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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 15:30
I think it says a lot that maids get half the "minimum" maid wage when employed as 'cleaners' on a regular employee visa by companies like Howdra and Explorer. Change the type of visa - and the wage is doubled. Yet its the same work. I'm not saying I agree with one or the other. But it just begs the question - why? There aren't minimums for other employee categories - including categories that entail education and qualifications. 1400aed plus food and accommodation is alot not only in their home countries - but a lot compared to their compatriots here in dubai. How is it that they can enforce minimum wages for one category and not the other?
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 15:21
No, Im not being taken advantage of, thats my point. I will not pay 1400 plus full board and medical with 2 months vaca a year. No way. I am saying yes, there are maids that might be worth it...but how can a maids salary and a professional hotel workers salary be equal? how can people expect 2 months off a year? the latest ive heard is that if they dont go home, you must pay the plane ticket value to them in cash? No, that is not what I agreed to. My point is that these demands by the domestic help, are getting out of hand. If they were hotel workers, they would not get the same salary? they would not get 2 months off a year or a chance to work under the table. I know some might be worth it, but all i am saying is do a salary comparion .....Check around, see what the salarys are for maids in hotels, what the benefits are, and maybe adjust. Someone said a IT person- low level- was making just a few thousand a month. Is IT and maid equal in your eyes?
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 14:40
I meant, I have yet to come across a lady now who is willing to work for less. I interviewd about 7 in total and the bar was set at 2000 per month or 1800 plus plus. thats why I emphasised the NOW.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 14:14
I know lots of people who have Phillapino helpers and they do not pay them 1470 per month. Less in fact. I know of a family who pay 700 and this is now her 3rd year with the family ! I think people are [u'>encouraged[/u'> to pay the 1470 as its deemed fair by the Phillapine government. If you look at any industry sector here in the UAE, there is no minimum wage. Staff are paying according to the market rate and how much the company can afford. I know of IT support staff in huge comopanies here getting paid less than 5 k per month. Mushypeas, make your mind up - earlier you said: << Sorry to seem so blunt but I have yet to come across a lady from the Phillapines who is willing to work NOW for 1472 . It seems that they have raised the minimum wage to 2000 aed internally. >>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 14:13
I have to agree with Dina.. Some of you dont realise that by giving the exorbitant wage that you do, it not only makes it difficult for families who cant afford to give such , but also spoils them rotten. Dh800 is a fotune for them back home, please dont compare the salary with what you would give them in your own home country ..its not the same, Some of the maids (the ones who get paid 1000+) are making more money than the educated lot in their countries, (eg the teachers, accountants, etc,..and maybe even doctors). By being paid this amount, what do you they infer from this.. that it is better to be a housemaid in a European/English/White (or whatever other term they have) than be educated. what message do you think they relay back home? Dont study... just catch hold of such ppl who feel guilty to pay Dh800 or less.. take advantage of these ppl, play on their emotions---and thats exactly what they do ! seriously think about it! You are RIGHT. It really is Econ 101. I feel like my expats moms are being taken advantage of. I caught our maid lying from the start. I dont cook, I dont make coffee or tea. She also can take a afternoon nap in the previous madames home? WHAT? Anyway, just be smart about it. Think about it. Why do maids make a minium wage in the West? there is not much too it. Yes, they babysit. But how hard is it to watch kids when they sleep? Sorry, not worth 2000 per month plus food? Mine eats at least 5-600 per month? Your maid was taking advantage of you, clearly. It doesn't mean other people's maids are not worth what they are paid.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 14:12
They are not just embassy recommended salaries; the UAE government has agreed to them (and agreed to enforce them) too. Whether they actually enforce them is a different matter. There are plenty of things which are illegal here but happen all the time (the latest one I discovered, it is apparently illegal to import toys in the shape of dinosaurs... err, Barney, bye bye??). Disappointing, in this case, though. And the paperwork on the Phillipines side (whcih they need; it isn't as easy to become an expat as it is here) is still somehow going to be filled in wrongly
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 14:10
I know lots of people who have Phillapino helpers and they do not pay them 1470 per month. Less in fact. I know of a family who pay 700 and this is now her 3rd year with the family ! I think people are [u'>encouraged[/u'> to pay the 1470 as its deemed fair by the Phillapine government. If you look at any industry sector here in the UAE, there is no minimum wage. Staff are paying according to the market rate and how much the company can afford. I know of IT support staff in huge comopanies here getting paid less than 5 k per month.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 13:57
(illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) Sorry, you are mistaken. This is from the Philippines Authorities, not UAE. It is nevertheless the law; and has been agreed by the UAE authorities, who have to approve your official contract. If you obtain your maid's visa by fraud (saying you are paying a salary you are not) you are in breach of UAE law. If your maid gets her papers from the Philippines by saying she is accepting a salary higher than the real one, she is in breach of Philippines law. No it is not the law. I can guarantee you that they accept lower than what they say. Call Al Ahliya now and ask them. That's what I thought as well. Otherwise, people at the Immigration would not be making "that's too much" comment while processing the maids' visa. I also know that my Filipina friends do not pay their compatriot the salary stipulated by their own government or provide them with a room as most of them stay in a studio or 1 bedroom apt. And surprisingly, they don't seem to face the same issues that other employers who follow the rules keep on facing.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 13:52
Minimum wages have been set by the embassies of the workers, not the DNRD or UAE government. You are definitely not breaking any UAE law by paying less than the embassy recommended minimum salary.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 13:42
(illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) Sorry, you are mistaken. This is from the Philippines Authorities, not UAE. It is nevertheless the law; and has been agreed by the UAE authorities, who have to approve your official contract. If you obtain your maid's visa by fraud (saying you are paying a salary you are not) you are in breach of UAE law. If your maid gets her papers from the Philippines by saying she is accepting a salary higher than the real one, she is in breach of Philippines law. No it is not the law. I can guarantee you that they accept lower than what they say. Call Al Ahliya now and ask them.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 13:18
I have to agree with Dina.. Some of you dont realise that by giving the exorbitant wage that you do, it not only makes it difficult for families who cant afford to give such , but also spoils them rotten. Dh800 is a fotune for them back home, please dont compare the salary with what you would give them in your own home country ..its not the same, Some of the maids (the ones who get paid 1000+) are making more money than the educated lot in their countries, (eg the teachers, accountants, etc,..and maybe even doctors). By being paid this amount, what do you they infer from this.. that it is better to be a housemaid in a European/English/White (or whatever other term they have) than be educated. what message do you think they relay back home? Dont study... just catch hold of such ppl who feel guilty to pay Dh800 or less.. take advantage of these ppl, play on their emotions---and thats exactly what they do ! seriously think about it! You are RIGHT. It really is Econ 101. I feel like my expats moms are being taken advantage of. I caught our maid lying from the start. I dont cook, I dont make coffee or tea. She also can take a afternoon nap in the previous madames home? WHAT? Anyway, just be smart about it. Think about it. Why do maids make a minium wage in the West? there is not much too it. Yes, they babysit. But how hard is it to watch kids when they sleep? Sorry, not worth 2000 per month plus food? Mine eats at least 5-600 per month?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 12:11
(illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) Sorry, you are mistaken. This is from the Philippines Authorities, not UAE. That was my question. So its not actually illegal to pay less than the minimum? when you apply for your maid's visa, you have to supply her contract. And the salary has to be at least the minimum. Thats what I thought. And yet agencies are saying 1000aed for inexperienced phillipino and 1100aed for an experienced phillipino (one is an agency recommended on here regularly)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 11:55
(illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) Sorry, you are mistaken. This is from the Philippines Authorities, not UAE. That was my question. So its not actually illegal to pay less than the minimum? when you apply for your maid's visa, you have to supply her contract. And the salary has to be at least the minimum.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 11:54
(illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) Sorry, you are mistaken. This is from the Philippines Authorities, not UAE. It is nevertheless the law; and has been agreed by the UAE authorities, who have to approve your official contract. If you obtain your maid's visa by fraud (saying you are paying a salary you are not) you are in breach of UAE law. If your maid gets her papers from the Philippines by saying she is accepting a salary higher than the real one, she is in breach of Philippines law.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 11:50
(illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) Sorry, you are mistaken. This is from the Philippines Authorities, not UAE. That was my question. So its not actually illegal to pay less than the minimum?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 11:38
(illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) Sorry, you are mistaken. This is from the Philippines Authorities, not UAE.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 10:45
Oh, there are those who would do minimum, especially if you go through an agency and get a newbie. If you have experience and good references in your job would you not try for a higher salary than you would get fresh off the boat (plane)? And see Slobber Knocker's post below. There is no unofficial 2K minimum out there.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 10:13
Sorry to seem so blunt but I have yet to come across a lady from the Phillapines who is willing to work NOW for 1472 . It seems that they have raised the minimum wage to 2000 aed internally.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 12 January 2012 - 09:59
&lt;&lt;Philippines labour authorities have urged agents and employers of Filipina housemaids to stick with the minimum wage of $400 (Dh1,472) a month set by the government.&gt;&gt; http://www.emirates247.com/news/400-a-month-minimum-pay-set-for-filipina-maids-2011-07-13-1.407400 Minimum, note, not 'maximum', or 'don't pay more than this or people will get spoiled' or other such gems. There were a few articles in 2011 about maid agencies who were recommended clients not to pay more than $1000 to $1100 for phillipino maids, against the current minimums. Are the minimums law/enforced? How the agencies getting away with recommending paying less? http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/agents-advise-paying-maids-less-than-minimum-wage ETA - added the link to the article in the national <em>edited by SlobberKnocker on 12/01/2012</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 11 January 2012 - 23:28
&lt;&lt;Philippines labour authorities have urged agents and employers of Filipina housemaids to stick with the minimum wage of $400 (Dh1,472) a month set by the government.&gt;&gt; http://www.emirates247.com/news/400-a-month-minimum-pay-set-for-filipina-maids-2011-07-13-1.407400 Minimum, note, not 'maximum', or 'don't pay more than this or people will get spoiled' or other such gems.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 11 January 2012 - 23:25
I don't disbelieve it; I just don't see it as any justification for not paying a fair rate for the job being done. You could live on next to nothing here and send it all home - but I bet you don't. And if you would rather give someone 'handouts', gifts to take home, etc like Lady Bountiful than pay a fair salary, that is your decision too. If someone can earn more as an expat housemaid than a qualified professional at home, then I am not surprised that they would choose that route, no. Money into the economy (through remittances) will ultimately benefit the professionals as well; they can't get paid if noone can afford to pay them.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 11 January 2012 - 23:12
If what I have posted earlier doesnt make sense to some of you, no matter what i say further is ever goin to make any difference. So I will probably not expand further on the topic. I speak from experience from having a maid from a country where Dh800 meant a whole lot.. it meant even being able to buy a house of their own after a few months pay. And she didnt have any expense here in UAE at all. Her telephone bills, food, etc were all paid by me.Even the gifts she would buy to go back back would be paid by me(not all thou, ) Her advice to siblings was to leave studies, and work in ME. I know of maids who have lived off a meagre 700dhs a month salary(however with no other expenses here in UAE-almost all sent home) for maybe 6-7 yrs, who own a house back home, support own family and extended(!) ..have even got relatives children got married off! This probably doesnt make sense to you all.. but its true..
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EW GURU
Latest post on 11 January 2012 - 22:25
Oh please, listen to yourself. They aren't at home; they are here, and if that makes them more money than working as a teacher at home, so be it. My housemaid is in her 50s, and has a college degree. She also happens to be very good, and to make it possible for me to handle a (more than) full time job along with being a single mother to two young children. If I were to insist on paying the (illegal, incidentally - there is a specified minimum for maids from the Philippines; or don't you think that applies to you??) salary you talk about, it would not reflect her value to me, or the responsibilities she takes on. If I wanted to employ a young girl fresh from wherever, I wouldn't pay half as much - but nor would I be able to leave dealing with service providers to her, or feel comfortable leaving the children with her overnight if I have to travel, or any of the rest of it.... You try living *in Dubai* on 1000 dhs a month, sending the lion's share back home to your family, and see if you feel 'spoiled rotten'. And go on, do tell how you think supply and demand is going to suddenly operate so differently that maids who don't have jobs at all aren't going to accept jobs paying the basic minimum, just because those maids who have shown that they are worth it get paid more? (or those who have found a soft touch - but if they aren't worth it, they won't tend to keep those jobs.)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 11 January 2012 - 21:24
I have to agree with Dina.. Some of you dont realise that by giving the exorbitant wage that you do, it not only makes it difficult for families who cant afford to give such , but also spoils them rotten. Dh800 is a fotune for them back home, please dont compare the salary with what you would give them in your own home country ..its not the same, Some of the maids (the ones who get paid 1000+) are making more money than the educated lot in their countries, (eg the teachers, accountants, etc,..and maybe even doctors). By being paid this amount, what do you they infer from this.. that it is better to be a housemaid in a European/English/White (or whatever other term they have) than be educated. what message do you think they relay back home? Dont study... just catch hold of such ppl who feel guilty to pay Dh800 or less.. take advantage of these ppl, play on their emotions---and thats exactly what they do ! seriously think about it!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 09 January 2012 - 11:00
Five years ago all the maids were making 700-800 aed and they were happy! Emiratis are still paying 700-800 aed/month as of now. 700-800 is still a fortune in their country! Why are you paying 3 times as much?? I pay my maid 1,200, and can’t afford to pay more. I have to work and my husband has to work so that we can survive. We need a maid to help take care of the kids in the afternoon, I have no family to help me. You are putting us – employers who can’t pay 1,500-2,000+++ – out of the market. You probably don’t understand how much you are hurting families who really need a maid. I am trying to understand why someone who doesn’t work even needs a maid?? You are putting us – families who are not here on big expat packages – in a big disadvantage and under a lot of pressure. …. We both have to work as well as neither of us are on big expat packages, we also need a maid for childcare. I choose to pay our lady 2100 a month basic as my pay has certainly gone up in the last decade as has COL, why not hers? By your reasoning (or lack thereof) we should all also stop eating as groceries have gone up 25% in last couple of years.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 08 January 2012 - 17:40
I had to register so that I can write my opinion to your discussion. Normally I just read the posts…. My maid came home last Friday asking for 40% raise!!! WHY do you ladies raise the maids salaries so much???? Five years ago all the maids were making 700-800 aed and they were happy! Emiratis are still paying 700-800 aed/month as of now. 700-800 is still a fortune in their country! Why are you paying 3 times as much?? I pay my maid 1,200, and can’t afford to pay more. I have to work and my husband has to work so that we can survive. We need a maid to help take care of the kids in the afternoon, I have no family to help me. You are putting us – employers who can’t pay 1,500-2,000+++ – out of the market. Before anyone tells me to go home if I can’t afford to live here, this IS my home, I have nowhere to return to, I grew up here, you are probably the one who is new here! You probably don’t understand how much you are hurting families who really need a maid. I am trying to understand why someone who doesn’t work even needs a maid?? You are putting us – families who are not here on big expat packages – in a big disadvantage and under a lot of pressure. Also, you are putting your maids sister or cousin or compatriots out of the market as well, since fewer families will be able to afford a a maid, and there will be much less jobs available. A few of my friends had to give up a maid, because they couldn’t keep up with the raising salaries. Now I understand why some employers don’t allow the maid to go out on their own or to even talk to other maids – they don’t want them to be influenced by some spoiled maids…. DinaB, you aren't making sense. How could anyone be putting "your maid's sister or cousin or compatriots" out of the market - if you are right and '700-800 is still a fortune in their country' they will still come and work for that much, even if their sister/cousin/friend is making 2K or more. And if you are right and Emiratis pay 700-800, there must be maids who will work for that, must there not? If you were to rephrase your post using any other job - 'you mustn't pay a teacher that much as then no schools will be able to afford teachers', or 'you mustn't pay your doctor that much' or whatever, it becomes more obvious how illogical it is. It doesn't matter to you what the top end of the market is, so long as there are people who are prepared to come and work for what you are prepared to pay.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 08 January 2012 - 17:34
After saying that, I think champagneblonde is getting taken for a ride though.... Yep, and I agree with Dina too, this is getting out of control. Is she a maid or a personal assistant I wonder? None of my beeswax too, except she did publicly announce it.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 08 January 2012 - 12:58
After saying that, I think champagneblonde is getting taken for a ride though.... :) Agree
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 08 January 2012 - 12:48
but it is none of my business......;)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 08 January 2012 - 12:48
After saying that, I think champagneblonde is getting taken for a ride though....
 
 

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