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Evacuation / maids

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 13:43

Just curious really - if and it's a big if, we were ever evacuated from here, what would be our responsibility towards drivers / maids.

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EW GURU
Latest post on 19 March 2011 - 20:39
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215717/pinoy-abroad/phl-officials-assure-pinoys-in-bahrain-of-aid
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 20:59
It' an interesting question. I don't consider my maid as "one of the family" - she's an employee paid to do a job (and a great job she does too!).....I can't see my employer running around trying to evacuate me, would sooner just take matters into my own hands rather than relying on them! Part its part of your sponsorship agreement you as a sponsor agreed to. True, but as I said, in the case of a [u'>serious[/u'> natural disaster, all/any rules would go out the window. Imagine seriously what would go on. The airport is in chaos. Thousands are trying to flee. Are you going to calmly go to Immigration (if it is actually open) and do the appropriate paperwork and then go and wait for your maid to get a flight out (for example) and then go back and get your family?! What, sell the cars on Dubizzle and organize shipping quotes? LOL - we are talking a SERIOUS situation - or are we? edited by Pomegranate on 18/03/2011 edited by Pomegranate on 18/03/2011 In an emergency as long as you took the maid with you to the airport and sorted her a flight. Whose talking about doing appropriate paperwork?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 18:04
Yes, Izzy, you are right. I have been openly accused of poor maid treatment on this board, and have even been called 'odious', as have you Izzy...LOL....yet my maid has a current UK and Schengen visas in her passport, and has travelled to Europe plenty of times. The reason for keeping visas in her passport are for these times, you just never know. It would help us, but also her too. The last place she wants to end up is in her little village back home. As long as you are going to keep on supporting her then then that is great! :) Mind you there are loads here who would hate to "end up in the little village back home" ;) and that's not the Philippines or Sri Lanka!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 17:54
I was 19 at that time and one of those being trampled upon. One kindly lady picked me up and dragged me down the stairs of the bus to safety. What I'm trying to say is that none of us can know what we will do until it happens. x I can tell you from 5 y war experience...there will be ppl sticking together to help each other survive/leave, and there will be ppl making profit from it all, and those who will run and leave everyone behind, particularly maids, labourers. In fact we have already saw it here, as soon as the world crisis hit, all those camps full of labourers abandoned, without water, electricity or food.No money to go back home.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 16:35
Having been in countries with political strife etc you get all of you to the airport with a shed load of USD and you pay for everyone to get out that you feel responsible for. Many countries do not have the money to even organise a flight to get their citizens out. (eg Moroccan people in Yemen at the moment) If, and it's a big if, there were still issues about immigration papers to leave the country during a severe deterioration of stability then i don't what i would do. If there was still time to help others or pay someone off, i would. Hopefully, we would have had time to act before it all got too difficult. Many maids have shengen visas etc but that is because they are expected to work globally and not just in case events came together in 2011 that might mean being evacuated and needing a safehaven.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 16:29
I am speaking from experience and am leaving my part of the discussion at that. <em>edited by marycatherine on 18/03/2011</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 16:05
I think this has kinda of blown out of proportion and I kinda understand where P is coming from. I have a maid, do I consider her as family and the answer is NO. Yes she helps me but she is employed to help me, would I leave her stranded and the answer is NO not because DH is her sponsor but because as a human being I wouldn't leave her but my first responsibility would be to get my 3 year old out safely. When push comes to shove you never know how you may react to situations. When I was younger on my way to work I was on top of a double decker bus going down Whitehall when a motar bomb landed in Downing Street. The bus screeched to halt and people where pushing and shoving, being trampled upon just to get off the bus. I was 19 at that time and one of those being trampled upon. One kindly lady picked me up and dragged me down the stairs of the bus to safety. What I'm trying to say is that none of us can know what we will do until it happens. x
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 16:00
We agree on this. One thing i think is that Dubai is not such a community as other expat countries where disasters and fears bring communities together and therefore these issues are thought about differently. Anyone caught up in the bombings or who has lived under real threats will have a slightly different mentality to the rather everyday comfortable expats that seem to reside here. Maybe a sweeping generalisation, i don't know but it seems to come across like that here. I agree with you - i think once you have lived in a place that has had bombings, and then enforced major security, you do have a slightly higher panic threshold. More of a Dunkirk spirit, if that makes sense. I got so used to have to have mirrors put under the car, armed soldier boys at the entrance to compounds and malls that it became normal.... Although the soldier boys leaning on their guns smoking fags did terrify me, but that's more to do with their own incompetence.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:55
OK let it go at that
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:53
How is it harsh P? I have my own plan - I am not dependent on you. I also have my own ethics/integrity/morality which will not allow me to abandon you to your fate if I have anything to do with it. You've missed the point I was trying to make :)
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:52
SW I am not disagreeing with your point, but I do believe it comes down to the human condition - there but for the grace of God go I - and if I do nothing to try and help no matter our legal connection (or social for that matter), what does that make me? Perhaps there are those who can separate themselves on one level or another, I for one cannot and I am not suggesting you or anyone else can. I take exception to the every man for himself mindset in a situation where I CAN do something, no matter how little (again, not you in this instance). To be honest, I wouldn't be waiting for even my embassy to get me out - they have historically shown themselves to be footdraggers to say the least. I have a plan, I have $$$ and other resources to extricate myself from a negative situation which I hope will serve, I will help anyone I can along the way, as I am sure many of the ladies here would do as well if they can do so without endangering their families. We agree on this. One thing i think is that Dubai is not such a community as other expat countries where disasters and fears bring communities together and therefore these issues are thought about differently. Anyone caught up in the bombings or who has lived under real threats will have a slightly different mentality to the rather everyday comfortable expats that seem to reside here. Maybe a sweeping generalisation, i don't know but it seems to come accross like that here.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:51
How is it harsh P? I have my own plan - I am not dependent on you. I also have my own ethics/integrity/morality which will not allow me to abandon you to your fate if I have anything to do with it. ETA I have my own standards morals/ethics/integrity, I am only making mine clear. <em>edited by marycatherine on 18/03/2011</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:51
It's got nothing to do with whether the person is employed by you or not. It has to do with being a human being and caring for the next person. I don't depend on my employer (because they're idiots) to get me out of this country if the balloon goes up, BUT if my neighbour needed help, I'd do what I could because I couldn't live with myself otherwise. If you can P - good on you. I hope I'm your neighbour should you need help. I hope you're not my neighbour if I need help Your response is harsh! We are not talking about not helping or assisting anyone - we are talking (well I think we are) about [b'>repatriating[/b'> maids/employees - and in this country you need to go the appropriate paperwork to do this. That's what I'm saying, how would you go about it? It would be impossible! There is a big difference between wasting precious time trying to do this and follow the rules in a chaotic situation and helping a neighbour! But P in reality every recent uprising has had notice, they have not just happened overnight, there has been time, how that time has been used is another matter. I think always having paperwork up to date and some cash on hand for evactuation of maid and family is a wise idea. I agree with you here SW; it's very easy to talk about this hypothetically but how one responds will come down to the timing of the event/disaster - whether it is a build up over time (like the ME events) or within seconds (aka Japan).
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:49
Yes, Izzy, you are right. I have been openly accused of poor maid treatment on this board, and have even been called 'odious', as have you Izzy...LOL....yet my maid has a current UK and Schengen visas in her passport, and has travelled to Europe plenty of times. The reason for keeping visas in her passport are for these times, you just never know. It would help us, but also her too. The last place she wants to end up is in her little village back home. In the same way i always had a multiple exit / re-entry visa in my passport when i was in Saudi.... just in case :)
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:47
It's got nothing to do with whether the person is employed by you or not. It has to do with being a human being and caring for the next person. I don't depend on my employer (because they're idiots) to get me out of this country if the balloon goes up, BUT if my neighbour needed help, I'd do what I could because I couldn't live with myself otherwise. If you can P - good on you. I hope I'm your neighbour should you need help. I hope you're not my neighbour if I need help Your response is harsh! We are not talking about not helping or assisting anyone - we are talking (well I think we are) about [b'>repatriating[/b'> maids/employees - and in this country you need to go the appropriate paperwork to do this. That's what I'm saying, how would you go about it? It would be impossible! There is a big difference between wasting precious time trying to do this and follow the rules in a chaotic situation and helping a neighbour! But P in reality every recent uprising has had notice, they have not just happened overnight, there has been time, how that time has been used is another matter. I think always having paperwork up to date and some cash on hand for evactuation of maid and family is a wise idea.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:45
SW I am not disagreeing with your point, but I do believe it comes down to the human condition - there but for the grace of God go I - and if I do nothing to try and help no matter our legal connection (or social for that matter), what does that make me? Perhaps there are those who can separate themselves on one level or another, I for one cannot and I am not suggesting you or anyone else can. I take exception to the every man for himself mindset in a situation where I CAN do something, no matter how little (again, not you in this instance). To be honest, I wouldn't be waiting for even my embassy to get me out - they have historically shown themselves to be footdraggers to say the least. I have a plan, I have $$$ and other resources to extricate myself from a negative situation which I hope will serve, I will help anyone I can along the way, as I am sure many of the ladies here would do as well if they can do so without endangering their families.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:44
Which is why only those who can afford to repatriate a maid at any time should be allowed to have one?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:43
It's got nothing to do with whether the person is employed by you or not. It has to do with being a human being and caring for the next person. I don't depend on my employer (because they're idiots) to get me out of this country if the balloon goes up, BUT if my neighbour needed help, I'd do what I could because I couldn't live with myself otherwise. If you can P - good on you. I hope I'm your neighbour should you need help. I hope you're not my neighbour if I need help Your response is harsh! We are not talking about not helping or assisting anyone - we are talking (well I think we are) about [b'>repatriating[/b'> maids/employees - and in this country you need to go the appropriate paperwork to do this. That's what I'm saying, how would you go about it? It would be impossible! There is a big difference between wasting precious time trying to do this and follow the rules in a chaotic situation and helping a neighbour!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:42
Yes, Izzy, you are right. I have been openly accused of poor maid treatment on this board, and have even been called 'odious', as have you Izzy...LOL....yet my maid has a current UK and Schengen visas in her passport, and has travelled to Europe plenty of times. The reason for keeping visas in her passport are for these times, you just never know. It would help us, but also her too. The last place she wants to end up is in her little village back home.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:42
Actually i posted the question because it was asked about animals and Bahrain on another thread and just wondered what peoples opinions were. I didn't really specify whether it be natural or man-made disaster, but i think the same applies for both. [b'>I think it says a lot about the character (or lack there of) of people who would be willing to abandon someone who has lived with them for however long, [/b'>in a situation that they are not willing to stay in. Especially the amount of times the "they are just like family" phrases is banded around... Agree
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:38
It's got nothing to do with whether the person is employed by you or not. It has to do with being a human being and caring for the next person. I don't depend on my employer (because they're idiots) to get me out of this country if the balloon goes up, BUT if my neighbour needed help, I'd do what I could because I couldn't live with myself otherwise. If you can P - good on you. I hope I'm your neighbour should you need help. I hope you're not my neighbour if I need help MC it does have to do with a responsibility of being an employer and as you say everything to do with being a human being. But how it can even be questioned as to whose responsibility it is to repatriate a maid is beyond me.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:38
Actually i posted the question because it was asked about animals and Bahrain on another thread and just wondered what peoples opinions were. I didn't really specify whether it be natural or man-made disaster, but i think the same applies for both. I think it says a lot about the character (or lack there of) of people who would be willing to abandon someone who has lived with them for however long, in a situation that they are not willing to stay in. Especially the amount of times the "they are just like family" phrases is banded around...
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:36
It's got nothing to do with whether the person is employed by you or not. It has to do with being a human being and caring for the next person. I don't depend on my employer (because they're idiots) to get me out of this country if the balloon goes up, BUT if my neighbour needed help, I'd do what I could because I couldn't live with myself otherwise. If you can P - good on you. I hope I'm your neighbour should you need help. I hope you're not my neighbour if I need help
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:34
It is the responsibilty of the sponsor to get their maid out at the first sign of unrest. In case of a natural disaster, obviously it is a case of do what one can do. We would not leave anyway (for personal reasons), what ever the disaster, but my kids would be sent out, and the maid has visas in her passport to travel with them should it be possible. That is how i see it VP.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:34
Hmm, so you are commenting on a situation that wouldn't affect you anyway. However, kudos for your "stance". ;) I've had maids for 10 years and only this week has my maid now left our employment. Having a maid is a luxury in my opinon and as such the least an employer can do is make sure they can afford to repatriate that luxury.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:33
Isn't it the maid's country's responsibility to evacuate her as she is also an expat? And how is a low income worker expected to pay for that? Or gain the permission to leave? I have no idea. Who pays for the evacuation of expats? Is it not free? If not, how much does it cost? British Embassy in Bahrain were charging about AED1500 for flights to Dubai..
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:33
It is the responsibilty of the sponsor to get their maid out at the first sign of unrest. In case of a natural disaster, obviously it is a case of do what one can do. We would not leave anyway (for personal reasons), what ever the disaster, but my kids would be sent out, and the maid has visas in her passport to travel with them should it be possible.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:31
Isn't it the maid's country's responsibility to evacuate her as she is also an expat? And how is a low income worker expected to pay for that? Or gain the permission to leave? I have no idea. Who pays for the evacuation of expats? Is it not free? If not, how much does it cost? It depends who you are employed by Anon, International companies are paying to get their staff out, some companies allow other expats on to flights at no charge if they have spare seats (BP in Libya). The BE arranges flights at a cost or not depending on circumstances. Local hire you'll be lucky.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:29
Hmm, so you are commenting on a situation that wouldn't affect you anyway. However, kudos for your "stance". ;)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 March 2011 - 15:29
Isn't it the maid's country's responsibility to evacuate her as she is also an expat? And how is a low income worker expected to pay for that? Or gain the permission to leave? I have no idea. Who pays for the evacuation of expats? Is it not free? If not, how much does it cost?
 
 

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