "I'll have the keys back to you later you c*ck." :D Funny now. NOT funny then! Shocking. Why didn't M just ask your husband there and then why he was calling him a c0ck rather than sneaking off and reporting it to the CEO. And in any case why did M assume that your husband would just randomly call him a c0ck on his first day of work. I hate all this 'reporting' mentality.

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 12:56

Green-ish, You have made my day. That is so funny. Can't imagine it being funny then though. :)

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 12:54

Same can be said for being accused of swearing...my husband was very nearly reported to the police by a colleague when he first started work. Fortunately management managed to negotiate something in-house once the misunderstanding was sorted out. Long (hilarious now) story short, my husband reported to this Emirati gentleman for keys to company vehicles on site each day. On his very first day and after long, language barrier ridden conversation my husband said, "Thanks M. I'll have the keys back at 4 o'clock." M reported my husband to the CEO for saying, "I'll have the keys back to you later you c*ck." :D Funny now. NOT funny then!

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:29

They can't really do anything unless there was a witness, but its a big hassle which to be honest most police don't really like to have to get into either... I had a friend who was driving down springs road, and was slowing down to go over bumps, had an obnoxious driver behind her who was so impatient she couldn't possibly wait for my friend to go over the bumps, she got a bit of road rage and cut my friend off, was yelling and screaming and trying to make my friend pull over, friend had her two kids in the car and was quite frightened and drove straight home rather then continuing to head out, the crazy woman followed her to her house, and then called the police accusing my friend of giving her the finger. My friend DID NOT give the finger nor made any hand gestures, but the police still came. They spoke to both parties, but my friend wasn't an arabic speaker, the nutty woman was, and so the police listened to both sides, the crazy woman was telling the police that my friend should have pulled over to speak to her when she was trying to get her to stop, which my friend responded, did we have an accident? are you a police officer? then why should I stop when you were scaring myself and my children.... anyway the police were really good about it but said, if she wants to open a case there's not much they can do, friend and accuser would all have to go down to the station and my friend would be detained until case is cleared, but my friend then said she wanted to open a case against the woman for endangering her and her children and stalking her all the way to her house, so the police were actually happy with this and explained to the woman that this would be the case, and she'd be best off to leave it, rather than have a case opened against her as well to which she quickly jumped in her car and sped off....

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:28

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:27

Yep that is the case. And let me give you one better. When i first moved here, I was drivng to work in Jebel Ali, it was rush hour traffic and the ever so polite emiratie behind me was flashing his lights, swerving from side to side to get around me. I had cars in front of me, and cars beside me so I couldn't move. The man and his passenger were flipping me off and tried to ram my car from behind. He even passed me in the center divide just to prove a point he wanted to be next. I flipped him off too and he turned me in. 4 hours of phone calls with the police department many refusals to go and sign a document stating I would never flip him off again and a threat to call the US embassy on this issue, the man relented and didn't go and file a report. I was then in turn told I could file on him for trying to run me off the road and for flipping me off. Told them no it was a serious waste of police time.

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:26

One of my colleagues was arrested for this. He apparently (although he always denies it) gave someone the finger while driving, the "recipient" of the gesture (UAE national, before anyone asks) noted his registration number and the police turned up at the office. He was arrested (but not held in jail), passport taken off him for several months while the case dragged on. He got a local lawyer on the case, who managed to negoitate the charges being dropped in return for a meeting between my colleague, the police and the person that made the complaint at which my colleague had to apologise profusely and beg forgiveness. The charge was then dropped. Obviously evidence is difficult - it will always be "your word against theirs", so just depends who the police want to believe I think.....

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:25

My point is more what if you didn't do it but someone falsely accuses you for whatever reason. then you are up creek with no paddle

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:24

So someone could just not take a liking to you for whatever reason, get your numberplate and falsely report you for making a circle with your thumb and forefinger, and you'd get deported. in theory, yes

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:23

So someone could just not take a liking to you for whatever reason, get your numberplate and falsely report you for making a circle with your thumb and forefinger, and you'd get deported.

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:23

Yes you can get in trouble if the person actually goes to the police and files a report.

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EW GURU

Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:19

I'm really hoping not as a wonderful little boy on the school bus taught this to my DS plus how to swear like a trooper :(

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Latest post on 05 April 2011 - 11:18

Its more a case of how can you prove you didn't do it I'm afraid! :(

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