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Ejari-Title Deeds-residency issue please help if you know

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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 10:09

I'm getting desperate here. My husband cannot get my residency due to that the tenancy agreement was not registered at Ejari. We paid the estate agent (not a scam- this is a well known estate agent) to register the tenancy agreement with Ejari and they are also the managing agent on behalf of the landlord. The registration was never done so when DH went to Ejari to get the tenancy agreement attested they refused as the tenancy wasn't registered. The agent can't get it registered as they have not got a copy of the title deeds from the landlord. The landlord is a well known financing company. This has been going on for quite some time now. DH is chasing the agent on a daily basis but nothing is happening. I sent an email too but they just ignored it and didn't bother to reply. I assume they just ignore housewives...
Is anybody else in the same situation? Does anybody know what to do now? As I said this has been ongoing for quite some time now and is creating a lot of stress for us. Do we need to pay somebody local to sort this out or what should we do?? TIA

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 02 March 2013 - 08:34
You can't obtain title deeds (any development) without having your service fees paid up to date..
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EW GURU
Latest post on 02 March 2013 - 08:27
I remember reading in Xpress (or maybe on here) that Nakheel was employing various underhand tactics to coerce Shoreline owners into agreeing to their latest community charge proposals, which have been disputed for some time now. One of these tactics was to prevent title deeds from being issued to 'problem' owners who didn't already have them, which may or may not explain the lengthy delays some of you are experiencing.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 March 2013 - 13:43
Thank you for all of this advice and information. We also live on the Palm in Shoreline and are currently going through this situation as I need to renew my visa to go onto my Husbands. Our landlord has told us they have been applying for the title deeds since September but have had no joy with Nakheel. Clearly if this is true and they have indeed paid the fee they will have a receipt!!!! I have now requested the receipt from the landlord.....fingers crossed for a long awaited positive response :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 March 2013 - 09:40
ok, I have been through the same thing with one of my employees. We also did not have the title deed from the agent who was managing the property. The lanldord applied for the title deed and obtained a receipt. IF you have the receipt that the landlord has paid for the title deed, then your PRO will be able to get the Ejari registered contract and then the Visa. We have done this a few times. Hope that helps.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 February 2013 - 22:58
You can also register with ejari if u have the plot number. You can get the plot number from the planning department at land department. If u have the plot number you don't need the title deed of affection plan. Title deed and affection plan are usually required as this is where they will find the plot number. Nordique do you live in shoreline apartments? If yes what building and I may be able to help you. Thanks,
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EW GURU
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 22:30
It seems like a viscous circle!! Are people that have issues with renewing their visas/applying for visas just suffering in silence or do they know the "right people" to get it sorted? I don't understand how this works? How are JLT residents dealing with this "75% without title deeds"? JLT is mainly resided by ex-pats? I dont think 75% dont have them; the ones we called mostly did not, either because tower is new or because "you dont need the title deed" But at the minimum, i am sure a fifth of properties dont have them.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 19:57
Well.... DH got a reply from the agent this afternoon. Apparently "the affection plan is not available from Nakheel" and " I suggest you ask your neighbours for an affection plan" The agent "can then go ahead and process the Ejari registration". What a lot of BULL.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 12:04
This same thing happened to us when we moved here a few months back. I know how stressful it is. Do you know if your landlord has applied for the title deed? Your agent can get it done using the title deed application. Go to the agent's office and sit on their head and get this done. If they dont respond, take it up with their managers. I was almost on the verge of booking my flight to home country and fortunately it all worked out at the last moment.... We have been told that they have applied for the title deed. Does anybody know how long that is meant to take? Can the agent really just use the title deed application? It doesn't seem that they even have that. I'll discuss with DH about going there to do a "sit in" if that is the only way to get this done. I'm on the verge to do all sorts of things...It seems that this country was not meant to be for me.. I know it's frustrating, but just try to stay calm, what ever you do DON'T loose your temper. the first advice I was given when moving here was to always keep a smile on my face whatever the situation! you have to act politrically and try to resolve this. fortunately we didnt have any issues with registeringthe ejari, actually it was the esatte agnets who were chasing us to get it sorted asap. one thing I know is that the person who has the tenancy agreement in his/her name should be present when registering the Ejari, that's why I left this task to Hubby! whatever you do avoid paying middlesman to do this for you as they charge more than double the actual fee for Ejari regsitration. Good Luck! I hope it gets sorted soon! please excuse the typo mistakes, my english is really not that bad! ;) I was just typing too fast...
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 12:03
Many thanks so far to all the ladies that have given their input! Hopefully this thread is providing help to others (too) struggling with these issues :-) <em>edited by N0rdique on 27/02/2013</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 12:00
Our management office in JBR (Dubai International Real Estate) assured us that the Title Deeds were not necessary so long as you had a copy of the Affection Plan which shows the location of apartment/villa. I would be inclined to go to the Nakheel office at the beginning of the Palm and ask them for a copy of the Plan. As has been said, take a copy of your DH's passport, residency visa and an NOC from him. I'll go over to Nakheel and see what I can get. We had issues getting the swipes and we finally got them after DH threatened to go over to them and sit there until they gave them (my suggestion.. :-)))The security passes we got from the agent did not work. If it is possible to do the Ejari with the affection plan I'll do it. And demand the Ejari registration money back from the agent seeing as they didn't bother to deal with it.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:59
This same thing happened to us when we moved here a few months back. I know how stressful it is. Do you know if your landlord has applied for the title deed? Your agent can get it done using the title deed application. Go to the agent's office and sit on their head and get this done. If they dont respond, take it up with their managers. I was almost on the verge of booking my flight to home country and fortunately it all worked out at the last moment.... We have been told that they have applied for the title deed. Does anybody know how long that is meant to take? Can the agent really just use the title deed application? It doesn't seem that they even have that. I'll discuss with DH about going there to do a "sit in" if that is the only way to get this done. I'm on the verge to do all sorts of things...It seems that this country was not meant to be for me.. I know it's frustrating, but just try to stay calm, what ever you do DON'T loose your temper. the first advice I was given when moving here was to always keep a smile on my face whatever the situation! you have to act politrically and try to resolve this. fortunately we didnt have any issues with registeringthe ejari, actually it was the esatte agnets who were chasing us to get it sorted asap. one thing I know is that the person who has the tenancy agreement in his/her name should be present when registering the Ejari, that's why I left this task to Hubby! whatever you do avoid paying middlesman to do this for you as they charge more than double the actual fee for Ejari regsitration. Good Luck! I hope it gets sorted soon!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:55
One has to pay quite a lot of money to get title deeds - 1 or 2 % of the purchase price. OOOOH! That's probably where the issue is then...
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:53
It seems like a viscous circle!! Are people that have issues with renewing their visas/applying for visas just suffering in silence or do they know the "right people" to get it sorted? I don't understand how this works? How are JLT residents dealing with this "75% without title deeds"? JLT is mainly resided by ex-pats?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:44
Is there just one RERA office? I'm glad to hear that "damsels in distress" can actually get help... :-) We were under the impression that as it is DH that is sponsoring me he has to do all the running around to the various places. As far as i know, yes, just one office - in the Lands Dept. The [u'>Rent Committee[/u'> are up in the Municipality Building. Like you, I have a DH who is flat out like a lizard drinking. In all our upsets regarding DEWA, RERA, LL absconding etc, I have been the one to go to the government offices. Just take an NOC from him giving you permission to discuss and you will be right. I have actually never been asked to produce ours, though I've had it at the ready. ETA: Also take a copy of his passport and visa. <em>edited by The Original BMAP on 27/02/2013</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:43
from memory .. I read here a while ago on this forum that many of the property owners on the palm didnt have the title deeds as they had to pay 2% of the property price for that. let me do a search and see what I can find Thanks :-) But how the "hill" do property owners get away with not having the title deeds?? Any Palm ladies that could share their experience?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:37
There is something that does not fit. On one hand, many owners dont have title deeds. We are checking properties in JLT etc. and roughly 75% of the apts dont have title deeds. Even after assuming my figure is skewed, it is safe to assume at least a fifth dont have then yet. On the other hand, we still hear relatively few people facing problems in renewing visas Yet, we are told Ejari is impossible without title deeds And Ejari is definitely needed for visa renewals So the good thing is there has to be some loophole, either ejari is being done w/o deeds or visas are being renewed w/o ejari basd on individual cases
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:28
from memory .. I read here a while ago on this forum that many of the property owners on the palm didnt have the title deeds as they had to pay 2% of the property price for that. let me do a search and see what I can find
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:27
When our apartment was registered with Ejari we obtained a copy of the Affection Plan from our management office (DIRE), we weren't asked for a copy of the LL's passport and our PRO did the registration for us and also for our DD's villa. I think sometimes it can depend on who you see at any particular office or, as in the case of a PRO, it's who they know!! I hope you get it sorted very soon NOrdique. Well, the PRO was extremely slow with other things and he is not helping with my residency at all. This property is managed by Nakheel. Could I just get a copy of the affection plan from them? Are they required to have the affection plan? Thanks, I really hope we get it sorted soon too. I don't know if I'm getting paranoid here but I think I have some grey hairs now from this (shock and horror!!) <em>edited by N0rdique on 27/02/2013</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:21
I'm wondering if they just haven't bothered with getting them and if it's not required for an owner to present the title deeds to the estate agent and the property can just like that be rented out? I will try the land department. Is there just one? But if the owner never paid and applied for them it probably won't work. There are no rules between the owner and agent. As long as they can get a tenant with cheques, that is it, they wont ask for title deeds unless the prospective tenant insists. This applies to maybe 90% of agents
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:16
When our apartment was registered with Ejari we obtained a copy of the Affection Plan from our management office (DIRE), we weren't asked for a copy of the LL's passport and our PRO did the registration for us and also for our DD's villa. I think sometimes it can depend on who you see at any particular office or, as in the case of a PRO, it's who they know!! I hope you get it sorted very soon NOrdique.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 11:09
the title deeds will be in the name of somone. where do you live ? that might shed some light .. A real estate agent ' should' have the title deeds but in most cases they wont. You could try the land department and see if they are willing to release a copy of the title deeds to you According to the paperwork the apartment was owned by one person and then taken over by the financing company (a government owned one) We live on the Palm, does that make a difference? Do you know is it expensive for an owner to get title deeds? I'm wondering if they just haven't bothered with getting them and if it's not required for an owner to present the title deeds to the estate agent and the property can just like that be rented out? I will try the land department. Is there just one? But if the owner never paid and applied for them it probably won't work.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 10:50
the Real estate agent should have the title deeds. Go down to the office and refuse to move without the title deeds. The Title Deeds will be in the name of somone and you will need a copy of thats person passport as well ( this is what we were asked for ) we took that to a typing centre and got an SMS to say that the tenancy contract has been registered with Ejari. . But they are saying that don't have them and that the landlord has applied. The current owner is a financing company so who's passport copy should we have? Does anybody know about estate agent's responsibilities? Should they not have the title deeds ready in order to manage a property on behalf of a landlord? Is there a regulatory body here whom to report agents that aren't operating according to rules and regulations? Or is it all a wild west? the title deeds will be in the name of somone. where do you live ? that might shed some light .. A real estate agent ' should' have the title deeds but in most cases they wont. You could try the land department and see if they are willing to release a copy of the title deeds to you
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 10:45
My recommendation would be that you go into the RERA Offices (Lands Dept) and find the actual EJARI office. The Manager of EJARI is on the same floor as RERA. Tell him your issues and I believe he might be able to help you - I have found him helpful and sympathic in the past. IMO it is better that you go as I think they like to help "damsels in distress". Is there just one RERA office? I'm glad to hear that "damsels in distress" can actually get help... :-) We were under the impression that as it is DH that is sponsoring me he has to do all the running around to the various places.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 10:43
the Real estate agent should have the title deeds. Go down to the office and refuse to move without the title deeds. The Title Deeds will be in the name of somone and you will need a copy of thats person passport as well ( this is what we were asked for ) we took that to a typing centre and got an SMS to say that the tenancy contract has been registered with Ejari. . But they are saying that don't have them and that the landlord has applied. The current owner is a financing company so who's passport copy should we have? Does anybody know about estate agent's responsibilities? Should they not have the title deeds ready in order to manage a property on behalf of a landlord? Is there a regulatory body here whom to report agents that aren't operating according to rules and regulations? Or is it all a wild west?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 10:37
My recommendation would be that you go into the RERA Offices (Lands Dept) and find the actual EJARI office. The Manager of EJARI is on the same floor as RERA. Tell him your issues and I believe he might be able to help you - I have found him helpful and sympathic in the past. IMO it is better that you go as I think they like to help "damsels in distress".
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 10:35
the Real estate agent should have the title deeds. Go down to the office and refuse to move without the title deeds. The Title Deeds will be in the name of somone and you will need a copy of thats person passport as well ( this is what we were asked for ) we took that to a typing centre and got an SMS to say that the tenancy contract has been registered with Ejari. I had to do all of this to get my visa renewed last month. We used a typing centre in Al Quoz on the first floor of the grand mall. My hsubands Company PRO was unable to register the tenancy contract with Ejari as it has to be done by the tenannt.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 27 February 2013 - 10:33
This same thing happened to us when we moved here a few months back. I know how stressful it is. Do you know if your landlord has applied for the title deed? Your agent can get it done using the title deed application. Go to the agent's office and sit on their head and get this done. If they dont respond, take it up with their managers. I was almost on the verge of booking my flight to home country and fortunately it all worked out at the last moment.... We have been told that they have applied for the title deed. Does anybody know how long that is meant to take? Can the agent really just use the title deed application? It doesn't seem that they even have that. I'll discuss with DH about going there to do a "sit in" if that is the only way to get this done. I'm on the verge to do all sorts of things...It seems that this country was not meant to be for me..
 
 

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