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B/f questions - when to reduce feeds, when to add cow's milk etc?

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Latest post on 22 November 2011 - 14:56
we're a bit sloppy with feeding schedules I must admit, but very very roughly; 7am, wake up, BF and breakfast (rice pudding and fruit) 10/11am good sized snack (usually fruit, i.e a whole banana or a pear and sometimes a yoghurt) 11am BF and down for a nap 2/3pm BF and lunch (scrambled eggs, dahl, etc) 4pm BF (not scheduled, but whenever he asks for it) 5:30 dinner (meat and veg of some description) 7pm BF and bed To be honest I often give fresh fruit or vegetable snacks throughout the day and BF on demand so there are more BFs than that, I also give him water as often as he wants it. I guess I give a "split" lunch or more like 4 meals a day as he sleeps through the middle of the day, so I make sure he has a good sized snack before his nap and [b'>try[/b'> and remember to feed him as soon as he wakes up so its not too close to dinner. I find if he doesn't eat before his nap he doesn't sleep as long so even when his nap was at 10am (at around 12 months) I gave him a snack just before he went down. Breakfast and dinner are in the highchair but the 2 lunches are often just me stuffing his mouth while he plays. :) HTH
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Latest post on 22 November 2011 - 14:10
Just to update, we did put her to bed at 5:30pm recently on a day when she had only had one nap, and although she did get up for more feeds, she slept better, did not cry and was not as restless :) We're still on 2 naps on some days and for the moment she seems to sleep better with that, but the days when we have afternoon activities (we do swimming lessons and The Little Gym once a week each in the afternoons), it becomes harder to squeeze that second nap in, so on those days it's an earlier bed time. Kiwispiers - as a matter of curiosity, what schedule do you follow for mealtimes/bf for your DS? I ask as i am having a hard time fitting it all in on the days with the earlier bedtime!
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Latest post on 17 November 2011 - 19:49
The one or two times when she didn't take an afternoon nap at all, she slept very badly at night - crying and restless and woke up more than usual so that makes me think she needs even a little 20-30 minute nap in the afternoon. However, I have not tried putting her to bed at or before 6pm (earliest has been 6:30pm) so will give that a try too! Thanks again :)
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Latest post on 17 November 2011 - 12:17
When we dropped to one nap, bedtime was shifted earlier. Why don't you try one nap, at 10am and then bedtime before/by 6pm (she'll be tired, try an afternoon trip to the park to pep her up a bit). You've got nothing to lose. ;)
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Latest post on 17 November 2011 - 10:31
I'm having a real hard time figuring out DD's naps! She has recently started fighting her afternoon naps, which makes me think that she is ready to go down to just one nap. She goes down easily for her morning nap, and that is very often at 9am. She'll GENERALLY nap for 1.5 hrs in the morning, sometimes going up to 2 hours. But if she's up at 11am, there's no way she can go up to 7pm as it's just too long a gap. So if she gets tired late afternoon, I'll let her nap for 20-30 mins and then just put her to bed at around 7:30pm or 8pm. Of course, it changes all the time - yesterday she woke up a little later than usual, so didn't go down for a nap until 10am - we thought she'll sleep for a good 2 hours, but after 30 minutes she was up and about! So then she slept again at about 1:30pm for an hour and 15 minutes which was fine.
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Latest post on 17 November 2011 - 09:22
It will happen when she is ready I promise :). I did just remember though that just before DS was 12 months he dropped to one nap (we missed the nap one day and once I saw how much better he slept we went with that), it made an immediate difference to his sleep and it just got better from there (with a few relapses from time to time). Most kids seem to drop the morning nap but for us it was the afternoon nap that went. He now naps between 11 and 2, we gradually pushed the morning nap to 10am and then 11.
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Latest post on 16 November 2011 - 23:28
Thanks ladies! The interrupted sleep is not fun by any means but I try to just take it one day at a time and all of a sudden it's been a year already :) Most of the time, she'll wake up and go straight back to sleep once she goes on the b**b so it's not too bad, and luckily I have good help at home, so I catch up on some sleep in the morning. And yes, I keep hoping one of these days she'll surprise us and stop waking up in the night for her feeds. Flymum - thanks for the suggestion, but in the past I did try up to 8oz dream feeds of expressed milk and really found no difference in her sleep or the number of times she wakes up. I did also for a while try night time formula just to see if it changes anything and it didn't, so I just figured I'll go with it and one of these days she'll be ready to sleep through the night. As I've mentioned on here before, she's super active during the day and so really has very little milk throughout the day and when she does, it's really just a snack, so I am happy for her to feed at night since I know that way she's getting her necessary supply of bm. Kiwispiers - I haven't taken her in for an official weigh-in etc recently but she's around 11.5kgs and quite a tall baby and has been growing consistently so I'm quite sure she's on the right track. She also eats 3 good meals a day + a snack in between so she's getting sufficient solids. I'm not quite ready to wean her off bm completely yet (isn't it supposed to be the other way round - that she's not ready to be weaned off yet ;) ) so I think I'll start introducing more dairy into her daily diet. I have already used cheese, milk and butter when cooking her food so I'll start giving her a little milk in sippy cups to see how she likes it. I guess my main question was whether I should be giving her bottles of milk and whether they should be substituting a feed, but I think that's been answered now so thank you :) <em>edited by GreenQueen on 16/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 16 November 2011 - 22:21
DS is 15 months and I use cows milk in cooking and started giving him a little yoghurt recently, I don't often give him cheese or milk drinks. The only reason you would cut BFs and replace them with cows milk is if you wanted to wean. Obviously from a nutritional standpoint BM is better than any cows milk products and WHO recommends you aim for 2 years + if you can manage. When you do decide to wean then you can directly replace BFs with milk feeds, or just include dairy products in her diet in general and give extra water drinks as well. I demand feed, and would BF at least 6 times a day (they are mostly little snacky feeds, more or less whenever he is thirsty or bangs his head and needs comfort) but thankfully he now doesn't need any feeding in the night (although I was still feeding him a few times in the night until around the 12 month mark and then he just dropped them by himself without intervention from me). Some days he feeds a lot and others hardly at all. I recently started giving the occasional drink of cows milk, from a regular cup or a sippy cup, I give maybe 50-100 mLm maybe once a week. I don't give it instead of any breastfeeds as I'm happy to continue BFing for now, so its more to introduce him to it and watch for any reaction to it. I have recently (last few weeks) started gently removing the association of feeding and sleep, so now I don't BF right before his nap and at some point I'll stop feeding him as part of his bedtime routine. (I always give it if he asks for it though). So long as your LO is eating a reasonable amount of solids and is sticking fairly close to her curve (using the BF babies charts) there is no reason not to continue to BF as often as your LO wants. If you thought that milk was filling her too much for solids you could consider giving less (and not replacing the BF with a cows milk feed obviously) there are conflicting points of view as to how much of her diet should be milk based at this point. Personally I'm in favour of trusting that your LO will instinctively take as much milk and solids as is individually right for her and not to mess with that all that much. You might find this link helpful http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/toddler-foods.html it gives some guidelines as to the percentage of your child diet coming from milk vs solids etc, as well as advice about introducing cows milk. Don't stress too much that the night feeding will last forever, or think that you have to wean completely to fix the night sleep I surveyed a lot of mums who had breastfed toddlers and most of them saw the night feeding stopped naturally by around the 15 month mark.
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Latest post on 16 November 2011 - 21:18
My LO is 7 1/2months old but Ive been wondering how much milk he should be taking now that he's on solids. So Ive been checking into this and spoke to two lactation consultants today. Both said it depends on the baby. Anything over 450mls is fine if they really likes solids & they are getting enough nutrients, going up to 900mls if they dont eat much. I was told that translates to roughly 3 daytime feeds and a dreamfeed if they need it, this is till around 9 months. Then they would only have 2 daytime feeds & a dreamfeed if they need it until one year. Then if they tolerate dairy well it would depend on how much cheese, yogurt, cereal with milk etc that they get. It should all work out to at least 500mls plus a day. That sounds about right, i was given the same advice! You've just explained it better :)
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Latest post on 16 November 2011 - 21:14
Wow!! Well done on feeding for so long when you have to get up that much during the night. My LO is 7 1/2months old but Ive been wondering how much milk he should be taking now that he's on solids. So Ive been checking into this and spoke to two lactation consultants today. Both said it depends on the baby. Anything over 450mls is fine if they really likes solids & they are getting enough nutrients, going up to 900mls if they dont eat much. I was told that translates to roughly 3 daytime feeds and a dreamfeed if they need it, this is till around 9 months. Then they would only have 2 daytime feeds & a dreamfeed if they need it until one year. Then if they tolerate dairy well it would depend on how much cheese, yogurt, cereal with milk etc that they get. It should all work out to at least 500mls plus a day. I express for his dreamfeed as my husband loves the chance to feed him, and also so I know how much he's had to ensure he's full enough to sleep through the night. Have you tried a dreamfeed? I dont know if it would help you, but my LO has been having a 10pm feed whilst he's totally asleep since he was less than 3 months old, and he's never once woken up during the night since. So maybe if you havn't tried it, its worth giving it a go. Also I would stick to a sippy cup at one yr old if you can get away with it. Hope any of that helps. Brilliant job on making it to one year. I bet you have a beautiful healthy little one :)
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Latest post on 16 November 2011 - 21:08
GQ - from what i have read, 1yr old seems to be the average age to wean them onto cows milk! I am starting next month (and i think so are you) and will move it straight into a cup! My DD is on 3 feeds a day (she is FF however), but before she was weaned onto formula, she was on 3 breastfeeds already (i just replaced them with formula). 9am (before morning nap), 2pm (before afternoon nap) and 7pm - these were her breastfeeds from around 8 months on... There are a couple of books and sites i am following when i start the "cows milk" weaning, so i have not fully figured out my game plan yet! HTH?
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Latest post on 16 November 2011 - 20:35
DD has just turned 1 and I am still exclusively BF. She generally has about 6 feeds in a 24 hour period (of which 3-4 are between 7pm and 7am still :\: ). Those of you who are advocates of continued bf, when did you start introducing cow's milk to your babies and do you give that as a replacement to BM or along with it? Should I be reducing the number of b-feeds by this age? DD has been getting small amounts of cow's milk in her food for a couple months now and seems to tolerate it well, but am just not sure how (and what quantity!) to start giving it to her in a bottle or sippy cup?
 
 

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