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Friend having problems with new born - advice needed

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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 16:45

I have a friend who has a new born son, just over a month old. She has been struggling with post natal depression and her son has had jaundice (which is not improving), and he vomits a lot (she is breastfeeding), and she thinks he has silent acid refulx (the Dr says he hasnt but she isnt happy about that diagnosis) and I think he had colic at one point too. He is not sleeping and wants to be held by someone all the time. She is not sleeping and getting more stressed and frustrated. Her mum is here for a while (though Im dubious about her giving him water since he was a week old, then again I dont have children!), and she is adding to the stress I think. Her husband is working long hours despite fasting and it being Ramadan. I dont know what I can do to help her. When I have called her a few times, she has hung up and sent and sms saying she cant answer the phone etc. I have sent her some sms and she does reply but seems to be so down all the time. I am going to see her on Wednesday at her home, and see what I can do to help but Im not sure what I can do.

Can anyone advise me what I could do to help, make her feel better, help her son etc? Im planning on spending time with her son and ensuring that she has had time for herself, whether thats closing her eyes, or showering etc. If I can I will take him for a walk around the apartment building so if he cries she wont get stressed. I was hoping to take her to the spa for some pampering but I dont think she could be away from him this long. On the other hand, I dont think she really wants to be around hm right now......
<em>edited by Babylons on 14/08/2011</em>

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Latest post on 26 August 2011 - 10:03
this is such a nice thing what you're doing Simples. I remember when DD was just a few months old, i really depended on my friends here, even tho DH is very hands on.
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Latest post on 26 August 2011 - 09:16
paraphrasing Babylons' post - I've just done something incredible that money couldn't buy and words couldn't express. I think I love you! :) You're amazing. Simples. You ARE amazing, Babylons! Everyone should be lucky enough to have a friend like you :)
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Latest post on 26 August 2011 - 02:32
paraphrasing Babylons' post - I've just done something incredible that money couldn't buy and words couldn't express. I think I love you! :) You're amazing. Simples.
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Latest post on 26 August 2011 - 01:22
Hi there, sorry for the huge delay. I couldnt find this post, thought it had been deleted then I found it had been moved to this section. Phew! So update - friends mums wasnt there, so the good thing was my friend was able to speak openly about mum too. Seems she wouldnt miss mum if she went home (due Oct time to return home), and she doesnt help too much. She is old fashioned and my friend doesnt like/approve of some of her methods, mum doesnt change nappies and isnt bonding with her grandson - she shakes him when he cries as this is apparently how she used to with her 8 kids! How times have changed! I reassured my friend she was doing an amazing job, that she was normal, all babies cry, that she had to keep trying and trying and cant give up after trying something once; I advised her the best tip I learnt from another freind is soon she must get into a routine and stick to it no matter what. The great news is, he fell asleep while I was cuddling him and so allowed her and her husband a few mouthfuls of food together while I held baby. My friend very clearly is stressed when he cries, it looks like she is about to cry herself and I dont know how to help with this. She and her husband were a team, and they are both sharing the cuddling, and settling, changing nappies, etc. I dont think he is working the long hours I perceived, and he was very hands on. They are a young couple and doing their best. I suggested she doesnt read any books for a while or internet and just uses her instincts. She has asked if I can try one of those slings, so will go to find one over the weekend and take it round to her straight away. I was relieved to know she wasnt fasting. They were happy I took so much food so that she didnt have to worry about cooking and preparing food for a few days too. I washed up and put the dishes away, tried to leave as little behind, though they fought this and tried to treat me like a guest - I told them to sit down and rest and this was my way, so get used to it - they know me now ha ha! Ive had gripe water suggested for the dummy as it would be great if he found comfort with this to reduce the crying. Her husband walked me to my car even though there was no need, then I realised he wanted to talk to me - he thanked me for visiting and said my friend needed this. She missed her friends and her work and her old life, as much as she loves her son and is looking forward to everything he brings to her life, her life has changed more than she imagined. So I will make sure I keep in touch and keep going to see her and gradually over time I will be able to help her more. Thanks for all your advice and concerns, I will help her try everything suggested and decide which Drs she wants to see too. She worries too much, I imagine like all new mums. Im no expert and dont have kids myself, I can just be a good friend and keep supporting her.
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Latest post on 23 August 2011 - 16:34
Babylons, how is your friend going? How did it go that night? I hope she's ok.
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Latest post on 17 August 2011 - 20:50
I totally agree with Kiwispier. My little boy is 3 months old now and also has reflux! He is on Nexuim and it really does wonders. I do recomend she try and get an app. with Dr Loubser at infinity clinic on Wasl road. Being summer, it might also be easier to get in to see him as alot of people will be away on holiday. There are a few signs to look out for when you think baby might have reflux. These are the signs I have picked up from my little one - resist laying flat on his back, especially after a feed. (He always lies on his side now) - Is a fussy feeder, Arches his back and kicks his legs out, is forever tilting his head back while being held upright, -swallowing and coughing alot. I must admit that he seems much better now - I do think that it is getting better and he is def not having projectile vomiting as often as he use to. Also tell her it might help if you tilt baby's matress a little into an upright position (not too much) If I can give you any advise it is to maybe tell her to consider the Dorn therapy treatment - Google it. There is a lady called Josie - she is at the Manchester clinic on Beach road. We took our little one there when he was 5 and a half weeks old as we were out of options. We went to see 3 diff dr as he just did not want to stop crying and the reflux was getting worse. He used to wake up screaming every 2 hours during the night. He was never happy when he was awake either. We eventually got an app with Josie and that night he slept for 8hr straight. And now he is sleeping between 10 - 12 hr at night! It is very difficult to get an app with her but make sure the receptionist know its for a newborn! And phone every 2d day to check if there is anything avail. as then they are more likely to get tired of you phoning and just squeeze you in :-) As they did for us. I'm not saying it will work for every baby - but it did for ours! And we are so thankful to her. We are currently going to a group called mumcierge if she wants to join. Its every Wednesday 10-12 at MOE. It will be good for her to meet other moms and just to get out. I wish her all the best and she is very lucky to have you by her side!
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Latest post on 15 August 2011 - 09:38
If she has true PND she needs to see a Dr for it, it is not to be ignored and there is breastfeeding safe medication she can try. Can you talk to her mother and ask if there is anything you can do to help (surely mum is worried for her too,might be a way to avoid offense if you include her). Mum is giving TERRIBLE advice with the water btw, but might be best not to get involved in that apart from very quietly saying to your friend that you heard water was dangerous for breastfed babies, especially in hot weather when mums milk is naturally higher in water content, and leaving it to her to sort out. She may be reluctant to leave the house if her baby is crying a lot, but if you can convince her, make it somewhere either very noisy or away from people, so she is not self conscious of the baby if she brings it. First thing in the morning is probably the best time, she'll be a zombie by the afternoon She may be so tired though that she needs to sleep whenever she is not feeding, and truly not up to an excursion. Company might be the best you can offer, breastfeeding can be very lonely,especially in the early days when it seems non-stop, someone to sit and chat to while she is feeding could be great. Bringing food around is always helpful, even if mum is there. Vomiting a lot is quite normal, mine seemed to bring up more than I put in, it is anther reason not to giving water though (not that you need one), as a baby's tummy should not be overfilled. It wouldn't be "silent" reflux if baby is vomiting, the "silent" means a baby who doesn't spill but has acid rising in the throat causing pain, but the truth is reflux (spilling/possetting) is normal for a large percentage of babies only when it is causing pain or failure to gain weight, then it can be defined as GERD, which can sometimes be cause for drugs.
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 23:08
Hi Babylons. Wow, you are an amazing friend, she is very lucky to have you. I agree with all the posts below. Go in there and be kind but firm and insist that she steps down for a bit and takes a few minutes for herself. I had my mum out with both my DS's, but I actually think it made matters worse as I felt I was constantly having to entertain her too. Maybe your friend feels this way too? So go in and encourage her to feed bubs, hand him to you, go shower and get her head down for a bit while you burp and change baby and chat to her mum. Tell her you will wake her when bubs wakes up for his next feed. I too had reflux babies. Tell her to get a second or third opinion. Search on here for recommended paeds for reflux. I saw dr Loubser, but it's tough getting an apt with him. Also, she may be interested in trying a cranial osteopath? I took DS 2 to Lauren at Dubai Osteopath (they have a branch at uptown Mirdif) and she worked wonders on DS. His reflux and colic were so much better and after the 3rd session... Completely cured. And he started sleeping better as he was more relaxed. I wish I'd known about it for DS 1. This is such a challenging time for her, but it will get easier, just keep reminding her of it cos at the time. You feel like it won't. I also think pointing her towards this or any other forum is a good idea. Or a mums and babies group. There she can talk with other mums and learn that she is not the only one up at stupid o'clock clock each night. It always helps to know you are not alone. All the best. Let me know if she needs any books on all this malarky, I have a whole library she is welcome to ;-) and I have a fab sling she is welcome to use. Both my boys were instantly calmed and put to sleep within minutes of being carried in it. Was my lifesaver.
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 20:53
She could maybe hire a Post Natal Doula, a few of the doulas in Dubai do it, I have done before I moved to AD, and sometimes it's only a couple hours here and there to give a new mum a breathing space and some encouragement.
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 19:28
Hi Babylons, You are such a great friend! Every new Mum needs a friend like you when they have a newborn :) Asking for help isn't always easy, I know I struggled a lot (and still do sometimes even though DS is 7 months now) Just being there for her, even if you can't be there in person, a text message to ask if she's ok means a lot. It's important for her to have some time to herself so the pampering is a great idea. One of my girlfriends and my DH both chipped in and brought me a spa gift voucher when DS was born and it was heaven to have a few hours to myself. She definitely needs to sleep when baby is sleeping. If she can nurse lying down even better. I still do this when DS is sick, or he's had a bad night and I'm exhausted. Once she finds her feet with baby maybe she could come along to the EW Mums & Bumps coffee mornings. I find them a life saver. Just getting me out of the house and having other ladies to talk with who know exactly what you are going through is great. And also posting on here, so many wonderful ladies who can share their advise. Tell her she's not alone for sure :)
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 19:19
Babylons, it sounds as if you're a great friend! Be firm with her (but kind and gentle) in that you shouldn't take "no" for an answer. Walk in, put the kettle on, make her a cuppa and let her enjoy it while you care for the baby. If bubs is asleep, tell her to go out - it doesn't matter where (mani/pedi is a good start!) and what state she's in. She'll probably protest, but be firm and reassure her that you will call her if you need to, but this is time for her to enjoy by herself. If she's really hesitant, suggest she just goes out for 30 minutes... and as for you, if bubs is awake, plug in your iPlayer and dance with him. Anything you do to relieve some of the pressure will be helpful - cooking, cleaning, hanging the washing out, walking around with bubs - but in reality time to relax is the most priceless gift you can offer her. Whatever you do, make sure you leave the place as tidy, if not tidier than when you arrived... so if you're bringing a meal, at the end, clear it all away and do the washing-up/ set the dishwasher going. I also agree with Suzy on the water front. MiL gave DD some water when she was a couple of days old to help stave off the jaundice (the idea being it helps flush out the liver), but it shouldn't be prolonged and certainly shouldn't replace a milk feed (which it would do for a young baby). I'm not sure if her Drs are addressing this, but jaundice can also be treated with UV rays under medical supervision. Chin up to the both of you - it's a really tough time for the new mum and those who support her, but as baby grows up, these issues will fade and one day she'll be considering having another little bundle of... fun?
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:51
Hi Babylons I think that's a great idea to get your friend on the forum and reading the replies and better still she could even post how she is feeling as a way of stress relief which will positively help her. Maybe look for some parent and toddler groups near to her. She will probably see other mothers with new borns too and sympathetic mothers with toddlers who could also give her the moral support. Its the sleep deprivation and a colicy throwing up/ crying baby for the first few weeks that literally feels like torture :( I recommend your friend gets a baby bouncer or swinging chair to put the baby in from now to get out of the habit of being held. Unfortunatley I held my DS and he was attached to the hip for a good 2.5 years. With the next baby I had the baby bouncer facing me so baby could see me and I her. Atleast then I could have a cuppa !!
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:39
Babylons - why don't you print these posts out for your friend so she can see she is not alone!!!!
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:39
Hi Babylons, please tell her that her baby does not need extra water - it is empty calories for a baby so young. Mother's milk has loads of water, and too much water is not good for a baby. Not only can their little tunnies not handle it, but they spend their energy drinking something that does not help them grow - non-food. hen you go there, you need to get her on the side, away from her Mum and really TALK to her. PND can be really tough, and let her know that she has a tough baby to deal with, and most women struggle. Tell her that ALL women need help and that she should not be afraid to ask for it. Yes, yes, yes, sleep with the baby!! Tell her that when her baby sleeps, she can sleep too! Who cares if the dishes aren't done or the house is a mess! She needs to take care of herself so she can take care of the baby. Please ask her to see a doc for PND - this is very tough to deal with. Tell her that all the women from EW are thinking of her and sending her their best wishes!!!!
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:24
Nadia007, thanks so much also. I am hoping to persuade her eventually to go for walks with me - I live in Mirdif and she lives in Sharjah so its not easy for us to meet up. And she lives somewhere that is a maze to get in and out of! Lets hope your advise and reassurance can help her. Im even thinking now to get her to read this so she knows she is normal.
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:17
Hi It sounds just the way I was too with my first born. He had colic and would cry constantly (more or less) If I took him anywhere people would say there's something wrong with that baby he cries far too much whilst the doctors would re assure me he was fine. First 6 weeks was ****. Please assure your friend that after the 6 weeks things do get better as baby starts sleeping for longer. I also breastfed and had DS in bed with me. He would never sleep unless next to me or I was holding him. Maybe get your friend to go for walks with the baby in the pram..that usually helps the baby sleep and for her to have a change of scenery too and some fresh air. What I found out with my subsequent babies is that if I ate certain food the vomitting and colic would be worse and I found my culprit to be cows milk. I changed to soya milk and it really really helped the babies. Please ask your friend what she has been eating and her diet consists of: milk (dairy), spicy foods, onions all seem to make the vomitting worse. I think what Rancher said about taking some snacks and drinks will help and if ou make it a regular thing that you take over a nice coffee and cakes it will be something for her to look forward to. I know Iwould have. Lastly please re assure your friend what she is going through is quite normal...most of us have gone through it...seemed like **** at the time but passes and I promise it does get better as baby gets older but the first born is always the most difficult (in my opinion)
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:10
You are very kind. What's her mum doing to help her out? With our second child dh suggested bringing his mum over to help but I said "no thanks" ! Sometimes these helpful visitors impose more stress as it's an extra person to look after. I love Dr Sears his book is one of the "kindest" baby books I read. Everyone was telling me to let dd cry it out but I could not. Health visitor and other people were always asking if she was sleeping through and I'd get a lecture when I said she was still waking so a friend told me to tell a fib and say she was. It was great-no more leactures. Dr Sears has a section on fussy babys http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/fussy-baby/high-need-baby edited by A Rancher on 14/08/2011 <em>edited by A Rancher on 14/08/2011</em>
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:09
Thanks A Rancher, I really appreciate yours and everyones help. I will check back in after Wednesday and also see if I can get her Dr Sears book. I will google it, but I may have to read it for her! : )
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:08
I dont think she is fasting, I know before she had him she was going to breastfeed him and therefore knew she would not be fasting. But I will check. He is a gorgeous baby, so telling her he is, is very easy : ). Ive advised her now I will bring Iftar for everyone so that she knows she can have a rest in advance. Ive also offered to do anything she needs whether its washing, ironing, cleanign, shopping etc. And I will make sure I see her at least once a week. I have a busy work life so I cant go as much as I would like. She really deserves a break though. Ive offered to take her to the spa, when she is good and ready!
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 17:02
My first born was the same in that she cried if I put her down or anyone else held her. She did not sleep through till she was 18 months. I had the Dr Sears book and like Asti had her sleep with me. Just going over to your friend will be a great help. Unless she has a maid, maybe bring some food & coffees so your friend does not have to juggle preparing a snack and holding the baby. It will give her a nice break if you take the baby out as when people tried to hold dd I could not relax when I heard her crying. Encourage your friend to get a second opinion on the baby's reflux and maybe see a doc herself for pnd. Also tell her to switch off from her mum. Tell your friend that a lot of babies are difficult and that it does get better. I found the first few months seemed to really drag and it was a constant round of feeds, nappy changes and trying to get dd to sleep.
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 16:59
Is she fasting? Even if it is just her husband and mother fasting perhaps take something over in the evenings to eat, ask to cuddle the baby, tell her how beautiful he is, how fabulous she is looking etc.
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 16:56
Thanks. Ive been in touch on sms, and offered to help but she doesnt come back with anything, just about how down she is. Im happy Ive managed to get her to agree for me to come over and she did say thanks for remembering her! Poor girl. Asti, I will let her know what you have said re him sleeping with her in her bed, hopefully both will get some sleep at some point this way! She is a strong, stubborn woman, and its heartbreaking to see/hear her suffering. Im going to ensure that I organise their dinner for Wednesday evening, take some little gifts for her and her son, and offer to do whatever she needs/wants. My problem is that her mum is there and is supposed to behelping her and I dont want to upset mum either!
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 16:52
Oh dear,she is not coping well at all. To be honest it kind of sounds like me when I had my firstborn. I had no one to help me and my husband out of the country most of the time. My LO also had reflux and was also breastfed. Zantac helps with the reflux. The doctor has to prescribe it but it doesnt take it away totally. They usually outgrow it at 9 months. I let my baby sleep with me in my bed so that I could breastfeed him on demand and that way I didnt have to get up and feed him. That helped a lot for me. I know there are people who look down upon this practice but Dr.Sears recommends attachment parenting too. It worked great for me and my baby. I hope your friend finds a solution for herself. It can be a very tough and challenging time. She is lucky to have such a good friend.
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Latest post on 14 August 2011 - 16:51
Send her a text and say Id love to help you, what can I do?
 
 

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