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Latest post on 26 October 2011 - 08:52

Hi Mums,

DD turned 1yr old 2 weeks ago its time for her to change to cows milk. Probably a silly question, but how do I do this? Do I just start one morning by giving her 100% cows milk? Or do I give her a mix of cow and formula in the same bottle a few times? Do I warm the cows milk? Can I give it to her cold? And probably the silliest question of all... do I still need to sterilise her bottles when using cows milk? I would assume so but just want to be sure.
I'm not good with big changes when it comes to DD so this is all a bit nerve wracking, hence all the questions.

Thanks!

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Latest post on 01 November 2011 - 09:32

I think the follow on formulas here are often sweetened and flavoured which is not allowed in the from birth formulas.

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Latest post on 01 November 2011 - 09:30

FM We started with a regular cup too from around 7 months, you have to hold it for them obviously, its easier if its quite full so you don't have to tip so far, just hold it long enough for them to take a mouthful then take it away so they can swallow. If you let him drink form your glass he'll probably be more enthusiastic as babies love to model what mum is doing. I would suspect though that the constipation has less to do with water intake and more to do with your choice of solids, baby rice, potato, apple, carrot and other high starch foods are all hard to digest at that age and notorious for stopping them up. Take away those things completely and replace with apricot, peach, plum, chicken, cauliflower, fish and things will move very quickly. Bananas are ok if they are very very ripe but firm/greenish bananas are very starchy. Yasmine I'm curious as to what you mean by "adult food", assuming you eat healthy foods, its fine for her to eat what you eat if you don't add sugar and salt (you can season yours afterwards). You can definitely add other herbs and spices to give your baby's meals flavour (basil, tarragon, garlic, mint, coriander, ginger, fennel, turmeric .....even chilli, just not sugar, honey or salt) and she doesn't need to be spoon-fed if she would refer it in the same form that you eat it. Sometimes they just get to a point where they want more control over eating. I assume your Dr ruled out reflux as the reason for her refusing to drink?

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Latest post on 01 November 2011 - 09:23

Yasmine, thanks for your reply, but I had 2 top doctors in 2 different countries advise that stage 1 formula truly is the best over the other stages. My baby is receiving iron through her foods so this is certainly not a problem. Thanks everyone for your replies. ;)

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Latest post on 01 November 2011 - 09:13

Yasmine, I wonder what evidence your doctor is using to base his recommendations on. Stage 2 milk is absolutely not necessary and in many countries (those without restrictions on first-stage formula advertising regulations) it does not exist. (eta: there's no evidence that stage 2 will harm, either; it's really up to parents what they choose to do.) That said, particularly with early cord clamping taking place at births in some places, babies often do need iron-rich foods as weaning foods (thus you may see red meat or other iron-rich foods recommended as early foods), and perhaps he feels more comfortable using this as a blanket suggestion if he does not feel qualified to discuss diet and nutrition with parents. In any case, once baby has turned one year old, if a breast-milk substitute is required it's absolutely fine to give fresh cow's milk. edited by BFC on 31/10/2011 well said

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Latest post on 31 October 2011 - 20:57

Yasmine, how did you get your LO to use a glass. Im not having much luck with a sippy cup, so thought Id try a glass to get him to drink more water. He's nearly 7 months and it hadnt occured to me to give him it directly from a glass. He's eating solids well but Im really worried that he's not getting enough fluids as he gets very constipated.

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Latest post on 31 October 2011 - 20:16

Yasmine, I wonder what evidence your doctor is using to base his recommendations on. Stage 2 milk is absolutely not necessary and in many countries (those without restrictions on first-stage formula advertising regulations) it does not exist. (eta: there's no evidence that stage 2 will harm, either; it's really up to parents what they choose to do.) That said, particularly with early cord clamping taking place at births in some places, babies often do need iron-rich foods as weaning foods (thus you may see red meat or other iron-rich foods recommended as early foods), and perhaps he feels more comfortable using this as a blanket suggestion if he does not feel qualified to discuss diet and nutrition with parents. In any case, once baby has turned one year old, if a breast-milk substitute is required it's absolutely fine to give fresh cow's milk. <em>edited by BFC on 31/10/2011</em>

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Latest post on 31 October 2011 - 19:34

Thanks Kiwispiers and Daisy92! Yeah Kiwispiers, she has remained on stage 1 formula this whole year as her docs said the follow on formulas are not needed and the stage 1 is best, thats why I'm not interested on any other formulas. I'm thinking it'll just be so much easier with cows milk as she is now eating the same meals as us so the milk is the next thing to tackle. And being cheaper is a bonus ;) plus it'll make our travelling so much easier with freeing up a lot of extra weight in my carry on bag :D Daisy92, thats a great tip, I'll just add it slowly and offer it to her in her cup while keeping her bottles of formula going for the time being, this way I can monitor how she is taking to it. She did have her first Babyccino the other day with cows milk and she LOVED it, so I know she'll be fine with it, just didn't want to go through a huge change so quickly. So offering small amounts to her for the time being seems a brilliant idea to me! ;) Thanks so much!! Hey Shelly, strangely my pediatrician who comes very highly recommended on this forum told me something different as I too wanted to stay on the newborn formula. He said that babies after 6 months need a lot more iron and that the 6 month to 12 month formula composition was specially made to cater to babies of that particular age but that the difference was not that huge. To answer OP's question, I started out giving cows milk after breakfast, in a regular glass as we never done sippy cups at the table as I think they get to greasy and dirty to properly clean. My son has been drinking from a regular cup since he was 6 months. He is now 1 year and 1 month and he has follow on milk and regular milk. I normally give follow-on milk for his night bottle but every once in a while when I forgot to buy formula he will just have regular milk and he never complains. I do wonder if it is okay to give fresh milk because thats what we are giving as well, both long life and fresh....

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Latest post on 31 October 2011 - 12:33

I understand your point kiwispiers, but it's EXTREMELY difficult for me to feed my DD her meals! She just eats 3-4 spoons & shuts her mouth completely. But if I give her a bite of our "adult" food, she loves it. And she has hated drinking her formula from the time we started her on it. Infact she hated breastmilk too and weaned herself off when she was just 5 months old. After many visits to the doctor, worrying & heartache I realised (or rather my mom revealed to me), that I too had gone through this same behaviour when I was DD's age. Sorry about the long answer. I just thought maybe if I add sugar, she'll enjoy her milk :(

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Latest post on 31 October 2011 - 11:55

Ask yourself why would you WANT to add sugar or salt?. Milk is naturally sweet as it contains lactose, milk sugar I can think of no good reason why you would want to sweeten it further. Nor should there be any need to add salt to food, if you are giving cheese it already contains a fair bit of salt, more than enough for your child's needs. If your child truly won't drink the cows milk as is, you can always blend fruit with it, fresh strawberries or bananas make for a nice smoothie than can be sipped from a regular cup. At least then you are adding nutrition.

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Latest post on 31 October 2011 - 11:22

My daughter just completed 11 months and I was wondering how to go about with introducing cow's milk when I came across this thread. The info given by everyone is very helpful, specially the detailed one by Daisy92. One quick question, did you add sugar to the cow's milk when it was given to them? Is it ok to start giving them sugar/ salt in their food and drinks?

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Latest post on 29 October 2011 - 10:57

If she doesn't seem to tolerate the cows milk at all, goats milk is a great alternative. That's what my daughter drinks. She loves it and it is much easier for her little tummy to break down than cows milk. Just an FYI. :) I have read that camel's milk is the same, also. If you want to try that too. <em>edited by SweetLily on 29/10/2011</em>

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Latest post on 27 October 2011 - 12:45

Thanks for the heads up, nutty! Will definitely keep an eye out for any reaction at all. ;)

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Latest post on 26 October 2011 - 10:42

Just to let you know,we slowly introduced cows milk at 11.5months. IOn DD's cerealin the morning and then a sippy cup with lunch and a formula bottle at bedtime. She was also having a yoghurt or cheese stick now and again. Then we noticed that she started waking up in the night every night for about a month and seemed to have a wheezy chest that she couldn't shake. After a bit of research and doctors visits we discovered it was a reaction to the cows milk. As soon as we limited her dairy products including milk she started sleeping throught the night again and the wheezing cleared up. Doctor said this can be quite common,but just something to look out for.

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Latest post on 26 October 2011 - 09:43

Thanks Kiwispiers and Daisy92! Yeah Kiwispiers, she has remained on stage 1 formula this whole year as her docs said the follow on formulas are not needed and the stage 1 is best, thats why I'm not interested on any other formulas. I'm thinking it'll just be so much easier with cows milk as she is now eating the same meals as us so the milk is the next thing to tackle. And being cheaper is a bonus ;) plus it'll make our travelling so much easier with freeing up a lot of extra weight in my carry on bag :D Daisy92, thats a great tip, I'll just add it slowly and offer it to her in her cup while keeping her bottles of formula going for the time being, this way I can monitor how she is taking to it. She did have her first Babyccino the other day with cows milk and she LOVED it, so I know she'll be fine with it, just didn't want to go through a huge change so quickly. So offering small amounts to her for the time being seems a brilliant idea to me! ;) Thanks so much!!

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Latest post on 26 October 2011 - 09:18

Hi Shelly, I started with using cows milk on DD cereal in the mornings and putting cows milk in a little sippy cup for her to drink cold, instead of giving her a bottle. (I started this around 11 months) Then her other bottles would be formula, for a couple of weeks. I found she was less interested in her bottle after lunch so that soon got dropped and I introduced a yoghurt instead. I gave her formula before bed until I ran out and then gave her warm cows milk and she was fine with that. The health visitor in UK told me that from 1 year you don't need to sterilise the bottles and they only need a total of 1 pint of milk a day. That can be in the form of cheese and yoghurts etc. I give a yoghurt at about a 2ish which is when she used to have a bottle. That keeps her going until dinner. She is 14 months now and doing great. She only has a bottle for bed now and this is slightly warm full fat cows milk. It's tough to make changes as you realise they are growing up so quick.... in the next few months you will notice huge changes and it's lovely. Good Luck and enjoy. :)

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Latest post on 26 October 2011 - 09:12

warming, mixing etc doesn't matter, however she prefers is fine. Technically your bottle teats should be well cleaned and sterilized, same risks apply as formula. Big thing to point out is the only reason to change is that cows milk is cheaper, not better for her in any way than her current formula, follow on milks aren't necessary either, "from birth" formulas are the closest to breast milk.

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Latest post on 26 October 2011 - 08:54

Forgot to add... I'm not keen on all the higher stages of formula.

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