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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:10

I feel sorry for the tenants, but it is the owners who are breaking the law. They are collecting rent and not paying the service fee. If the tenants have to suffer, that is really unfortunate but if they don't put pressure on their landlords to comply with the law, nothing will change. How can tenants who have already had to pay a year's rent in advance put pressure on the landlord to pay their community servce fees? The tenants have absolutely no leverage whatsoever. People who have experienced this will now check when they move to a new home to be sure that the service charges are up to date - but I seem to remember having read somewhere that Emaar doesn't allow tenants access to this information before they sign a new contract, so it really is a kind of Catch 22 situation. Can they not look on the community noticeboard to see who are the offending LLs? In the Greens, they publicly named and shamed the non payers and anyone entering any of the buildings could clearly see the list by the elevator as to who had paid and who had fees outstanding. I think the same is true of the Palm Shorelines. This info should be made public as I would never want to move somewhere where there were fees outstanding and risk having access to things curtailed. Tenants should demand written proof before they hand over their deposit cheques. That's right, tenants should demand proof community service fees have been paid. And they won't if an alternative system to go around Emaar's rubbish collection rule is developed.

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 15:01

I feel sorry for the tenants, but it is the owners who are breaking the law. They are collecting rent and not paying the service fee. If the tenants have to suffer, that is really unfortunate but if they don't put pressure on their landlords to comply with the law, nothing will change. How can tenants who have already had to pay a year's rent in advance put pressure on the landlord to pay their community servce fees? The tenants have absolutely no leverage whatsoever. People who have experienced this will now check when they move to a new home to be sure that the service charges are up to date - but I seem to remember having read somewhere that Emaar doesn't allow tenants access to this information before they sign a new contract, so it really is a kind of Catch 22 situation.

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:57

Personally, I believe the residents that allow the "service fee dodgers" to have their rubbish collected are colluding with the owners who are not paying the service fee. Why would you help them break the law? Why would they pay their service fees if they can still have their rubbish collected? Where are the ethics in that? What law? If you had read my post properly, you would have seen I sympathized with tenants - it is not their fault if their Landlord doesn't pay the community service fees out of the rent the tenants have paid up front. It is the owners who are the "service fee dodgers" not the tenants and I really object to that. As to having other people's rubbish collected with mine, well yes, funnily enough, I prefer that to having mounds of uncollected unsanitary decomposing rubbish left on the streets, with all the health and safety problems which would quickly arise in this heat - I really don't want rats as big as cats spreading disease in my area, thank you very much. I understand that in our area, Emaar do not allow tenants to pay for the private collection of their rubbish, which is another story, so what other solution is there? I feel sorry for the tenants, but it is the owners who are breaking the law. They are collecting rent and not paying the service fee. If the tenants have to suffer, that is really unfortunate but if they don't put pressure on their landlords to comply with the law, nothing will change.

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:39

[b'>Maybe you can start your own racket offering rubbish collection at yours for a fee ;)[/b'> Only joking. It is in the whole neighbourhood's best interests to have rubbish removed which will otherwise only attract vermin. Why not leave a note as this could be an owner who doesn't want to pay their fee? I'm liking this idea :) Oh, against the law :( Actually, I checked to see which villas in our street have been named and shamed on the notice board and will be keeping a sharp eye out - I have a fair idea who it might be and am reasonably sure they are tenants. They could have asked, though. As long as the refuse collectors take it all away, it is a satisfactory solution and I can understand tenants feeling forced to go to these lengths if they have no other option. It is the owners who refuse to pay their fees who are creating these problems. <em>edited by simpleasabc on 07/10/2012</em>

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:33

Simps - we are affected by this as our LL owes 60K in fees. We are currently paying to have our trash removed..... It is a real problem for the whole community! I do understand your predicament though. Would have been nice if your neighbours had asked first. It's a terrible situation - it seems that the refuse collectors employed by Emaar are not allowed to collect rubbish from tenants whose landlords have not paid, even if the tenants offer to pay themselves for the rubbish removal, so what on earth can the tenants do about this? May I ask who you are using yourself?

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:29

Personally, I believe the residents that allow the "service fee dodgers" to have their rubbish collected are colluding with the owners who are not paying the service fee. Why would you help them break the law? Why would they pay their service fees if they can still have their rubbish collected? Where are the ethics in that? What law? If you had read my post properly, you would have seen I sympathized with tenants - it is not their fault if their Landlord doesn't pay the community service fees out of the rent the tenants have paid up front. It is the owners who are the "service fee dodgers" not the tenants and I really object to that. As to having other people's rubbish collected with mine, well yes, funnily enough, I prefer that to having mounds of uncollected unsanitary decomposing rubbish left on the streets, with all the health and safety problems which would quickly arise in this heat - I really don't want rats as big as cats spreading disease in my area, thank you very much. I understand that in our area, Emaar do not allow tenants to pay for the private collection of their rubbish, which is another story, so what other solution is there?

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:11

Personally, I believe the residents that allow the "service fee dodgers" to have their rubbish collected are colluding with the owners who are not paying the service fee. Why would you help them break the law? Why would they pay their service fees if they can still have their rubbish collected? Where are the ethics in that?

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:11

Simps - we are affected by this as our LL owes 60K in fees. We are currently paying to have our trash removed..... It is a real problem for the whole community! I do understand your predicament though. Would have been nice if your neighbours had asked first.

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:09

Simpleasabc...but...really???:\: I can not believe.... :\::\:

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Latest post on 07 October 2012 - 14:07

oooh - the beginnings of Rubbishgate :)

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