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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 14:26
A licensed agency for house sitting I assume? So I need a license to watch my neighbours house. Seems daft but OK I guess they're on their own from now on. Is there a licensed grocery packing agency? Does this mean voluntary work is also illegal? edited by Teabag on 22/03/2011 Why would you tip a bagger? Do you also tip the cashier and the stockboys? I would tip a bagger if they helped me out to my car with all my shopping and unloaded it into my car for me. Do you tip the cashier if she bags the stuff for you?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 14:26
This is what I am beginning to understand. It seems to be a question of perception. One neighbour can do a good deed for another but a maid can't. Sadly it comes down to a question of status. My friends maid is here and will be bored as sin in the holidays when her family are away. Our animals play well together and she would be happy to water my garden and feed all the animals but the perception is such that it would be considered illegal. She would do it without payment but I would feel awful not to be able to thank her in any way. Sad isn't it? Part of living here is accepting that human beings are not treated equally.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 14:23
This is what I am beginning to understand. It seems to be a question of perception. One neighbour can do a good deed for another but a maid can't. Sadly it comes down to a question of status. My friends maid is here and will be bored as sin in the holidays when her family are away. Our animals play well together and she would be happy to water my garden and feed all the animals but the perception is such that it would be considered illegal. She would do it without payment but I would feel awful not to be able to thank her in any way. Sad isn't it?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 14:04
It was just a question. I prefer to pack my own and thus don't tip baggers - but I have seen people do it. I also always ask for 100aed for the car at the gas station, I don't tip there either but I have seen people do it. I am trying to find out exactly what the definition of illegal is - where jobs merge into good deeds, payment into favours. It's a grey area. I think good deeds are ok. It is ok to receive a gift from someone because you helped them out. It is not legal, though, to ask someone else's maid to check up on your house because it will be perceived that you are paying her.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:52
It was just a question. I prefer to pack my own and thus don't tip baggers - but I have seen people do it. I also always ask for 100aed for the car at the gas station, I don't tip there either but I have seen people do it. I am trying to find out exactly what the definition of illegal is - where jobs merge into good deeds, payment into favours. It's a grey area.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:47
A licensed agency for house sitting I assume? So I need a license to watch my neighbours house. Seems daft but OK I guess they're on their own from now on. Is there a licensed grocery packing agency? Does this mean voluntary work is also illegal? edited by Teabag on 22/03/2011 Why would you tip a bagger? Do you also tip the cashier and the stockboys?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:40
A licensed agency for house sitting I assume? So I need a license to watch my neighbours house. Seems daft but OK I guess they're on their own from now on. Is there a licensed grocery packing agency? Does this mean voluntary work is also illegal? If, say, you were given lunch as a thank you for example - is that payment and thus makes the work illegal? I am still not clear where the line is. You can work for free but not take payment but are thank you gifts not payment of a sort? And if not, why can a maid not mind the house of a neighbour? edited by Teabag on 22/03/2011 <em>edited by Teabag on 22/03/2011</em>
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:35
I am still confused. If you watch someone's house/pets/plants as a favour - that's ok If you watch someone's house/pets/plants but are paid - that's illegal. Ok If you watch someone's house/pets/plants and get a gift as a thank you - that's what? I have never considered keeping an eye on my neighbour's house to be a job. I suppose I shall have to reconsider. And the grocery guys? Anyone? Am I illegally paying someone not in my employ? And the petrol guys? If I pay for the petrol but then tip - have I illegally paid someone? Where is the line?? Unless you're using a licensed agency.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:34
I can see that it is illegal but is it fair?????????? To keep someone 'locked up' incase they go and work for a little extra seems inhumane. Just because it is the law, does it make it right???? Maybe, just maybe, one day there will be protests for the bizarre rules against certain sector of workers. Thank god that I was not born into a maid's world.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:23
if you tip the gas station workers, the owners take it at the end of the day. Seriously? Once company told its attendants that they are not allowed to accept tips - was in the news a few years ago. I was looking at the guys in my local gas station recently and they don't have pockets in their trousers or shirts. The only place they can put money is in the bumbags supplied by the company.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:21
if you tip the gas station workers, the owners take it at the end of the day. Hence why most have no pockets in their uniforms?
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:21
if you tip the gas station workers, the owners take it at the end of the day. Seriously?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:19
if you tip the gas station workers, the owners take it at the end of the day.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:18
I am still confused. If you watch someone's house/pets/plants as a favour - that's ok If you watch someone's house/pets/plants but are paid - that's illegal. Ok If you watch someone's house/pets/plants and get a gift as a thank you - that's what? I have never considered keeping an eye on my neighbour's house to be a job. I suppose I shall have to reconsider. And the grocery guys? Anyone? Am I illegally paying someone not in my employ? And the petrol guys? If I pay for the petrol but then tip - have I illegally paid someone? Where is the line??
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:13
I would imagine one maid per household, renewed every year generates a decent cash flow. Why would the govt want to change that? I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head - it's always about money and how much can be squeezed out of people.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:13
you should also take into account that if your mind is doing part time work, she will most likely be paying either the watchmen / security guards in some way or other to be "allowed" to do this.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:12
Bahrain allows part-time maids and I can't see why the practice can't flourish here. It would certainly solve a lot of problems.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:11
Fairycakes - I am not planning anything illegal - I am trying to find out where the line is!!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:10
I would imagine one maid per household, renewed every year generates a decent cash flow. Why would the govt want to change that?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:10
Bahrain allows part-time maids and I can't see why the practice can't flourish here. The rules for responsibility cannot change. This market is a prime target for human trafficking and they would conceal it through this and the courts would have to then start cases of the burden of proof as to whose idea it was for the person to work five jobs. They also can't change because taxes aren't paid. If they bring in tax it will change. The only reason it doesn't matter in other countries is because the g'ment still makes an income from the taxes. Hence tax evasion being the big issue. They are also making employers responsible for their maids full stop. Because while one may only focus on the human detainee issue, there are also the issues of human solicitation and, as I said, trafficking - having them work for nothing People need to understand why legislation has been formed and respect the reasoning behind it. Not just assume that the people who've made it, most of whom are both educated and have the greatest understanding of the social, political, cultural and economic situation in the country, are idiots and don't know what they're doing because we've formulated a better idea, an idea that suits our personal needs better.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:10
So if I just brought her back something really nice from my holiday am I still acting illegally? And what about the grocery guys - is tipping illegal - it's the same thing?
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:10
We originally had a full time maid. Now the kids are grown and I was delighted not to have to have the extra hands. For a few years we have had friends who have been here for the summer come over and look after the dogs and the house. This is the first year that everyone is away simultaneously - after 12 years with animals. It is still possible someone will be in town, it's just such a drag to get someone to come over when there is a maid we know and trust next door who is here anyway - what a palaver!! Unbelievable after reading this whole thread and all the other threads you are going to encourage your neighbours maid to work illegally! She could loose her job be banned and u both maybe fined. People that encourage this behaviour are just as wrong as the maids themselves. You will be breaking the law!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:09
I don't understand why it is illegal for a maid to work for someone else too. A few of my friends have full-time live in maids who would easily have time to work for me too and earn some extra money. It would benefit them financially and me personally as I find dealing with the cleaning agencies tedious and am also worried about how much of the money that I pay the agency actually goes to the maid. However after all the horror stories I am hearing I don't want to put a sponsor family or my own at risk like that.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:05
teabag. you decide with your neighbour, if she can be discrete. Just be ready for worst case.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 13:04
We originally had a full time maid. Now the kids are grown and I was delighted not to have to have the extra hands. For a few years we have had friends who have been here for the summer come over and look after the dogs and the house. This is the first year that everyone is away simultaneously - after 12 years with animals. It is still possible someone will be in town, it's just such a drag to get someone to come over when there is a maid we know and trust next door who is here anyway - what a palaver!!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 12:59
sorry to say this, but did you not consider this before you got a pet, or have things changed? Dealing with pets whilst you're on holiday is easy. So many option, kennels, pet sitters, get a friend to come and stay in the house etc etc.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 12:55
sorry to say this, but did you not consider this before you got a pet, or have things changed?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 12:54
Great - strangers in my house. Fantastic! They're a reputed agency, that many people on here have used. All are professional people with a love for animals.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 12:53
yep rec homely petz, and they are experienced dog handlers unlike maids.Dont ask your friends maid if u get caught u will both be in trouble.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 22 March 2011 - 12:53
Great - strangers in my house. Fantastic! That sounds harsh - sorry - I appreciate the suggestion, thanks anyway! <em>edited by Teabag on 22/03/2011</em>
 
 

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