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Parent Rift over Dog-Advice Please

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 19:09

This is a long and messy story. Pls try and follow and give what you would do.

4 years ago we bought a dog in Australia who is like a baby to us. Everywhere we went she came. We only went to cafe's that allowed dogs, we would take her to secluded beaches and let her play for 3-4 hours, we walked her every night, we rode our bikes with her, if we went to friends places she came to. She went everywhere with us. We adore her.

2 years ago we moved to Dubai and my in-laws offered to look after her. We were very unsure and worried they would become too attached. We stated this to them. They said it would be fine. We offered the dog to go and live with my mother. They said she would be fine. My MIL said if we paid for all vet bills they would know it was only temporary.

Once we were settled here and knew we wanted to stay long term, we told them we were going to bring her over. At the time they said their dog was very sick and near death. We thought it was too much to continue with them losing both dogs at the same time, so we put our plan's on hold. We have waited 12 months for them to get over their dog.

Throughout out this time, I have sent emails asking about her welfare, saying how much we miss her and can't wait for her to come and live with us. When my MIL came for a visit I talked about Doggie coming all the time. "This is where I will walk doggie" this is the beach we will bring doggie to. We bought a villa with a backyard so we could have plenty of room for doggie to live happily. It is not a new concept to them that we will bring Doggie to live with us.

Last week DH advised MIL that we wanted to fly the dog over and did she want to help us organise it or engage a third party. She advised we should engage a company and that she would not help.

We then got this email from her - direct quote only names changed, full email, no salutation

"Bob says you owe him $875 for looking after doggie up to next month and he wants nothing else to do with either of you. He just thinks its too cruel to put doggie through it all. Jx"

We didn't respond, we were too shocked and hurt. Then this

"I think the way Bob sees it would be the same as if you decided to send us Emma. You would pick a nice cage and put her favorite rug and toy in. Everyone would be nice to her but you don't know how long she would have to wait at airports and if it would be cold or hot or dark or bright lights. She wouldn't have much to eat because they wouldn't want her to vomit. She would be terrified. She just wouldn't understand.

Everyone says what a sweet nature doggie has. When Bob walks her I leave them at xxxx Road and he has about 4 0r 5 stops along the highway as doggie stops and he thinks she is worried because I am by myself.

He has said if you came back he would have no hesitation to give her back to you.Mx "

Emma is our DH - BTW

DH responded with this:

"We understand your concern and think Doggie is very lucky to have so many people who love her. You must respect our decision whether you agree or not. We did discuss this before we left and while we appreciate everything you have done for her while she has been with you she is a part of our family and we would like her to be with us. Please confirm your account details and we will forward you the money that is owed.

P.S. We are also ‘your’ family and to say you want nothing more to do with us, has hurt us deeply."

MIL response:
"It is hurting us deeply too. Bob just thinks you are mean people to put doggie thru this. I am just the piggy in the middle.My stomach clamped when Bob started talking about this on Saturday night and was just starting to unclamp when I read your email today. Bob is 70 next year so is unlikely to change his thinking. Our memory of you leaving was you saying you were going for 2 years and maybe 3. We never thought it would be 2 & 1/2 years before it was suitable for you to get doggie. I understand that you are allowed to change your plans. Doggie is of course quite happy here and won't remember you when she sees you. Love Mum"

That is it.

So now we are so confused about what to do.

Bob is not my DH's dad he married MIL when DH was an adult.

If we let them keep our dog we feel like they have stolen her from us.

The damage to the relationship has already been done. we used to get along very well with Bob, having BBQ's at his house, normal happy family environment. I don't know what MIL thought sending us nasty emails would achieve. And what really get's me is her sticking the knife in by saying doggie won't remember us. Which is not true, because I have returned to my family home after many years away and my dog still remembers me there. So MIL is just being hurtful.

How can we get our dog and stop them behaving so childish and being so nasty. Of course we know the flight is not going to be pleasant but millions of dogs do it every year, and arrive safely and live happily with their families.

Or do we just give her up. I feel this is abandonment. I am her mummy.

We are so hurt by this situation, we really don't know what to do.

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 10 February 2011 - 20:16
So what was the outcome?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 04 February 2011 - 05:44
OP, have you actually asked the in-laws if they want to keep your dog?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 23:29
Why did you not bring the dog with you when you first moved ? Surely, if he was a true member of the family then you would have brought him regardless.. And in my opinion this is no place for dogs - it's way too hot and i can't believe their quality of life doesn't suffer in the summer... If it was me i would do the decent thing by the dog AND the inlaws and leave him be.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 23:28
Agree totally with you on this one Aroha
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 23:25
and yet the folks would be quite happy to give up dog if the OP and family move home. Its not that they love dog and can't bear to be without her, she is being used as an emotional tool in a battle already, and that just stinks. The plan was for them to look after dog while the family was away up to 2 and a half years...that was the plan, they are now reneging on their part of bargain 2 years on. It's not about the animals welfare or what is best for dog at all in their minds, is what I get reading it.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 23:03
Humpf (love the name, he's my DD's favourite!), I feel very sorry for you as I know how much you must miss your doggie (we had to leave our two behind in another country so can sympathise very much). However, if he is only four, and has been with your MIL and Bob for two years, then that is a lot of time to him, half his life, and he will now think they are his family, he doesn't understand the principal of 'temporary'. Never mind the tense situation between the humans, all that matters are doggies feelings. And standing back and looking objectively at the situation, it would be better for him to stay with them. As others have said, the weather is much more dog friendly in Australia and it would be a wrench for him to be dragged away from his 'family' even if you think that YOU are his family... We might be moving back to where are dogs are, and I know in my heart, even though I would want my babies back, and their new family have said they will always be our dogs, that I could never take them away again, they have a loving, stable home and we would move again at some point in the future and who would know if we could take them with us again. Even though you plan to be in Dubai for a while, who knows what the future brings? As others have said, there are lots of dogs in Dubai that would love to come and be part of your obviously loving home, could you find it in your heart to adopt one of them? They would be very lucky! All the best to you with your decision.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:48
I doubt it if the dog knew the arrangement was temporary. In his head he is probably with his new owners. Australia is a much nicer country with better weather for a dog. Two years is a very long time and can defnitely not be classed as temporary anymore. Be the better person and let them keep the dog they clearly love and adore.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:30
arohadxb - Re mind games... I was referring to the mind games the MIL and BOB are playing on the OP.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:29
I don't think it should be a battle between the 2 parties regardless of who is being petty. It should be about the dog... and only about the dog. Whats best for the dog?!! Clearly the dog is dearly loved by both parties. Do you want to let the dog live its happy loving life in Australia where the weather is more kind ALL year round and the dog doesn't have to go through the whole transportation process for what, a couple years in Dubai before being shipped off the the next location you move to? Or put the dog through the whole transportation process, bring it here, will still be loved dearly but for most of the year the weather is not desirable (definitely not as nice as Oz) then put the dog through the whole transportation process AGAIN when you decide to move on to the next country? THEN when you finally decide to move back to Oz the poor thing has to sit in Quarrantine for 6 months or so? Its hard but I think whats best for the dog is to leave it in Oz. I have seen first hand pets being transported by airlines and yes, its all done well and professional... but I have seen dogs very very unhappy and stressed behind the scenes in the baggage area... broke my heart. and yet we have people on here (EW) wishing to rehome their pets rather than transport them to another country, and they are held up for ridicule, villified and called every type of irrisponsible monster under the sun for not wishing to take their beloved pooch or moggy with them. Are we now to give them every compassion because after all they may just not have it in them to transport their animals and subject them to such cruelty? This thread is about this this situation... not about anyone or everyone else. I am responding to OP with MY PERSONAL OPINION and only taking THIS situation into account. At this present time I have not and will not give any other particular situation a thought. Se has asked our opinions and I have given mine. I respect yours even though it may be different to mine. Now please respect my right to voice my opinion. Thank you and am now done with this thread. OP will make their own decision, just hope its about the DOG and not the petty mind games being played. Sorrry shellly, but how incredibly ridiculous to get so upset and personal (mind games???!!! WHAT?) over a discussion. I do have an opinion that obviously differs from yours quite radically, fair enough. No one has said anywhere that an opinion cannot be voiced? Why is mine so terribly obnoxious to you? In fact, don't answer that, I don't really care. .What I am trying to do here for the OP is give her many different veiwpoints to concider in what is a horrible situation. I sincerely do not want her bombarded with oh poor dog, poor bob, and feel pressureed into making a decision that may not be right for her and her family. is that ok with you?
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:21
Well said SueB! (as always!)
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:19
look, this is a very unfortunate situation. leaving the dog with them for 6 months ok, and have the dog sent. Leave the dog with them for 2 years and then expect them to give up the dog. Not on. sorry. The dog might have originally been yours, but the dog is now theirs, he has organized his little brain to have them as his family, you visit. I might think their response could be a wee bit over the top but come on, 2 years? it is time to settle the rift, visit your dog when you are home and leave him where he is, with people who obviously are loving him to death and do not want to part with him. Apparently, they are treating him as part of the family and do not want to be separated from him. They do put forward some valid points so, let them have Smokey(fill in name lol) and forgive them for loving your dog too much.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:16
I don't think it should be a battle between the 2 parties regardless of who is being petty. It should be about the dog... and only about the dog. Whats best for the dog?!! Clearly the dog is dearly loved by both parties. Do you want to let the dog live its happy loving life in Australia where the weather is more kind ALL year round and the dog doesn't have to go through the whole transportation process for what, a couple years in Dubai before being shipped off the the next location you move to? Or put the dog through the whole transportation process, bring it here, will still be loved dearly but for most of the year the weather is not desirable (definitely not as nice as Oz) then put the dog through the whole transportation process AGAIN when you decide to move on to the next country? THEN when you finally decide to move back to Oz the poor thing has to sit in Quarrantine for 6 months or so? Its hard but I think whats best for the dog is to leave it in Oz. I have seen first hand pets being transported by airlines and yes, its all done well and professional... but I have seen dogs very very unhappy and stressed behind the scenes in the baggage area... broke my heart. and yet we have people on here (EW) wishing to rehome their pets rather than transport them to another country, and they are held up for ridicule, villified and called every type of irrisponsible monster under the sun for not wishing to take their beloved pooch or moggy with them. Are we now to give them every compassion because after all they may just not have it in them to transport their animals and subject them to such cruelty? This thread is about this this situation... not about anyone or everyone else. I am responding to OP with MY PERSONAL OPINION and only taking THIS situation into account. At this present time I have not and will not give any other particular situation a thought. Se has asked our opinions and I have given mine. I respect yours even though it may be different to mine. Now please respect my right to voice my opinion. Thank you and am now done with this thread. OP will make their own decision, just hope its about the DOG and not the petty mind games being played.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:10
I don't think it should be a battle between the 2 parties regardless of who is being petty. It should be about the dog... and only about the dog. Whats best for the dog?!! Clearly the dog is dearly loved by both parties. Do you want to let the dog live its happy loving life in Australia where the weather is more kind ALL year round and the dog doesn't have to go through the whole transportation process for what, a couple years in Dubai before being shipped off the the next location you move to? Or put the dog through the whole transportation process, bring it here, will still be loved dearly but for most of the year the weather is not desirable (definitely not as nice as Oz) then put the dog through the whole transportation process AGAIN when you decide to move on to the next country? THEN when you finally decide to move back to Oz the poor thing has to sit in Quarrantine for 6 months or so? Its hard but I think whats best for the dog is to leave it in Oz. I have seen first hand pets being transported by airlines and yes, its all done well and professional... but I have seen dogs very very unhappy and stressed behind the scenes in the baggage area... broke my heart. and yet we have people on here (EW) wishing to rehome their pets rather than transport them to another country, and they are held up for ridicule, villified and called every type of irrisponsible monster under the sun for not wishing to take their beloved pooch or moggy with them. Are we now to give them every compassion because after all they may just not have it in them to transport their animals and subject them to such cruelty?
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 22:08
quarrantine into oz and nz is only 6 months if one hasnt kept up to date with rabies titre testing. if we're only going to concider the animals wellbeing then the OP had best take into concideration if the old people can exercise animal adequetely, and for how long will they be able to keep that up? Can they afford vets and asscociated costs on a pension? What happens to animal if it out lives the elderly folk? Not pleasant to think about, but if bobs behaviour is going to be excused on account of his advanced years, then one really should think rather carefully about that as well. There is a minimum quarrantine period of 30 days for OZ. exactly. Hardly the grim 6 months origonaly stated, no? Oh geez! I did say that I only THINK it was 6 months or so... didn't say it was definitely 6 months. We can all have our opinion about where the dog should live... only OP will make that decision.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:49
quarrantine into oz and nz is only 6 months if one hasnt kept up to date with rabies titre testing. if we're only going to concider the animals wellbeing then the OP had best take into concideration if the old people can exercise animal adequetely, and for how long will they be able to keep that up? Can they afford vets and asscociated costs on a pension? What happens to animal if it out lives the elderly folk? Not pleasant to think about, but if bobs behaviour is going to be excused on account of his advanced years, then one really should think rather carefully about that as well. There is a minimum quarrantine period of 30 days for OZ. exactly. Hardly the grim 6 months origonaly stated, no?
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:48
My Dad is close to "Bob's" age and there is no way that he would act in this way! my dad is a lot older than bob and, oddly enough, still quite capable of behaving like a rational adult. Whether he chooses too or not is another story...;)
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:30
quarrantine into oz and nz is only 6 months if one hasnt kept up to date with rabies titre testing. if we're only going to concider the animals wellbeing then the OP had best take into concideration if the old people can exercise animal adequetely, and for how long will they be able to keep that up? Can they afford vets and asscociated costs on a pension? What happens to animal if it out lives the elderly folk? Not pleasant to think about, but if bobs behaviour is going to be excused on account of his advanced years, then one really should think rather carefully about that as well. There is a minimum quarrantine period of 30 days for OZ.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:30
My Dad is close to "Bob's" age and there is no way that he would act in this way!
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:26
quarrantine into oz and nz is only 6 months if one hasnt kept up to date with rabies titre testing. if we're only going to concider the animals wellbeing then the OP had best take into concideration if the old people can exercise animal adequetely, and for how long will they be able to keep that up? Can they afford vets and asscociated costs on a pension? What happens to animal if it out lives the elderly folk? Not pleasant to think about, but if bobs behaviour is going to be excused on account of his advanced years, then one really should think rather carefully about that as well.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:14
I don't think it should be a battle between the 2 parties regardless of who is being petty. It should be about the dog... and only about the dog. Whats best for the dog?!! Clearly the dog is dearly loved by both parties. Do you want to let the dog live its happy loving life in Australia where the weather is more kind ALL year round and the dog doesn't have to go through the whole transportation process for what, a couple years in Dubai before being shipped off the the next location you move to? Or put the dog through the whole transportation process, bring it here, will still be loved dearly but for most of the year the weather is not desirable (definitely not as nice as Oz) then put the dog through the whole transportation process AGAIN when you decide to move on to the next country? THEN when you finally decide to move back to Oz the poor thing has to sit in Quarrantine for 6 months or so? Its hard but I think whats best for the dog is to leave it in Oz. I have seen first hand pets being transported by airlines and yes, its all done well and professional... but I have seen dogs very very unhappy and stressed behind the scenes in the baggage area... broke my heart. Quarrantine for 6 months or so, is a really good point. Yeah I think its 6 months - in any case its a LONG time. The Aussies are strict!
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:11
I don't think it should be a battle between the 2 parties regardless of who is being petty. It should be about the dog... and only about the dog. Whats best for the dog?!! Clearly the dog is dearly loved by both parties. Do you want to let the dog live its happy loving life in Australia where the weather is more kind ALL year round and the dog doesn't have to go through the whole transportation process for what, a couple years in Dubai before being shipped off the the next location you move to? Or put the dog through the whole transportation process, bring it here, will still be loved dearly but for most of the year the weather is not desirable (definitely not as nice as Oz) then put the dog through the whole transportation process AGAIN when you decide to move on to the next country? THEN when you finally decide to move back to Oz the poor thing has to sit in Quarrantine for 6 months or so? Its hard but I think whats best for the dog is to leave it in Oz. I have seen first hand pets being transported by airlines and yes, its all done well and professional... but I have seen dogs very very unhappy and stressed behind the scenes in the baggage area... broke my heart. Quarrantine for 6 months or so, is a really good point.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:08
Am presuming Bob is retired, seems that he walks the dog daily, it is his companion and gives him purpose and routine..... Think you should think of your FIL feelings and how strongly he is attached to the dog. Why not get a new puppy for Emma and the family here and let your DH's father have the dog...... Seriously is it really worth creating all this animosity over a dog that was little more than a pup when you left? You really should be the bigger people and let the dog stay with your FIL - it will teach your daughter to take other peoples feelings into consideration.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:07
Whilst I am an animal lover, I cannot believe that the parents are putting the animal before their son and his family so much so that they will not want any more to do with you if you bring your pet over! Plus the fact that they are asking for $875 for looking after your dog. If they loved him that much, they wouldn't even ask this!!! That is only because they are so hurt and torn up about losing the dog, desperate emotional talk, old people get like that when they don't have much in their lives, after all their family has gone all they have is the dog.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:03
They're not doing themselves any favours by being so manipulative. It was kind of them to help you out, but you've been paying for the upkeep of the dog and even discussed this issue from the start (with their reassurance that it wouldn't be a problem). As I understand it, you would have had the dog flown out a year ago, but felt compassion when they lost their own pet, so didn't want to push the issue. Fair enough. What it comes down to is that this is your dog, everyone knows it's your dog and did so from the beginning, and that's that. 'Bob' and MIL are adult enough to go and adopt a rescue dog if they want one so badly. I know pets have their own personalities so it's not that black and white, but that's their only option. Perhaps you could go over and fetch the dog yourself - maybe this would be better?
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:03
I don't think it should be a battle between the 2 parties regardless of who is being petty. It should be about the dog... and only about the dog. Whats best for the dog?!! Clearly the dog is dearly loved by both parties. Do you want to let the dog live its happy loving life in Australia where the weather is more kind ALL year round and the dog doesn't have to go through the whole transportation process for what, a couple years in Dubai before being shipped off the the next location you move to? Or put the dog through the whole transportation process, bring it here, will still be loved dearly but for most of the year the weather is not desirable (definitely not as nice as Oz) then put the dog through the whole transportation process AGAIN when you decide to move on to the next country? THEN when you finally decide to move back to Oz the poor thing has to sit in Quarrantine for 6 months or so? Its hard but I think whats best for the dog is to leave it in Oz. I have seen first hand pets being transported by airlines and yes, its all done well and professional... but I have seen dogs very very unhappy and stressed behind the scenes in the baggage area... broke my heart.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:02
Well, a very difficult situation for all involved, but............the OP really should consider the dog's welfare first. Dubai is not doggie heaven, and it has a loving home where it is. And hooters is quite right, she should have taken the dog with her when she moved...........
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 21:01
Whilst I am an animal lover, I cannot believe that the parents are putting the animal before their son and his family so much so that they will not want any more to do with you if you bring your pet over! Plus the fact that they are asking for $875 for looking after your dog. If they loved him that much, they wouldn't even ask this!!!
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 20:54
I disagree, let the old man have the dog.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 20:52
Bob is 70, he has probably grown very attached to dog and when people are old its very hard for them to give things up which has become part of his routine. Taking it for walks is probably just one of the many things that he jpys doing with the dog You gave up the dog when you left it and moved here. If you loved the dog that much and it was part of the family then you should have taken it at the time. You wouldnt leave a child behind. Think at his time of life you should leave the dog with him and perhaps get another dog here. Its pretty mean that he said he wants nothing more to do with you, a complete over-reaction. Suggest that if you let the dog stay with them, you try and get some kind of apology once the dust settles. Dont lose contact with family members over a dog. Hope you sort it out I agree with Hooters, the old man is 70 and has fallen in love with the dog, let them keep the dog and reconsile your differences. Get another dog here if you really want one. 70 is not old, and unless theres a health issue bob has no excuse for acting like a petulant child. He and Mil have known quite clearly that it was a temporary home they were providing...whatever stories theyve been telling themselves to decide otherwise is their problem, not the OP's. I think they can scarcely say 'it's our dog' when the OP has been payiing vet bills and probably other ongoing related costs for the animal while it was housed there. While dubai isnt an ideal environment for dogs, it's is do able, and plenty of people do it. As well as the shipping/ transportation. Comparing an animal with a child is in my opinion as emotionally manipulative as what these parents are doing.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 February 2011 - 20:38
Bob is 70, he has probably grown very attached to dog and when people are old its very hard for them to give things up which has become part of his routine. Taking it for walks is probably just one of the many things that he jpys doing with the dog You gave up the dog when you left it and moved here. If you loved the dog that much and it was part of the family then you should have taken it at the time. You wouldnt leave a child behind. Think at his time of life you should leave the dog with him and perhaps get another dog here. Its pretty mean that he said he wants nothing more to do with you, a complete over-reaction. Suggest that if you let the dog stay with them, you try and get some kind of apology once the dust settles. Dont lose contact with family members over a dog. Hope you sort it out I agree with Hooters, the old man is 70 and has fallen in love with the dog, let them keep the dog and reconsile your differences. Get another dog here if you really want one.
 
 

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