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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:17
No, we just moved in, why would me move out? if the fees remain unpaid at the end of the year when our renewal is up, we will file a complaint with the Rent Committee. Our rent cheque to the LL will be X amount minus what they owe and that's that edited by derien on 07/10/2012 So emaar will have won..... that's why they are doing this. edited by mrswhippy on 07/10/2012 Yes, I suppose but still, this has also created alot of hassle for tenants and we are being extremely victimised But if they had not done this you wouldn't have bothered to pay the service fees..... so desperate times; desperate measures. Sorry but what else are Emaar / Nakheel meant to do? At least allow tenants to know where they stand before they sign a contract with a landlord who hasn't paid their community fees so the tenants are likely to be penalized.
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:14
No, we just moved in, why would me move out? if the fees remain unpaid at the end of the year when our renewal is up, we will file a complaint with the Rent Committee. Our rent cheque to the LL will be X amount minus what they owe and that's that edited by derien on 07/10/2012 So emaar will have won..... that's why they are doing this. edited by mrswhippy on 07/10/2012 Yes, I suppose but still, this has also created alot of hassle for tenants and we are being extremely victimised But if they had not done this you wouldn't have bothered to pay the service fees..... so desperate times; desperate measures. Sorry but what else are Emaar / Nakheel meant to do?
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:12
No, we just moved in, why would me move out? if the fees remain unpaid at the end of the year when our renewal is up, we will file a complaint with the Rent Committee. Our rent cheque to the LL will be X amount minus what they owe and that's that edited by derien on 07/10/2012 So emaar will have won..... that's why they are doing this. edited by mrswhippy on 07/10/2012 Yes, I suppose but still, this has also created alot of hassle for tenants and we are being extremely victimised
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:12
No, we just moved in, why would me move out? if the fees remain unpaid at the end of the year when our renewal is up, we will file a complaint with the Rent Committee. Our rent cheque to the LL will be X amount minus what they owe and that's that edited by derien on 07/10/2012 So emaar will have won..... that's why they are doing this. edited by mrswhippy on 07/10/2012 But in the meantime, we all have to suffer the health consequences? Given that we are thinking this will take more than a few days to resolve?
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:09
No, we just moved in, why would me move out? if the fees remain unpaid at the end of the year when our renewal is up, we will file a complaint with the Rent Committee. Our rent cheque to the LL will be X amount minus what they owe and that's that edited by derien on 07/10/2012 So emaar will have won..... that's why they are doing this. <em>edited by mrswhippy on 07/10/2012</em>
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:08
Emaar is in a difficult situation too, it must be incredibly frustrating to have some owners who owe tens of thousands and have no intention of paying. I think it need a law change. If Emaar had the power to seize and sell the properties of owners who continuously refused to pay then I'm sure they'd all pay up rather than lose their investment. Agreed, but is that ever likely to happen? ETA: drownedinthenile, yes, you're right of course, so what on earth is the solution? <em>edited by simpleasabc on 07/10/2012</em>
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:07
Non paying LLs should be blacklisted but by who? The agents won't bother as they just want to rent the villa out, and RERA won't get involved, so I guess it's down to the tenant to find out - but how? Can Emaar do something about it - like insist that before any villa / apartment is rented out, they get some kind of stamp from Emaar to say fees are paid for that year? And why can we tenants not get this info? If I were a LL, I wouldn't want rats festering around my property - surely this is part of upkeep?? Yes, this would be good but this issue just came up around May of this year so unsuspecting tenants who rented properties in an Emaar complex this year didn't know about this nor did the agents By the time the rats get really well established in the area, those who moved in in May should be just getting ready to move, no? LOL... yes probably
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:06
Mrswhippy, I remember a dustman's strike in London in the late 80's/early 90's - that is where my disgust at the idea of leaving rubbish to fester here comes from. It is quite simply a serious Public Health issue and I sincerely feel that Emaar should not be allowed to carry out this form of punishment for non-payment as it affects the whole community, but not the landlords who are refusing to pay. It's the wrong way to go about it, it is not hitting the right people directly. I completely agree. As an owner who has always paid the service charge (and previous to that as a tenant who paid rent) I'll will be extremely upset if rubbish is allowed to pile up in the community I live in. It's a health hazard to everyone living here. Emaar is in a difficult situation too, it must be incredibly frustrating to have some owners who owe tens of thousands and have no intention of paying. I think it need a law change. If Emaar had the power to seize and sell the properties of owners who continuously refused to pay then I'm sure they'd all pay up rather than lose their investment. You can't seize a multi-million dollar house over non-payment of $15,000!
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:04
Non paying LLs should be blacklisted but by who? The agents won't bother as they just want to rent the villa out, and RERA won't get involved, so I guess it's down to the tenant to find out - but how? Can Emaar do something about it - like insist that before any villa / apartment is rented out, they get some kind of stamp from Emaar to say fees are paid for that year? And why can we tenants not get this info? If I were a LL, I wouldn't want rats festering around my property - surely this is part of upkeep?? Yes, this would be good but this issue just came up around May of this year so unsuspecting tenants who rented properties in an Emaar complex this year didn't know about this nor did the agents By the time the rats get really well established in the area, those who moved in in May should be just getting ready to move, no?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:04
Mrswhippy, I remember a dustman's strike in London in the late 80's/early 90's - that is where my disgust at the idea of leaving rubbish to fester here comes from. It is quite simply a serious Public Health issue and I sincerely feel that Emaar should not be allowed to carry out this form of punishment for non-payment as it affects the whole community, but not the landlords who are refusing to pay. It's the wrong way to go about it, it is not hitting the right people directly. I completely agree. As an owner who has always paid the service charge (and previous to that as a tenant who paid rent) I'll will be extremely upset if rubbish is allowed to pile up in the community I live in. It's a health hazard to everyone living here. Emaar is in a difficult situation too, it must be incredibly frustrating to have some owners who owe tens of thousands and have no intention of paying. I think it need a law change. If Emaar had the power to seize and sell the properties of owners who continuously refused to pay then I'm sure they'd all pay up rather than lose their investment.
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:03
Non paying LLs should be blacklisted but by who? The agents won't bother as they just want to rent the villa out, and RERA won't get involved, so I guess it's down to the tenant to find out - but how? Can Emaar do something about it - like insist that before any villa / apartment is rented out, they get some kind of stamp from Emaar to say fees are paid for that year? And why can we tenants not get this info? If I were a LL, I wouldn't want rats festering around my property - surely this is part of upkeep?? Yes, this would be good but this issue just came up around May of this year so unsuspecting tenants who rented properties in an Emaar complex this year didn't know about this nor did the agents
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:00
@Karabalta: Are you really advocating rubbish piling up outside tenants' houses, creating a stench and attracting vermin and possibly causing disease? Because that's how it sounds. I don't think she is advocating for that, but a rule is a rule. [b'>Surely Emaar realizes what the consequences will be if they allow rubbish to pile up.[/b'> And isn't Emaar owned by the Maktoum family? Not sure I would want to start breaking rules set by them. Apparently not, judging by their current behaviour. I have also noticed people resorting to throwing their rubbish into the desert area by the pylons at the back of the Springs/Meadows. That's hardly sanitary either, is it? <em>edited by simpleasabc on 07/10/2012</em>
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 16:00
Mrs Whippy, that was my understanding also. Daza, at last, a woman after my own heart ;) I agree and i don't agree. Somethings has to be done to make LL pay; but rats on my doorstep are not an option for me. I once got rats in my home in London - i left till they were all dead....... But not collecting the rubbish is just not working at this point. To make LL's pay, you need to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket or an injunction on their investment. I presume you will be moving out at the end of your contract? No, we just moved in, why would me move out? if the fees remain unpaid at the end of the year when our renewal is up, we will file a complaint with the Rent Committee. Our rent cheque to the LL will be X amount minus what they owe and that's that <em>edited by derien on 07/10/2012</em>
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:58
Mrswhippy, I remember a dustman's strike in London in the late 80's/early 90's - that is where my disgust at the idea of leaving rubbish to fester here comes from. It is quite simply a serious Public Health issue and I sincerely feel that Emaar should not be allowed to carry out this form of punishment for non-payment as it affects the whole community, but not the landlords who are refusing to pay. It's the wrong way to go about it, it is not hitting the right people directly.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:56
@Karabalta: Are you really advocating rubbish piling up outside tenants' houses, creating a stench and attracting vermin and possibly causing disease? Because that's how it sounds. I don't think she is advocating for that, but a rule is a rule. Surely Emaar realizes what the consequences will be if they allow rubbish to pile up. And isn't Emaar owned by the Maktoum family? Not sure I would want to start breaking rules set by them.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:53
Mrs Whippy, that was my understanding also. Daza, at last, a woman after my own heart ;) I agree and i don't agree. Somethings has to be done to make LL pay; but rats on my doorstep are not an option for me. I once got rats in my home in London - i left till they were all dead....... But not collecting the rubbish is just not working at this point. To make LL's pay, you need to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket or an injunction on their investment. I presume you will be moving out at the end of your contract?
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:51
Mrs Whippy, that was my understanding also. Daza, at last, a woman after my own heart ;) I agree and i don't agree. Somethings has to be done to make LL pay; but rats on my doorstep are not an option for me. I once got rats in my home in London - i left till they were all dead....... But not collecting the rubbish is just not working at this point. To make LL's pay, you need to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket or an injunction on their investment.
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:49
Mrs Whippy, that was my understanding also. Daza, at last, a woman after my own heart ;) I agree and i don't agree. Somethings has to be done to make LL pay; but rats on my doorstep are not an option for me. I once got rats in my home in London - i left till they were all dead.......
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:46
Mrs Whippy, that was my understanding also. Daza, at last, a woman after my own heart ;)
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:44
didn't someone suggest to a tenant in the meadows last week moving their uncollected rubbish to a villa where the collection was still ongoing? Am sure some Sherlock on here can join the dots and work out who it is! Was that me? I suggested to a tenant whose rubbish wasn't being collected asking an neighbour if they would mind them using their bin until it was resolved. My neighbours are tenants, if their rubbish wasn't being collected I would far rather they use my bin than having it pile outside my house attracting rats. I'd be fuming if they did it without asking though. And if they were owner/residents refusing to cough up then I'd probably be inclined to throw the rubbish in to their back garden....
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:43
We are using Dulsco :-) That's very interesting - are they already the refuse collectors in your area? Yes we are paying them extra to collect the rubbish as they have been instructed not to by Emaar are they allowed to do that? Thought they had been told NO
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EW GURU
Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:42
Its not Catch 22, the status quo is is to inconvenience the tenant all ways possible. Can anyone in Real Estate tell me: [i'>Who/what exactly is harmed by letting a prospective tenant know if fees were paid or not? What reason can there be to withhold this information unless it is to put the tenant in all sorts of trouble once he finds out after renting the place ?[/i'>
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:39
That's right, tenants should demand proof community service fees have been paid. And they won't if an alternative system to go around Emaar's rubbish collection rule is developed. Tenants do not have access to this information. Emmar only deal with the LL directly. We got the 60K through another source ( that I will not reveal). Best way to deal with this would be for RERA to be given powers to intervene and punish the LL's either by placing an injunction on the house or by allowing tenants to "deduct" the amount overdue from the rent and pay the balance to the LL. NOT by stopping the collection of rubbish which, as you can see, is penalising the entire community rather than the LL who don;t even live there As you say, that would only work if prospective tenants had access to the information. I repeat, this is a Catch 22 situation and at the moment, everyone but the non-paying landlords is suffering.
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:36
Simps - we are affected by this as our LL owes 60K in fees. We are currently paying to have our trash removed..... It is a real problem for the whole community! I do understand your predicament though. Would have been nice if your neighbours had asked first. It's a terrible situation - it seems that the refuse collectors employed by Emaar are not allowed to collect rubbish from tenants whose landlords have not paid, even if the tenants offer to pay themselves for the rubbish removal, so what on earth can the tenants do about this? May I ask who you are using yourself? We are using Dulsco :-) That's very interesting - are they already the refuse collectors in your area? Yes we are paying them extra to collect the rubbish as they have been instructed not to by Emaar
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:35
Simps - we are affected by this as our LL owes 60K in fees. We are currently paying to have our trash removed..... It is a real problem for the whole community! I do understand your predicament though. Would have been nice if your neighbours had asked first. It's a terrible situation - it seems that the refuse collectors employed by Emaar are not allowed to collect rubbish from tenants whose landlords have not paid, even if the tenants offer to pay themselves for the rubbish removal, so what on earth can the tenants do about this? May I ask who you are using yourself? We are using Dulsco :-) That's very interesting - are they already the refuse collectors in your area?
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:31
I feel sorry for the tenants, but it is the owners who are breaking the law. They are collecting rent and not paying the service fee. If the tenants have to suffer, that is really unfortunate but if they don't put pressure on their landlords to comply with the law, nothing will change. How can tenants who have already had to pay a year's rent in advance put pressure on the landlord to pay their community servce fees? The tenants have absolutely no leverage whatsoever. People who have experienced this will now check when they move to a new home to be sure that the service charges are up to date - but I seem to remember having read somewhere that Emaar doesn't allow tenants access to this information before they sign a new contract, so it really is a kind of Catch 22 situation. Can they not look on the community noticeboard to see who are the offending LLs? In the Greens, they publicly named and shamed the non payers and anyone entering any of the buildings could clearly see the list by the elevator as to who had paid and who had fees outstanding. I think the same is true of the Palm Shorelines. This info should be made public as I would never want to move somewhere where there were fees outstanding and risk having access to things curtailed. Tenants should demand written proof before they hand over their deposit cheques. That's right, tenants should demand proof community service fees have been paid. And they won't if an alternative system to go around Emaar's rubbish collection rule is developed. Tenants do not have access to this information. Emmar only deal with the LL directly. We got the 60K through another source ( that I will not reveal). Best way to deal with this would be for RERA to be given powers to intervene and punish the LL's either by placing an injunction on the house or by allowing tenants to "deduct" the amount overdue from the rent and pay the balance to the LL. NOT by stopping the collection of rubbish which, as you can see, is penalising the entire community rather than the LL who don;t even live there
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:27
Simps - we are affected by this as our LL owes 60K in fees. We are currently paying to have our trash removed..... It is a real problem for the whole community! I do understand your predicament though. Would have been nice if your neighbours had asked first. It's a terrible situation - it seems that the refuse collectors employed by Emaar are not allowed to collect rubbish from tenants whose landlords have not paid, even if the tenants offer to pay themselves for the rubbish removal, so what on earth can the tenants do about this? May I ask who you are using yourself? We are using Dulsco :-)
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:19
@Karabalta: Are you really advocating rubbish piling up outside tenants' houses, creating a stench and attracting vermin and possibly causing disease? Because that's how it sounds.
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:13
RERA should be given powers to authorise contract breaks / cheque stops for those who are affected by this. <em>edited by mrswhippy on 07/10/2012</em>
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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:11
Can they not look on the community noticeboard to see who are the offending LLs? In the Greens, they publicly named and shamed the non payers and anyone entering any of the buildings could clearly see the list by the elevator as to who had paid and who had fees outstanding. I think the same is true of the Palm Shorelines. This info should be made public as I would never want to move somewhere where there were fees outstanding and risk having access to things curtailed. Tenants should demand written proof before they hand over their deposit cheques. The name and shame board has been up since the summer, but before that, how could new tenants who are now suffering the consequences have found out? I know we're lucky to be in a property owned by someone who has paid the community charges, but we might just as well have landed up renting from someone who didn't, when we arrived here wet behind our Dubai ears a couple of years ago - this has only become an issue this year, hasn't it?
 
 

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