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House prices in Dubai hit rock bottom ?

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 August 2011 - 13:51

Hi

I am wondering if you think house prices have hit rock bottom yet in Dubai? Prices seems to have fallen quite significantly.

Any suggestions as to where the best place to buy would be for investment?

Ta

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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 22:00
But isn't the UAE's crime categorisation somewhat different from the West's? Drinking without a licence (or drinking water during daylight in Ramadan).......and let's not even go down the road of illegal finger gestures,let alone s#xual behaviour outwith marriage And then there is the whole bounced check, overstaying of visa issue......if the UAE's crime figures include these it would certainly skew the figures. Crime rates and and an accurate assessment of their impact on public safety do depend on the local interpretation of what is deemed crimininal. <em>edited by Livelytrish on 19/08/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 20:49
United Arab Emirates 2011 OSAC Crime and Safety Report: Abu Dhabi Overall Crime and Safety Situation Abu Dhabi’s general [b'>crime level is rated at medium [/b'>based on open source reporting, U.S. Embassy Abu Dhabi’s Regional Security Office (RSO) incident reporting file, and contacts with other embassy officials and private citizens. However, [b'>the actual crime rate is difficult to measure due to host government’s policy of not releasing specific crime statistics[/b'> The crime rate is medium even without all the statistics being released by the government. This is rather worrying.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 20:14
I asked you a question?U claimed the Uk/Dubai crime rates, not me. So you *don't* have an argument. OK. U made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. Off to eat the ice cream.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 20:07
I asked you a question?U claimed the Uk/Dubai crime rates, not me. So you *don't* have an argument. OK. Chillax, really you're both going round and round and getting nowhere other than taking a perfectly good thread off topic. Shake hands, make up and leave it be. And have a glass :) Yep.Off to have some ice cream.;)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 20:04
I asked you a question?U claimed the Uk/Dubai crime rates, not me. So you *don't* have an argument. OK. Chillax, really you're both going round and round and getting nowhere other than taking a perfectly good thread off topic. Shake hands, make up and leave it be. And have a glass :)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 20:03
It must be Ramadan and very hot, ladies. Why would anyone try to compare London and Dubai? They are totally different scenarios...both have problems. but very different in nature. Apples and oranges. apparently it's only the weather that's different......
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 20:02
I asked you a question?U claimed the Uk/Dubai crime rates, not me. So you *don't* have an argument. OK.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 20:01
It must be Ramadan and very hot, ladies. Why would anyone try to compare London and Dubai? They are totally different scenarios...both have problems. but very different in nature. Apples and oranges.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:56
Do not put words in "my mouth".I have never claimed that. I said "appears to be". So what *is* your argument? I asked you a question?U claimed the Uk/Dubai crime rates, not me.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:52
why should i belive you? You don't have to believe me. But why should I believe you, or Princess_I, or Sue62, or anyone who tells me that there is very little crime here? Just because they haven't experienced any crime personally and they don't read about it in the local papers all the time doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Or do you really think the courts and jails here are full up simply with bad credit cases? I did not claim anything, i merely came across this discussion.You said crime is worst here then in the UK(per capita), i asked for proof.U say there is no proof.Media is not reporting.Officials are not reporting. There is no discussion here, you were right.There are no facts to be discussed.Just hearsay. And what reliable proof can you provide that Dubai is safer than the UK? It works both ways you know! Im not from UK to begin with. I just want to know where do you all get all this information. and i have never claimd either.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:52
Do not put words in "my mouth".I have never claimed that. I said "appears to be". So what *is* your argument?
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:50
U really want ppl to buy this "story"?U use that as argument? I'd say my argument is much more reasoned than yours, which appears to be "I don't read about violent crime in the papers here, so therefore there is no violent crime here". Do not put words in "my mouth".I have never claimed that.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:42
I don't know about theft or other crimes but sexual crimes, especially against Indian and Filipino nationals are very, very high in Dubai. I personally know someone who is actively involved in an organization that helps victims of sexual attacks and they see in excess of 50 (male and female) people every single month. I do not wish to be an alarmist but their are many, many sexual predators roaming freely in Dubai. Please do not ever believe you are safe walking around alone ANYWHERE in this country, you are NOT. and again, while i understand what you are saying...numbers please..some links on this...where do you get this information? what is many many predators...? u can get maps in USA that will tell you where sexual offenders live, what they have been charged with, their name, photo, how long they spent in jail etc.I do not expect that here, but "many many predators" is very vague, and lots of ppl will not consider this kind of information seriously. If you read my post you will see that; A) I did give numbers, B) I also advised my information came from a friend who works in an organization who helps victims of sexual assault. The UAE is nothing like the USA so try and compare the information you can get there, versus what information is available here, is an apples and oranges argument, don't you think? 50 or so new rapes or serious sexual assaults per month with practically zero being reported to the Police, equals at least 600 sexual predators in any twelve months roaming Dubai, unpunished and unchecked. I would say that does constitute to use of the word many! <em>edited by Connect on 18/08/2011</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:42
U really want ppl to buy this "story"?U use that as argument? I'd say my argument is much more reasoned than yours, which appears to be "I don't read about violent crime in the papers here, so therefore there is no violent crime here". I repeat, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, especially not where you're dealing with such heavily-censored media. Remember that the media in Dubai didn't even start admitting that the property market was crashing until things had got so serious that the journalists pointed out that everybody knew what was happening and they would lose whatever credibility they had if they kept ignoring the story.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:41
why should i belive you? You don't have to believe me. But why should I believe you, or Princess_I, or Sue62, or anyone who tells me that there is very little crime here? Just because they haven't experienced any crime personally and they don't read about it in the local papers all the time doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Or do you really think the courts and jails here are full up simply with bad credit cases? I did not claim anything, i merely came across this discussion.You said crime is worst here then in the UK(per capita), i asked for proof.U say there is no proof.Media is not reporting.Officials are not reporting. There is no discussion here, you were right.There are no facts to be discussed.Just hearsay.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:40
U claim Dubai is more dangerous then UK. I want numbers. Simply as that As Custard Apple says - there ARE no numbers. The government never releases any. The media here is both censored and self-censoring. There is a great deal going on here that they want to cover but are not permitted to. As far as personal safety goes, I don't think Dubai is more dangerous than the UK. I think they're about the same (although the roads are more dangerous here). My point was that if you could look at the numbers of people in jail in Dubai for violent crimes (and there are no officially-released numbers, but if you get to know the right people in the right line of work you can get estimates) then on a [b'>purely per-capita basis[/b'> given the large disparity in relative population sizes, any statistician would probably tell you that Dubai is more violent than the UK! Do you see the point I'm making? why should i belive you? You don't have to believe me. But why should I believe you, or Princess_I, or Sue62, or anyone who tells me that there is very little crime here? Just because they haven't experienced any crime personally and they don't read about it in the local papers all the time doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Or do you really think the courts and jails here are full up simply with bad credit cases?[/quote at no time have i said there is no crime in Dubai, nor do i believe that. So not only have you insulted my father, whom you know absolutely nothing about, but you are now making assumptions about me !!! I don't care if you "believe" me - that's not what the forum is about - it's a place to express thoughts, opinions, advice or whatever and it's entirely the reader's choice how to process the information...
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:34
I assumed Goose was referring to my comments about violent crime in Dubai, not about bird flu! If she thinks that something has to be covered in the media here in order to be true, though, then it's going to be pointless trying to talk about this. You do not have an answer and have to turn to the patronizing cynicism?! Ok, do you have any official numbers, other then using argument that media is not reporting about crime in Dubai, and that Dubai is more dangerous then UK, coming from the vague friends in the high places? U really want ppl to buy this "story"?U use that as argument?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:31
U claim Dubai is more dangerous then UK. I want numbers. Simply as that As Custard Apple says - there ARE no numbers. The government never releases any. The media here is both censored and self-censoring. There is a great deal going on here that they want to cover but are not permitted to. As far as personal safety goes, I don't think Dubai is more dangerous than the UK. I think they're about the same (although the roads are more dangerous here). My point was that if you could look at the numbers of people in jail in Dubai for violent crimes (and there are no officially-released numbers, but if you get to know the right people in the right line of work you can get estimates) then on a [b'>purely per-capita basis[/b'> given the large disparity in relative population sizes, any statistician would probably tell you that Dubai is more violent than the UK! Do you see the point I'm making? why should i belive you? You don't have to believe me. But why should I believe you, or Princess_I, or Sue62, or anyone who tells me that there is very little crime here? Just because they haven't experienced any crime personally and they don't read about it in the local papers all the time doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Or do you really think the courts and jails here are full up simply with bad credit cases?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:29
Cripes, even a few years ago you'd be lucky to read about any crimes in the UAE in the local press - they weren't allowed to print it because of it giving a negative image. These days of course, they sort of have to, it would be unrealistic to think that crime doesn't exist here and I'm amazed at how many people still leave their houses/cars etc unlocked and valuables out all over the place, there are always opportunists. However, I still feel alot safer here than I would in the UK.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:22
I assumed Goose was referring to my comments about violent crime in Dubai, not about bird flu! If she thinks that something has to be covered in the media here in order to be true, though, then it's going to be pointless trying to talk about this.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:21
and again, while i understand what you are saying...numbers please..some links on this...where do you get this information? what is many many predators...? u can get maps in USA that will tell you where sexual offenders live, what they have been charged with, their name, photo, how long they spent in jail etc.I do not expect that here, but "many many predators" is very vague, and lots of ppl will not consider this kind of information seriously. I'd agree in other circumstances, but in Dubai, the media is so self-censoring (in part for the obvious reason that most journalists are deportable should they go after a story that makes them any powerful enemies) that all we actually have is rumour - there are no trustowrthy, concrete facts on crime etc. And I think this does affect people's impressions of Dubai vs, say, the UK - in the UK you have to sift quality journalism from fear-mongering tabloid **** that over-reports crime, but in Dubai there's no organ giving anything like accurate statistics on crime, which for me leads to a false sense of security. And then some people end up with inaccurate views of both places - the UK as full of feral gangs and cowering crime victims vs a crime-free Dubai bubble.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:18
where do you get your info in order to claim above opinion?If media is not reporting? We know a few of the right people in the right line of work. I'm sure you can work out what I mean ;) U claim Dubai is more dangerous then UK. I want numbers. Simply as that. I ask u again, otherwise it will be hearsay, where do you get your information that you claim as fact here on the board?` why should i belive you?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:17
where do you get your info in order to claim above opinion?If media is not reporting? We know a few of the right people in the right line of work. I'm sure you can work out what I mean ;) no need - google bird flu and there's plenty of info.. [i'>The first reported case of an H1N1 attack on humans back in 1997 in Hong Kong attracted huge media coverage from all around the globe and since then, 60 out of 100 infected individuals have died of it.[/i'>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:08
where do you get your info in order to claim above opinion?If media is not reporting? We know a few of the right people in the right line of work. I'm sure you can work out what I mean ;)
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:07
I don't know about theft or other crimes but sexual crimes, especially against Indian and Filipino nationals are very, very high in Dubai. I personally know someone who is actively involved in an organization that helps victims of sexual attacks and they see in excess of 50 (male and female) people every single month. I do not wish to be an alarmist but their are many, many sexual predators roaming freely in Dubai. Please do not ever believe you are safe walking around alone ANYWHERE in this country, you are NOT. and again, while i understand what you are saying...numbers please..some links on this...where do you get this information? what is many many predators...? u can get maps in USA that will tell you where sexual offenders live, what they have been charged with, their name, photo, how long they spent in jail etc.I do not expect that here, but "many many predators" is very vague, and lots of ppl will not consider this kind of information seriously.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 19:00
I don't know about theft or other crimes but sexual crimes, especially against Indian and Filipino nationals are very, very high in Dubai. I personally know someone who is actively involved in an organization that helps victims of sexual attacks and they see in excess of 50 (male and female) people every single month. I do not wish to be an alarmist but their are many, many sexual predators roaming freely in Dubai. Please do not ever believe you are safe walking around alone ANYWHERE in this country, you are NOT. And let's not forget that the definition of a 'sexual crime' can and does include jailing a raped woman for supposedly consensual s*x outside of wedlock. (Why is the word 's*x' censored on here and 'sexual' not?)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 18:48
I don't know about theft or other crimes but sexual crimes, especially against Indian and Filipino nationals are very, very high in Dubai. I personally know someone who is actively involved in an organization that helps victims of sexual attacks and they see in excess of 50 (male and female) people every single month. I do not wish to be an alarmist but their are many, many sexual predators roaming freely in Dubai. Please do not ever believe you are safe walking around alone ANYWHERE in this country, you are NOT.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 18:43
Actually in the 10 years i have been here, I have not expereinced any crime at all, violent or minor, yet in the UK have been burgled, mugged and also mugged at knife point - had my bag cut off my shoulders and was left holding bag straps... so not really sure how personal expereince relates to ignorance.... [b'>I'm sorry for you just as I'm sorry for Sue62's Dad. But just as your perception of crime here is wrong, so is Sue62's Dad's perception of crime in the UK, and in both cases that perception is fed by the media.[/b'>Mugging happens here. Stabbing happens here. Murder and rape happen here. There are many, many people in jail here on murder and assault charges. The media simply doesn't report it anywhere near as freely as in the UK. In fact, if you were to compare the incidence of violent crime in Dubai with the incidence in the UK, given the huge difference in population size you'd probably have no choice but to conclude that per capita, Dubai is more dangerous! You take my point about bird flu, yes? The risk of bird flu is [b'>exactly the same now[/b'> as it was a few years ago when the media (including here in the UAE) was full of stories about how a bird flu epidemic was going to kill millions all over the planet. So why isn't everyone scared any more? Simply because the media got bored and stopped running bird flu stories. That's the only thing that's changed. Like I said - it's all about [i'>perception[/i'>, not reality. It's his perception of life in his neighbourhood NOT the whole UK in general and it's based on his own experiences and those of his friends and neighbours - NOT the media.... Thank you for your sympathy but it's misplaced - he can look after himself and he has his health and a quality of life many ppl his age don't have.. All i said was that his neighbourhood isn't like it used to be !! But it's all a matter of opinion - and just because we don't share the same one it doesn't mean you are right and my father, or anyone else for that matter, are wrong... I also take exception to your statement that my father's opinion is "fed by the media"... it's insulting. <em>edited by Sue62 on 18/08/2011</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 18:34
I'm sorry for you just as I'm sorry for Sue62's Dad. But just as your perception of crime here is wrong, so is Sue62's Dad's perception of crime in the UK, and in both cases that perception is fed by the media. Mugging happens here. Stabbing happens here. Murder and rape happen here. There are many, many people in jail here on murder and assault charges. The media simply doesn't report it anywhere near as freely as in the UK. In fact, if you were to compare the incidence of violent crime in Dubai with the incidence in the UK, given the huge difference in population size you'd probably have no choice but to conclude that per capita, Dubai is more dangerous! You take my point about bird flu, yes? The risk of bird flu is [b'>exactly the same now[/b'> as it was a few years ago when the media (including here in the UAE) was full of stories about how a bird flu epidemic was going to kill millions all over the planet. So why isn't everyone scared any more? Simply because the media got bored and stopped running bird flu stories. That's the only thing that's changed. Like I said - it's all about [i'>perception[/i'>, not reality. i can reason with this....but where do you get your info in order to claim above opinion?If media is not reporting? any links? <em>edited by Goose on 18/08/2011</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 August 2011 - 18:33
You sound really down on Dubai how can you bear to stay here? Who says I'm "down on Dubai"? I like it here, I'm just realistic about the place and don't kid myself about it. I don't live in a little "Oh, it's so safe here compared to the UK" bubble. I'm not scared to walk the streets here, I'm not scared to walk the streets in the UK. It *is* a fact that your chances of being seriously injured or killed on the roads in the UAE are much higher than your chances of being (say) mugged or stabbed in the UK, but while they persist with their current standards of driver training and traffic enforcement here, that's the way it's going to stay and we just have to accept that.
 
 

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