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Not her again...question about the KHDA & starting kids in Term 3 of school

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EW GURU
Latest post on 21 January 2011 - 04:48

Sorry to keep bombarding you all with questions. Hopefully at some point I can pass the knowledge transfer on to other newbies.

This one is a question about getting kids into schools - particularly at the beginning of your Term 3. I've spoken to a shool registrar over there who intimated that it was by no means a fait accompli that my children would be able to start 1 May. In fact, I was told it was "at the whim of the KHDA" and that they may not be able to start until September.

Another parent has told me that the above was consistent with her experience, though that was some years ago, so perhaps not as many school options in Dubai...

If this happens to us, adn taking into account the Australian school terms, it would mean my children would be almost 5 months without school and almost surely a drop in grade for them upon return to Australia which obviously we don't want. It would also impact their ability to settle in Dubai, make friends etc etc.

What has been your experience in getting your kids enrolled and starting in schools in Term 3 of the Dubai year? Has anyone had any problems with this and had to wait till September?

In case it is relevant, my children are primary aged - 5 and 9.
TIA

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 24 January 2011 - 10:34
Back to the original question. I contacted the KHDA in December with this very question. They were very helpful and replied quickly. They told us they do not allow transferring between schools in Dubai for the third term but they take other circumstances on a case by case basis. If you children are not yet at school in Dubai I can't see it being a problem. Suggest you email/call the KHDA. Also I know that Repton have a Year 1 place available for the start of Term 3 as we are leaving the country.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 24 January 2011 - 09:37
Claire i'm well aware of the schooling available in Dubai and the UK thankyou for your concern, i'm also well aware that a few posters on here seem to say completely different things in person to what is posted, was actually dumbfounded on a secondary thread recently by one posters comments. Yes you have always stated your two are happy and you have been happy with the teachers you have had. This intrigues me.. How can you recognise people you meet as EW posters and do they know you know who they are ?? And how do you get to meet so many anyway - i've never yet met any EW members (apart from a friend who i met before i knew about EW lol)...
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 23 January 2011 - 11:52
JJ - Ouch! MissUnderstood - Yes, unfortunately Claire will find out later on. Her children are small now, but as they grow the cracks in the school will become more apparent. Gleeky, please do not read too much into anything the KHDA say or do, I know soooooooooooooooo much but am unable to repeat it. If you are happy then that is important, but if that changes, at any time, then you must re-assess your situation.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 23 January 2011 - 11:45
I'm simply showing that it's easy to make broad statements about both sides of the argument. I didn't say I agreed with the KHDA findings or whatever else. Really, all children are different. Claire's situation show's that -- so much Repton bashing, but her kids love it there and there are 2 young sisters in my building that love it there as well. So in my "experience" of Repton, I don't have anything bad to say...but many people do. Do I really have the right to say it's a bad school just because of the gossip mill on EW? I just wish more people were more cautious about how absolute their general statements are about these schools. If there were standardized testings to indicate which schools had better performing children, I could understand. But really most of what is being said is hearsay often and 2nd hand accounts. I bet you can find happy parents and thriving children at almost all schools that are flagged here as "bad" schools. Absolutely Gleek, you can't possibly judge the IQ of the parents in all the schools.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 23 January 2011 - 11:35
I am a SEN teacher and taught at 2 profitmaking schools and 1 non-profit school in Dubai. Our children attended one of the profitmakings schools and we moved them to be with me in the non-profit school. The differences we experienced was huge, from academics to sport, profile and qualifications of teachers to resources, stability of staff to consistency of teaching. The non-profit school offered an education that the other two would never be able to match since the very foundations and ethos of the schools are so different. People will mostly be happy if their children are happy but unless moms have something to compare with, they don't know what they miss out on. Sorry Claire that is a fact. You simply don't know that R is offering sub-standard schooling. What they offer does not qualify for education in my books.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 22:57
I'm simply showing that it's easy to make broad statements about both sides of the argument. I didn't say I agreed with the KHDA findings or whatever else. Really, all children are different. Claire's situation show's that -- so much Repton bashing, but her kids love it there and there are 2 young sisters in my building that love it there as well. So in my "experience" of Repton, I don't have anything bad to say...but many people do. Do I really have the right to say it's a bad school just because of the gossip mill on EW? I just wish more people were more cautious about how absolute their general statements are about these schools. If there were standardized testings to indicate which schools had better performing children, I could understand. But really most of what is being said is hearsay often and 2nd hand accounts. I bet you can find happy parents and thriving children at almost all schools that are flagged here as "bad" schools.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 22:22
Good advice about KHDA, what a waste of time and resources. Unless, of course, you have been brought in to get a school through to OUTSTANDING - with huge BONUS attached!! Very interesting, care to expand?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 21:30
Gleeky Please dismiss the KHDA ratings. These prove nothing at all. Totally agree.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 21:29
Good advice about KHDA, what a waste of time and resources. Unless, of course, you have been brought in to get a school through to OUTSTANDING - with huge BONUS attached!! Totally agree.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 21:29
ASD would have got outstanding except they failed in Islamic (they didn't offer any) ASD is Govt owned.: Well, they still got GOOD. UAS would have got outstanding except they failed ... something else! lol ASD is not Govt owned, it's private: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g248/dlvdm/asdcategory.jpg Sorry, but that is incorrect. Conoco used to own ASD. when they pulled out of DPC, then the school had no owner and reverted back to govt. It is a compicated arrangement but I am 100% sure of it as DH prepared their ownership transfer papers. ASD should make sure KHDA change it on their website then. What are they waiting for?
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 20:09
Gleeky Please dismiss the KHDA ratings. These prove nothing at all.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 20:06
ASD would have got outstanding except they failed in Islamic (they didn't offer any) ASD is Govt owned.: Well, they still got GOOD. UAS would have got outstanding except they failed ... something else! lol ASD is not Govt owned, it's private: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g248/dlvdm/asdcategory.jpg Sorry, but that is incorrect. Conoco used to own ASD. when they pulled out of DPC, then the school had no owner and reverted back to govt. It is a compicated arrangement but I am 100% sure of it as DH prepared their ownership transfer papers.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:58
I think a good example of how there are exceptions to every rule is the feedback we hear about Star International Schools. That's an FP school (with a couple of branches) and parents are very happy with it. They seem to run things similarly like NP schools (ie small class sizes, family atmosphere) -- and parents are loving it! :) But to simply say NP schools are better than FP schools here, it's just too broad a statement to make. For example: - 2 schools made the KHDA/DSIB "Outstanding" ranking: Wellington International and Kings. Neither are NP. - Both JESS schools were downgraded from "Outstanding" to "Good" this past year. - None of the other NP schools improved in standing. On the other hand: - Both private schools that achieved "Outstanding" rankings are FP schools. - Several schools improved their standing: UAS, Dubai British School, Dubai International Academy, EIS - Jumeirah, GEMS Royal Dubai School & World Academy, etc. See how easy it would be to "prove" the point that FP schools are doing better than NP schools? That's not my opinion, but it's easily shown if that's what I wanted to show. Instead I am only saying that it's misleading to say what you are saying, how you are saying it.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:54
ASD would have got outstanding except they failed in Islamic (they didn't offer any) ASD is Govt owned.: Well, they still got GOOD. UAS would have got outstanding except they failed ... something else! lol ASD is not Govt owned, it's private: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g248/dlvdm/asdcategory.jpg
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:50
Gleeky, I am glad you are happy with your school, because that is what is most important. I cannot stand to hear people complaining but doing nothing. Or those who move their kids from school to school, but never finding the right one. They are usually avoiding higher fees or a longer drive. Something has usually gotta give. I have a long drive to school, from one side of town to the other, but it is a small sacrifice. I used to do 2 schools, so things are improving.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:47
I always wonder how bad a school has to be to get unsatisfactory.:( makes ones toes curl
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:46
I always wonder how bad a school has to be to get unsatisfactory.:(
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:43
ASD is a better school than UAS. Nah it's not more complex at all, it's a no brainer. why??!! btw, they're BOTH [b'>PROFIT SCHOOLS[/b'> and (for what it's worth) got [b'>GOOD[/b'> at the KHDA inspection). ASD: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g248/dlvdm/asd.jpg UAS: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g248/dlvdm/uas.jpg edited by cyzv on 22/01/2011 ASD would have got outstanding except they failed in Islamic (they didn't offer any) ASD is Govt owned.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:24
ASD is a better school than UAS. Nah it's not more complex at all, it's a no brainer. why??!! Why not? Because i am in a completely obnoxious mood and love winding Gleek up.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:21
ASD is a better school than UAS. Nah it's not more complex at all, it's a no brainer. why??!! btw, they're BOTH [b'>PROFIT SCHOOLS[/b'> and (for what it's worth) got [b'>GOOD[/b'> at the KHDA inspection). ASD: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g248/dlvdm/asd.jpg UAS: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g248/dlvdm/uas.jpg <em>edited by cyzv on 22/01/2011</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:17
ASD is a better school than UAS. Nah it's not more complex at all, it's a no brainer. Ditto
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:15
Gleeky, yes we have access to auditors reports, and we get sent an annual thingy( can't remember what it is called) and NP schools are only those who were granted their licenses by the late Sheikh Rashid, so essentially are govt owned, but without involvement (besides the regular KHDA/MOE stuff). Plus, I have always known someone who was personally on the board of Governors for all of the schools we have used (my father used to be on the board of one of them).
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:13
ASD is a better school than UAS. Nah it's not more complex at all, it's a no brainer.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:12
@SQ Sorry, I knew you moved from one type to another...just didn't remember correctly that it was AC to BC (and not FP to NP).
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:10
Still waiting for someone to say: a) who audits the schools b) who authorizes and regulates non-profits (not just schools, this is a general question) c) if the school publishes or has available it's financials for public viewing I'm tired of people blindly making statements because it's the popular viewpoint. If it's the truth -- GREAT. But as I said, it's misleading to tell people to say there's "quite a difference" between NP and FP schools. As someone who was looking for an American curriculum at first, I would feel like it's ASD or nothing. DS was guaranteed a spot at ASD through work connections AND our tuition is paid for by DH's company. We CHOSE not to send DS to ASD...but according to your blanket statement, ASD is hands down a better school than UAS because ASD is NP! How would you know? I'm not being snarky...but how is one to really know unless your child was in it. Not your friend's child..but your child. Since all children respond different in school and with different teaching methods. It's a [u'>much more complex decision[/u'> to make than just choosing between NP and FP. That is the point I'm making and one that is quite valid.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 19:04
Gleeky, no, I have not used FP schools. I have changed my kids (and myself!) from US to UK curriculum schools here in Dubai and have used all of the NP schools except for JAPS over the last 35 years. I have never known a parent to be unhappy with JAPS, so I shall add that to my list of great NP schools. I have, on the other hand, heard so many conflicting views on FP schools. Usually they only get great reviews when the parents have not had the opportunity of using a NP school, and are perhaps comparing it to their own education. No schools in Dubai are excellent and for secondary education I have to say without any doubt that DC is the best. So in this case I prefer to judge a school on other things, mostly where they put their money. Yes, for Americans ASD is best, and it happens to be NP. Most of the children attending ASD are company funded, so the cost is not usually an issue. Of course, location is, especially now their campus has moved. If, for any reason I had to pull my kids out of their current school then I would U-turn and go back to ASD.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 18:34
It's not naive, really where do you come up with such statements. I have children in both Profit and NP, and i can tell you straight the difference is amazing. Granted the NP is in the UK where Schools are heavily regulated and audited. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the calculations. The average KS2 class makes a million Dhs a year, now do the maths and you can soon tell if there are gaps or not. Don't think there are many parents who are going to agree with you on this.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 18:21
Hmmm, nope can't agree at all Gleeky. By definition a profit school wil not be putting every penny back into the school and main focus is not education. It's really naive to think that people aren't making money at a NP. Let's be clear, non profits don't put all the money EARNED into the school...it puts the net after paying EVERYONE and EVERYTHING back into the school. Do parents get to see where all the money goes? Who audits the NPs ... one of the big audit companies? And I ask this because I don't know...but who actually sets the technical/legal terms for what is considered "non profit"? In the US, it's a government issue as there are tax (and legal) implications involved. But here, who "approves" the NP status? I've asked this before, but can't remember if it was answered or not. Also, remember...I never said NP schools aren't good. I am simply saying that I'm tired of hearing from people how superior it is...when they themselves have never actually had children in BOTH types of schools. It's really stressful as a prospective parent, as we all want the best for our children. Imagine, for American families, it's ASD or nothing then...and if you don't live close to ASD or can't afford it, then we feel 2nd best is what we are giving our children. That just doesn't sit well with me.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 18:06
Hmmm, nope can't agree at all Gleeky. By definition a profit school wil not be putting every penny back into the school and main focus is not education.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 22 January 2011 - 17:53
But SQ, aren't you one of the FEW people who can form an opinion about both types of schools? If I remember correctly you moved from a FP to NP right? I didn't say that NP schools are bad or even anything close to that notion. However, to say that point blank, NP schools are better than NP schools, it's not a fair comparison (in fact, I can't compare it as I don't have experience w/ NP here). There are very good FP schools here and one shouldn't be scared of going to one simply because it's FP. If people would stop generalizing this comment and giving specific x school vs. x school comparisons, then I can respect it more. It would be like me comparing UAS and DAA. Shall I say DAA is awful because GEMS has a bad admin reputation? No...in fact, from what I understand, DAA is an excellent school. But I only comment on schools I have actual (not reported) experience in...as I think that's only fair to the school.
 
 

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