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In a big mess!

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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 18:06

Please help.

My 6.5month old has gone from her own natural sleep schedule of 9pm to 9am from pretty much birth, I used to have to wake her up for feeds to now going to bed at 2am, waking up every 2 hours and then actually up for the day at 11am. I don't know how this happened, it's been 5 weeks now.

Problem number two. She went from (again from birth) taking the boob and bottle happily, whenever and also formula top up's when needed. Now, she won't have any of it, no bottles (just decided one day she won't have a bottle). I've researched and followed all the tips and nothing works. I've done it all. I'm just trying to see if there is something here that might be the answer. Maybe something I've missed?

Sigh - I don't want to bf any longer!
<em>edited by N.Kaye on 21/08/2011</em>

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Latest post on 29 August 2011 - 09:31
she's still young, many babies aren't ready for solids until more like 9 months, don't push it but let her be around food a lot so she can let you know when she is ready. Try offering something very sweet (peach and banana puree) off your finger tip, its less threatening than the spoon and if she isn't keen back off for the day.
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Latest post on 28 August 2011 - 23:57
Thanks guys. I've managed from the time I wrote this post to now, to bring her bedtime to 11pm. It's been incredibly difficult and I've had to just set her wind down back in 10 min increments. Sllllllloooowly getting there. This is the only way it's working for her/me. Secondly!!! Nooo luck or progress with cups/straws/sippy cups nada, nothing. Still ebf. I'm hoping she'll be ready for some solids soon, tried already but she went mad at the spoon. Blimey! One step at a time eh! I have a flight to catch - and now she won't accept the nursing cover lol. Guess I'll be flashing on my flight :s edited by N.Kaye on 28/08/2011 <em>edited by N.Kaye on 29/08/2011</em>
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Latest post on 27 August 2011 - 13:01
aah, might hav been wrong then. And each baby is different. Mine uses her sippy cup as a watering can to give herself a nice little shower ;)
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Latest post on 27 August 2011 - 10:38
and i read somewhere that you should not introduce sippycups with milk in them, because then babies will refuse bottles and BFing. Try telling that to my two! DD never accepted a bottle (not for want of trying) but had a sippy cup from 5 months and carried on bf until 12 months. DS did take a bottle, but then I thought "what's the point?!", so stopped using one at around 4 months, started on the sippy cup at around 6 and he carried on bf until 13 months. No issues at all. Breastfed babies actually take to cups quicker (in general... apparently) than bottle-fed babies because the mouth and tongue positioning are similar.
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Latest post on 27 August 2011 - 02:36
and i read somewhere that you should not introduce sippycups with milk in them, because then babies will refuse bottles and BFing.
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Latest post on 27 August 2011 - 02:33
try giving her a nice, warm bath at around 10 pm. Then feed her and put her in the cot. If she makes a fuss, let her and don't pick her up immediately. She will hopefully get tired in a few minutes. Then offer her a bottle. Again, hopefully she'll take it. Leave the room. Hopefully she'll fall asleep. I know those are a lot of 'hopefullys' ;) but if it works, great :) i do this with my 6 month old DD. She, like your DD, has slept through the night since birth. Used to have to wake her up to feed her. She has changed her sleep schedule to about exactly like your little one's since the last 3-4 days. Maybe its a 6 month thing :\: Hopefully, it will pass. Fingers crossed! :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 August 2011 - 08:30
this has happened to us when we've returned from the UK, DD not going to sleep till after 10pm and then waking up for the day after 10am... I've left it a few days and enjoyed the lie ins and then woken her up at 7am, this has got her back on track.
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 21:29
Lol I can't handle her screaming hysterical crying when I leave the room. It just doesn't stop so I can forget about any chance of her settling without me. I'm personally not for leaving her alone to cry, just not playing or turning on the light.
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 21:26
and while we're all agreeing with each other, I also agree with a much earlier bedtime, (and with lights off, no playtime after that time, regardless of how often she wakes up.) DS (12 months) is also in bed by 6:30, up by 7am Personally I would tackle one issue at a time, get sleeping sorted, then battle weaning from the boob, a tired LO is not going to be all that co-operative with sippy cups etc. 6.30 to 7 - I am green with envy! edited by N.Kaye on 21/08/2011 lol, I didn't say without wake-ups along the way. We have a bonding session at some stage between 10pm and 2am most nights. He was a great sleeper until 5 1/2 months old, when we returned from vacation in NZ , try a 10 hour time difference!
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 21:13
and while we're all agreeing with each other, LOL!! Hang in there, N.Kaye! Take each day as it comes and stick with it. Please keep us updated!
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:52
Lol I can't handle her screaming hysterical crying when I leave the room. It just doesn't stop so I can forget about any chance of her settling without me.
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:43
and while we're all agreeing with each other, I also agree with a much earlier bedtime, (and with lights off, no playtime after that time, regardless of how often she wakes up.) DS (12 months) is also in bed by 6:30, up by 7am Personally I would tackle one issue at a time, get sleeping sorted, then battle weaning from the boob, a tired LO is not going to be all that co-operative with sippy cups etc. 6.30 to 7 - I am green with envy! edited by N.Kaye on 21/08/2011 hehe - it has its downsides - my two came in to wake me up, as usual, at about 6h20 this morning... I'd love a lie-in until 10h, but I also know that when nursery starts up again, they're going to have to be out the door at 8h, so it's better that they're perkier earlier. As for at night, even your presence in the room will interest her. I once got an agency babysitter who took "babysitting" very literally and sat in the room while my two were supposedly going to sleep - they thought it hilarious fun, especially when she hid behind the curtains and didn't drift off until about 22h30!
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:35
and while we're all agreeing with each other, I also agree with a much earlier bedtime, (and with lights off, no playtime after that time, regardless of how often she wakes up.) DS (12 months) is also in bed by 6:30, up by 7am Personally I would tackle one issue at a time, get sleeping sorted, then battle weaning from the boob, a tired LO is not going to be all that co-operative with sippy cups etc. 6.30 to 7 - I am green with envy! <em>edited by N.Kaye on 21/08/2011</em>
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:34
and while we're all agreeing with each other, I also agree with a much earlier bedtime, (and with lights off, no playtime after that time, regardless of how often she wakes up.) DS (12 months) is also in bed by 6:30, up by 7am Personally I would tackle one issue at a time, get sleeping sorted, then battle weaning from the boob, a tired LO is not going to be all that co-operative with sippy cups etc.
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:34
Gulp. Here goes. Tomorrow wake up 10am, Tuesday 9.30am Wednesday 9am and so on until I get to a good and normal (for us) 7am wake. Ok, bracing myself for a very difficult week. I appreciate the support :) <em>edited by N.Kaye on 21/08/2011</em>
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:29
This all started 1 week after I got back here. It didn't register until a few days ago, that although this happened a week after we returned from England - it must be it. yeah... 3 hours time difference, 21h usual bedtime... if you'd been sticking to that, or a tad later because you were on holiday, then yes, it would come back to 24h+ Dubai time. When I come back from the UK, I actually forcibly stick to by-the-clock timings and pretend that jet-lag didn't exist. It gets the kids back into their normal routine in about 48 hours, but I noticed that DD would be tantrummy for about 10 days after a change of scene. As for the drinking, if she's not currently getting all her milk feeds, then you should give her milk, not water. If she's well stoked on milk, then by all means give her water... or milk!
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:09
*blushing* H.A.K ;) Completely agree with Kiwispiers!
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 20:07
Personally, I would wake her at 7am, 8 at the latest, feed her as much as possible, take her outside into the sunlight and have very active play, even if she has to go down for a nap an hour later. She will be very tired but you are never going to reset her body clock with an 11am uptime, or even 10am.
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 19:42
Excuse the typos - writing on phone
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 19:40
This all started 1 week after I got back here. It didn't register until a few days ago, that although this happened a week after we returned from England - it must be it. She naps during the day fine. About 40 mins nap 3 times a day. She just took a sip of water - all be it a tiny one from a baby cup!!!!!!!! Should I stick with water fir a while before I attempt formula?? I guess so right :s Oh and till 2am, every night were together in the bedroom and she happily rolls around the covers, will coo and Ahh, giggle for ages. All while Im ignoring her. I think I'll need forget the kiddie light and just turn the lights right off. She will scream the roof down though.
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 19:27
Another question - how do I go from her random 2am bedtime to a much earlier one? Where do I start? Thank you, thank you I'll probably get shot down for this, but this is my advice... For her to have any chance of going to bed earlier in the evening she needs to wake earlier in the morning. My advice is you will need to wake her. I completely agree! N.Kaye - go back to her original nap timings and regardless of when she goes to sleep this evening, wake her at her "usual" morning time... then put her down for a nap at her "usual" times... then bed at her usual time. She's at a great age where she will sleep if she's tired and so yes, sometimes you do need to reset the body-clock and get back into her normal groove. She's probably not attempting to drop a nap yet, so it sounds as if it's just an unexplained blip... the thing is that a 2am bedtime isn't acceptable for anyone really, let alone a little lass who needs her sleep! I don't know what you've been doing with her from 21h to 2h up until now, but you've got to really reinforce that nobody plays at night, not even mummies, so keep bedtime quiet and relaxed with minimal fuss and lighting. As for her drinking... hmmm... well, she has to drink, so it's either breast, bottle, cup or spoon. There has to be a bit of compromise on both sides, so you have to decide what you're happy with and then give her the choice. You could try a cup with a straw - kids seem to drink anything with a straw! Also, if these 2 things have happened at the same time, is there anything that could have happened to upset her at all (relative leaving, you starting work, new carer, moving house, illness...)... just wondering if there was something, it may be worth addressing that and seeing if the rest settles back down. Also, and this may just be because I'm British, but 21h seems awfully late for a baby's bedtime - DS (2 yrs) goes to bed at 18h30/19h and DD (4yrs) at 19h/19h30... and they both get up at around 7h in the morning. <em>edited by Hello.Again.Kitty on 21/08/2011</em>
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 19:21
Be prepared for a long day, she may be cranky for being woken heaps earlier than normal. Just remember, you are doing this for her. How much daytime sleep does she have?
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 19:18
No, no shooting down as I have done reading till my eyes go dry and think this may be the only way. Will have to try this out of no other choice. Tomorrow I'll wake her at 10.30 and pray pray pray this works. Thank you.
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 19:10
Another question - how do I go from her random 2am bedtime to a much earlier one? Where do I start? Thank you, thank you I'll probably get shot down for this, but this is my advice... For her to have any chance of going to bed earlier in the evening she needs to wake earlier in the morning. My advice is you will need to wake her. It won't be easy, but if you can start having her wake earlier in the mornings then she'll be ready to go to bed earlier in the evenings. It won't happen over night, but with perseverance hopefully you'll successfully shift her pattern to a more healthier time for her. Good luck!! edited to add: Do it gradually, each day. Maybe move her wake up time half hour or 1 hour earlier each day or every other day... <em>edited by shellly on 21/08/2011</em>
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 18:49
I've tried (and failed) with sippy cups. I tried a soft tip one from Just Kidding and a regular one from tommee tippie. I will try again as today was a nightmare and couldn't get it past her lips without her bulking :s So I'll try again :( Another question - how do I go from her random 2am bedtime to a much earlier one? Where do I start? Thank you, thank you
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 18:36
Does she have a dummy or do you feed her to sleep? Both of these can start to surface at sleeping issues from around the 4 month mark. Try the cup as HAK says, and try offering the bottle when she is sleepy and relaxed (and not necessarily hungry).
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Latest post on 21 August 2011 - 18:27
Put her to bed earlier, don't play with her at all from the moment you turn the lights out (by all means go in to pat, shush and soothe, but no fun stuff!) and stick to your guns. Her new routine is all out and she's compensating for the lack of sleep by sleeping late in the morning - 6 months going on 16 years! As for bottles... it's no biggie. Use sippy cups. As long as you're getting the milk in somehow, that's all that matters. DD never liked bottles so was onto sippy cups from about 5 months, although I did continue to breastfeed her until she self-weaned at 12 months... but milk can go into sippy cups too. I hope this helps!
 
 

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