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Why too many documents needed?!

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 16:23

Each time we get close to finally rent a flat something happens!
Summary:
We have a housing allowence through the company my husband works for. Apartment found and ok. Landlord is dautch and not in Dubai. Looks like He gave POA to a reputable house agency for a full management service.
The flat "contract" to be signed btw "our co. and the landlord" whereas the "cheque to be issued to the agency".
The problem is our co. Is asking the POA given to the agency by landlord to be attested! Looks like the landlord should be phisically in Dubai and go to court to do it??!

Is there any way to get it done? And why it should be attested?!
Wr are sick & tired of this whole things ?

I do appriciate your help.

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 09 June 2015 - 04:54
Thanks to you all ladies for the info. & recommendations... We didn't get much from the co. HR person / we told the agent for the possibilities on the POA attest etc but dont think it will work! My husband visited few villas in Falcon, arabian ranches, the Villa etc... All junk... Either too huge with many bed rooms (it's only 3 of us!) or horribly furnished or empty etc... and beleive me, I am not into start making a house from scratch as I did it 6 times during the last 12 years in different countries!! So sick & tired of it and not having that energy level anymore... :sick: There is however a furnished villa in arabian ranches which seems to be not bad compare to others...we are thinking of making an offer... But I will need your advises on few points before that... I'll place a threads ;)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 08 June 2015 - 17:05
Hopefully by now the OP will have found a nice villa in DSO, direct from the LL so no issues around cheques, furnished it entirely from Dubizzle, within 5 minutes from her DD's school. Hopefully. ;)
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 08 June 2015 - 17:03
Hopefully by now the OP will have found a nice villa in DSO, direct from the LL so no issues around cheques, furnished it entirely from Dubizzle, within 5 minutes from her DD's school. Hopefully.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 08 June 2015 - 14:01
Not sure where you are looking but you will find furnished villas in DSO, The Villa or Arabian Ranches. Yes it is rare but they are out there and appear every so often. Also you need to understand how to be a little more savvy with Landlords. You can always negotiate with a landlord about providing white goods and basic furniture inclusive of the rent being asked in order to be within the range of your rent allowance. This is just one example on a quick search. https://www.propertyfinder.ae/en/rent/villa-for-rent-dubai-dubai-silicon-oasis-3308281.html You need to look a lot harder and think how you can make the allowance work for you. Buying some furniture will not cost a lost in comparison to the deal on offer from the company. Also be prepared to negotiate with the company a little more.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 08 June 2015 - 09:24
You definitely want that POA attested. I know somebody that was recently in a similar situation, and the agent was playing the landlord and tenant big time. Basically, they had told the LL that the apartment was being let out at a higher rent in three cheques, they then told the tenant that the rent was a lesser amount but needed to be paid in one cheque. Both sides were happy and agreed to the deal, even though they didn't know the terms that each side had agreed to. The tenant paid the rent to the agent in one cheque, the agent then gave the LL rent equivalent to the first payment (one third of the rent as understood by the LL). Agent cashed in the rest of the money for himself. Agent then replicated the same thing with numerous other people around the same time, and then once he had made a considerable amount he basically packed it all in and ran away! Basically without the POA the person I know would have been in a lot of trouble. With the correct documents what happened is the fault of the LL not hers. So yes, it might seem tedious having to get all these documents attested but it really is in your best interest.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 08 June 2015 - 05:08
He can do a POA in the country he is in now, have it legally translated into arabic, have it attested in that country by the UAE Embassy and then you will have to have it stamped here by the MOFA. (I believe it will have to be a new one and not the one he has already done). It may seem like a lengthy procedure however this is in place to protect you and your Landlord from losing huge amounts of money which has happened to many people over the last few years. Looking at only furnished options will be limiting you hugely. At the moment people are selling all their furniture as a job-lot, you can easily furnish your home cheaply and with everything at one go, have a look at Dubizzle. Then you are not limited to furnished options.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 08 June 2015 - 02:45
I'm sorry I meant 'in worst case' scenario. Most likely it has something to do with the company policy and liabilities. Have you tried asking the hr/pro if there is any other acceptable solution? Maybe someone on here will know if it's a common request, but it doesn't seem unreasonable given the LL status, perhaps he should have had an attestation of the POA on file, I am just not sure. If all else fails, hopefully you will like the one in AR and take it from there. If they will pay 250 plus bills then it's to your advantage. Edited to Add: someone just told me that a POA does need to be attested by the courts here in order for it to be binding, so it does seem like the LL should have had it done while he/she was here. Alternatively I think it can be notarized in their home country (if the agent was there as well) but even then it still has to brought to the UAE embassy there and then have it stamped or whatnot at the Foreign Affairs office here. Many Thanks to you cherpie for the valuable info. We will contact the senior HR person tomorrow to see for any possible solution. Looks like the LL didn't get it done this way! Not sure I understood correctly, if the house agent is in Dubai and LL in his home country, can he still get it done in Dubai embassy there and the document to be sent to Dubai followed by the agent here to obtain any stamp etc? I dont think LL is willing to travel to Dubai to do this!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 22:05
I'm sorry I meant 'in worst case' scenario. Most likely it has something to do with the company policy and liabilities. Have you tried asking the hr/pro if there is any other acceptable solution? Maybe someone on here will know if it's a common request, but it doesn't seem unreasonable given the LL status, perhaps he should have had an attestation of the POA on file, I am just not sure. If all else fails, hopefully you will like the one in AR and take it from there. If they will pay 250 plus bills then it's to your advantage. Edited to Add: someone just told me that a POA does need to be attested by the courts here in order for it to be binding, so it does seem like the LL should have had it done while he/she was here. Alternatively I think it can be notarized in their home country (if the agent was there as well) but even then it still has to brought to the UAE embassy there and then have it stamped or whatnot at the Foreign Affairs office here.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 21:35
So are you saying that your rent is paid by the company? Not a housing allowance given in your bank account? If so, then the company will be totally liable for the rent, deposit, fees, etc and any damages to the unit, maybe that's why they want to make sure it's a legitimate situation. I.e. Not a fake poa so the agency pockets the check and leaves you with no property, and a big headache for the company to recoup. Apologies if I'm not understanding correctly. Yes Cherpie, the allowance of 250 can be paid by the company OR 200 if we want it to be paid to us in our bank a/c (much less unfortunately I know! ) So you think maybe they are worried for a fake POA? I know this house agency is a big one "Edward and towers". honestly, it looks wired to expect the landlord to come to Dubai and goes to Dubai court to attest the POA that he already gave to the agency! I don't know why there shouldn't be any other way to validate this POA? like maybe going to Dubai embassy wherever he is and get it done there or...?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 21:16
You should be able to find a place in DSO certainly for just over 200k....just ask the company to pay it, don't take the cash. I am sure the company will be happy to pay less than 250k. You will be better off as you won't be paying utility bills nor the annual rent increases which can often be 10%. From DSO you can get to the beach in 20mins and you have are really close to school. My youngest child spent close to two hrs a day in the car and that was too much despite giving me quality time to talk to her ( when I wasn't cursing other drivers). Being on the bus from Palm up to DSO will be brutal for your kids, it makes a long day and the buses out here aren't the most comfortable. One or two schools have buses with better drivers than others but the standard of driving of some school bus drivers is appalling. Please note, I am not commenting on your proposed school as I don't recollect seeing any of their buses so I can't comment.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 21:12
I would find an apartment where you are not writing a cheque to an agency, and your LL is not in the country. Did you find a nice apartment near your daughter's school? Yes I wish we could Couchpotato :( There is not many furnished places as everybody knows. My husband visited a furnished house in DSO yesterday which was real junk. He will visit another one in Arabian runches tomorrow...
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 21:02
Wind why are you looking at apartments with such a large budget? You need to get your money to work for you here. Take the allowance as cash to your account, rent a new villa in DSO for under 200K or a bit more and use the rest for bills/set up costs and basic new furniture. Don’t rent an apartment from a LL not in the country without being really really careful. What about maintenance? Have you also checked the LL is up to date with all bills? If you rent of DSO directly maintenance is covered and it is as safe as you can get. If you contact DS rentals they will also know of houses available to rent in DSO that belong to landlords as well as their own houses. The French school is five minutes from DSO Cedre Villas and in there are pools and lovely family communities and shopping facilities. Phase one is very established with parks and a pool. Thanks a lot Lolacat. What you are saying is so true and we thought about cashing the allowance in the beginning as well, but they are smart! The budget is 250 if the place is rented directly through the co. and it is reduced to 200 if you get it cash!! On top of that, if you go for 250, the co. pays the bills. That's why we decided to get a furnished place to get the bills paid off and don't spend money on furnitures etc... So you see, it's not easy... unless finding a place in DSO for 150?! Only in this case it worth buying furnitures, equipments etc and paying the bills I guess (break even) To answer your question for the maintenance, it was the agency who was going to take care of it as was given the full management power by the landlord. We thought we can put a full stop on the subject and focus on sth else but now looks like we are stuck again!
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 17:19
Lola, previous posters have already listed DSO as one of the best options for Wind...
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EW GURU
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 17:18
So are you saying that your rent is paid by the company? Not a housing allowance given in your bank account? If so, then the company will be totally liable for the rent, deposit, fees, etc and any damages to the unit, maybe that's why they want to make sure it's a legitimate situation. I.e. Not a fake poa so the agency pockets the check and leaves you with no property, and a big headache for the company to recoup. Apologies if I'm not understanding correctly.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 17:16
Wind why are you looking at apartments with such a large budget? You need to get your money to work for you here. Take the allowance as cash to your account, rent a new villa in DSO for under 200K or a bit more and use the rest for bills/set up costs and basic new furniture. Don’t rent an apartment from a LL not in the country without being really really careful. What about maintenance? Have you also checked the LL is up to date with all bills? If you rent of DSO directly maintenance is covered and it is as safe as you can get. If you contact DS rentals they will also know of houses available to rent in DSO that belong to landlords as well as their own houses. The French school is five minutes from DSO Cedre Villas and in there are pools and lovely family communities and shopping facilities. Phase one is very established with parks and a pool.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 07 June 2015 - 16:47
I would find an apartment where you are not writing a cheque to an agency, and your LL is not in the country. Did you find a nice apartment near your daughter's school?
 
 

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