MMR vaccine... & I'm getting mad | Page 2 | ExpatWoman.com
 

MMR vaccine... & I'm getting mad

74 posts / 0 new
Last post
1340
Posts
EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 11:32
@LivelyTrish. Yes, indeed. Did I read somewhere that polio was also coming back as an effect of people's decisions to stop vaccination of their children, or was it a bad dream? Not a bad dream I'm afraid. In Nigeria for example, there are religious leaders claiming that the vaccine is part of a plot by the West to render children barren.........and I'm sure I've read on forums about parents who should know better refusing vaccinations for health or moral reasons, although I'd assume in most countreis refusal to vaccinate against polio might trigger child endangerment charges. Sadly humans have short short memories, I am old enough to remember both my mother's terror of polio, and can only guess at the amazing sense of relief when the Salk vaccine was announced and made available........I wasn't so happy at the needle (we had to queue up in our classroom for our turn, one of the girls in front of fainted with fear and knocked herself out!) but even at nine years old, i knew that something momentous was happening, and that a terrible threat was being lifted.
414
Posts
EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 11:25
@LivelyTrish. Yes, indeed. Did I read somewhere that polio was also coming back as an effect of people's decisions to stop vaccination of their children, or was it a bad dream? http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1059060,00.html http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5996274/is_polio_back.html?cat=5 http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/11/polio-in-india-many-steps-up-and-a-long-one-back/ http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-12-08-polio-comes-back-to-haunt-africa and so on...no u are not "dreaming"... <em>edited by Goose on 17/01/2011</em>
5400
Posts
EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 11:15
@LivelyTrish. Yes, indeed. Did I read somewhere that polio was also coming back as an effect of people's decisions to stop vaccination of their children, or was it a bad dream?
1340
Posts
EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 11:08
I have a child with a long term illness..for her, chicken pox, rota virus vaccines etc... ARE critical. While they aren't mandatory, the less she is exposed to those illnesses the longer her kidney's will function properly. So, by vaccinating your children, you could be saving another child. (Not directed at hello...just commenting on her comment). edited by GoddessUli on 17/01/2011 Absolutely. My particular issue with CP and rota is that CP doesn't actually stop the child getting CP (so what's the point, imo?!) and rota isn't actually particularly effective, plus it was apparently pushed onto the American "must-have" list by a chap who forgot to declare he held the rights to it when he was made a member of the approval board. I think it's always important to keep a sensible perspective on vaccination. The fact of it is that it has not only saved hundreds of thousands of lives over the last 100 years, but has also eradicated horrible, deadly and debilitating illnesses like small-pox (google it - it's horrid!). It strikes me as a terribly middle-class view to think that we (and our children) can pass on such things as a lifestyle choice. We may be sheltered from a lot, but it's worth bearing in mind that a few thousand miles away from us, there are children still dying from these diseases because they don't have access to vaccines, but would beg to have one. Absolutely agree........all one needs is to walk through any cemetery and look at pre 1950's family gravestones, even in developed countries........the number of children dead in their first few years is chilling. As for two sides of the argument, it is what.....fifteen. twenty years since Andrew Wakefield first published his "findings"......surely if there were any basis for his conclusions, they would have been replicated elsewhere. As it is, sadly and indeed, tragically, he has let a genie out of a bottle and no amount of reassurance seems to counter the damage he has done by his false and selfseeking claims. I was delighted to read that UK authorities are considering a CRIMINAL prosecution for fraud - for the additonal and unnecessary pain he has inflicted on those poor parents who now believe they have harmed ther chldren with the vaccine, and the misery of those whose children have been damaged or died as a result of measles, he deserves to spend a very long time in prison.
5400
Posts
EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:57
@ GoddessUli - Yes, my experience of the chickenpox vaccine is limited. I am with you completely, I had my daughter vaccinated with everything required in the Swiss health system. It didn't include chickenpox at the time and I am glad to hear it is effective for your daughter.
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:56
I have a child with a long term illness..for her, chicken pox, rota virus vaccines etc... ARE critical. While they aren't mandatory, the less she is exposed to those illnesses the longer her kidney's will function properly. So, by vaccinating your children, you could be saving another child. (Not directed at hello...just commenting on her comment). edited by GoddessUli on 17/01/2011 Absolutely. My particular issue with CP and rota is that CP doesn't actually stop the child getting CP (so what's the point, imo?!) and rota isn't actually particularly effective, plus it was apparently pushed onto the American "must-have" list by a chap who forgot to declare he held the rights to it when he was made a member of the approval board. I think it's always important to keep a sensible perspective on vaccination. The fact of it is that it has not only saved hundreds of thousands of lives over the last 100 years, but has also eradicated horrible, deadly and debilitating illnesses like small-pox (google it - it's horrid!). It strikes me as a terribly middle-class view to think that we (and our children) can pass on such things as a lifestyle choice. We may be sheltered from a lot, but it's worth bearing in mind that a few thousand miles away from us, there are children still dying from these diseases because they don't have access to vaccines, but would beg to have one. Two thumbs up!!!
192
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:55
I have a child with a long term illness..for her, chicken pox, rota virus vaccines etc... ARE critical. While they aren't mandatory, the less she is exposed to those illnesses the longer her kidney's will function properly. So, by vaccinating your children, you could be saving another child. (Not directed at hello...just commenting on her comment). edited by GoddessUli on 17/01/2011 Absolutely. My particular issue with CP and rota is that CP doesn't actually stop the child getting CP (so what's the point, imo?!) and rota isn't actually particularly effective, plus it was apparently pushed onto the American "must-have" list by a chap who forgot to declare he held the rights to it when he was made a member of the approval board. I think it's always important to keep a sensible perspective on vaccination. The fact of it is that it has not only saved hundreds of thousands of lives over the last 100 years, but has also eradicated horrible, deadly and debilitating illnesses like small-pox (google it - it's horrid!). It strikes me as a terribly middle-class view to think that we (and our children) can pass on such things as a lifestyle choice. We may be sheltered from a lot, but it's worth bearing in mind that a few thousand miles away from us, there are children still dying from these diseases because they don't have access to vaccines, but would beg to have one.
414
Posts
EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:53
Thanks a lot ladies. Good to know that research was a fraud. So, has anyone given chicken pox vaccine at the same time with MMR or later? I wouldn't give another vaccine at teh same time - I think mmr is enough on it's own. You can vaccinate against chicken pox later if you want to....... We never gave ours the chickenpox vaccine - it's not one that is routinely offered in the UK - in fact I only heard about it when moving here. Both my kids have had chicken pox and breezed through it. edited by Clairehdp on 17/01/2011 Kids doc keeps telling me that the strain in Dubai is different and carries more complications.
481
Posts
EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:52
there is a link to the article that proved that the scientist involved falsified information in his study yes, and he also had a direct financial interest in scaremongering about MMR because he had shares in a company making a single measles vaccine. And don't forget the invasive and painful tests he carried out on his tiny sample of children, which were condemned as unethical and unprofessional by the General Medical Council. The whole thing was just a huge crock of BS. Just as the pharmaceutical companies have financial interest in sponsoring the research against any links of vaccines to autism or other issues. Let's be honest and see both sides of the argument. Vaccines are a money making business (that's evident in the huge difference in cost the gov't charges vs. private doctors) -- it's not for the good of the people that pharmaceuticals are making the medicines. If it were for the good of the people, vaccines would be readily available in places where these diseases are devastatingly present. The point is, parents be informed. Speak to your doctor, research, ask a doctor who you know is opposed to vaccines (maybe a holistic or natural health doctor), get opinions from both sides. Then make your own decision. It is your child and it is your choice...make the best one possible, that's all you can do.
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:52
Thanks a lot ladies. Good to know that research was a fraud. So, has anyone given chicken pox vaccine at the same time with MMR or later? In my limited experience, the chickenpox vaccine is worse than useless - is it obligatory here? I know it is in the States. Worse than useless is subjective I guess... As I said, I have a child with a long term illness..for her, chicken pox, rota virus vaccines etc... ARE critical. While they aren't mandatory, the less she is exposed to those illnesses the longer her kidney's will function. So, by vaccinating your children, you could be saving another child. edited by GoddessUli on 17/01/2011 I thought that the children still get chicken pox - just a milder version of it even having had the vaccine. I'm sure a couple of my friends kids got chicken pox and they had had the jab...... My 14 year old had the cpox vaccine early on and has never contracted it. A year or so ago, when Reagan became ill with her kidney problems, they tested my 14 year old again and she had the immunity so the vaccine was effective.
5400
Posts
EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:52
Sorry, just to add, I had German Measles (Rubella) when I was a child (long before MMR!) and it was ghastly and I was nearly left deaf and blind. It is very sad that childhood diseases which had almost been eradicated because of timely vaccination, at least in the UK, are now reemerging because of scares about ONE limited, fraudulent study in 1997.. I think more children will suffer from these serious childhood diseases than will have autism provoked by the MMR vaccine (I am not a medical person, I just read a bit). I gather autism may be being more routinely diagnosed nowadays than, say, 30 years ago, which also has an effect on the statistics.
2958
Posts
EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:50
Thanks a lot ladies. Good to know that research was a fraud. So, has anyone given chicken pox vaccine at the same time with MMR or later? In my limited experience, the chickenpox vaccine is worse than useless - is it obligatory here? I know it is in the States. Worse than useless is subjective I guess... As I said, I have a child with a long term illness..for her, chicken pox, rota virus vaccines etc... ARE critical. While they aren't mandatory, the less she is exposed to those illnesses the longer her kidney's will function. So, by vaccinating your children, you could be saving another child. edited by GoddessUli on 17/01/2011 I thought that the children still get chicken pox - just a milder version of it even having had the vaccine. I'm sure a couple of my friends kids got chicken pox and they had had the jab......
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:47
Thanks a lot ladies. Good to know that research was a fraud. So, has anyone given chicken pox vaccine at the same time with MMR or later? In my limited experience, the chickenpox vaccine is worse than useless - is it obligatory here? I know it is in the States. Worse than useless is subjective I guess... As I said, I have a child with a long term illness..for her, chicken pox, rota virus vaccines etc... ARE critical. While they aren't mandatory, the less she is exposed to those illnesses the longer her kidney's will function. So, by vaccinating your children, you could be saving another child. <em>edited by GoddessUli on 17/01/2011</em>
2958
Posts
EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:47
Thanks a lot ladies. Good to know that research was a fraud. So, has anyone given chicken pox vaccine at the same time with MMR or later? I wouldn't give another vaccine at teh same time - I think mmr is enough on it's own. You can vaccinate against chicken pox later if you want to....... We never gave ours the chickenpox vaccine - it's not one that is routinely offered in the UK - in fact I only heard about it when moving here. Both my kids have had chicken pox and breezed through it. <em>edited by Clairehdp on 17/01/2011</em>
5400
Posts
EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:46
Thanks a lot ladies. Good to know that research was a fraud. So, has anyone given chicken pox vaccine at the same time with MMR or later? In my limited experience, the chickenpox vaccine is worse than useless - is it obligatory here? I know it is in the States.
414
Posts
EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:44
Just vaccinate by dithering you are putting your child at more risk. And u are basing your doom and gloom on what exactly? Unvaccinated children are at more risk than vaccinated children of contracting childhood diseases and lowering herd immunity. load of rubbish. UK schools are actually seeing the re-emergence of Measles and Mumps amongst children because parents have decided to not vaccinate. No vaccine runs at 100% efficiency, so even some of the vaccinated kids are getting it too... all because some didn't. Mine are getting theirs at the appropriate times following the UK system (13 months, 3-4yrs annnnnd... can't remember). This is one of the ones I consider very important. Chicken pox, rota virus, etc... I don't. All over the States and EU...there is emergence of these diseases unfortunately. I did gave Rota to my youngest one, after terrible experience in the family, hospitalization etc.poor little thing.
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:43
Just vaccinate by dithering you are putting your child at more risk. And u are basing your doom and gloom on what exactly? Unvaccinated children are at more risk than vaccinated children of contracting childhood diseases and lowering herd immunity. load of rubbish. UK schools are actually seeing the re-emergence of Measles and Mumps amongst children because parents have decided to not vaccinate. No vaccine runs at 100% efficiency, so even some of the vaccinated kids are getting it too... all because some didn't. Mine are getting theirs at the appropriate times following the UK system (13 months, 3-4yrs annnnnd... can't remember). This is one of the ones I consider very important. Chicken pox, rota virus, etc... I don't. I have a child with a long term illness..for her, chicken pox, rota virus vaccines etc... ARE critical. While they aren't mandatory, the less she is exposed to those illnesses the longer her kidney's will function properly. So, by vaccinating your children, you could be saving another child. (Not directed at hello...just commenting on her comment). <em>edited by GoddessUli on 17/01/2011</em>
32
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:41
Here's an update from the New York Times from last week: [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/opinion/13thu2.html?scp=2&sq=autism&st=cse'>Autism Fraud[/url'> And in the American Medical News: [url=http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2011/01/17/prbf0117.htm'>BMJ: Study linking vaccines, autism was a fraud[/url'> And from the British Medical Journal (this is the original investigative piece that the other two articles I've cited are referring to): [url=http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347.full'>How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed[/url'>
192
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:40
Just vaccinate by dithering you are putting your child at more risk. And u are basing your doom and gloom on what exactly? Unvaccinated children are at more risk than vaccinated children of contracting childhood diseases and lowering herd immunity. load of rubbish. UK schools are actually seeing the re-emergence of Measles and Mumps amongst children because parents have decided to not vaccinate. No vaccine runs at 100% efficiency, so even some of the vaccinated kids are getting it too... all because some didn't. Mine are getting theirs at the appropriate times following the UK system (13 months, 3-4yrs annnnnd... can't remember). This is one of the ones I consider very important. Chicken pox, rota virus, etc... I don't.
5400
Posts
EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:39
my kids at 13 months. Just do it. Why are you scared? More children have suffered through catching these diseases than any from the vaccine (has that been proven yet? don't think so) There wasn't any panic in the mind before I read some articles with MMR can be related to cause autism. So, in my home country measles vaccine is due at 9months & MR (measles & rubella) vaccine is due after age 3yrs. So, there's no MMR in that schedule & I honestly haven't seen autism people there; I'm sure there're some but I mean seems cases are very rare. So, I'm just doubtful about MMR. From what I read at the time there was the fuss about the (very doubtful) research on a v small population by one Swedish (sorry, British - study in Sweden?) doctor on the relationship between the MMR vaccine and autism, the link seemed to arise because the MMR vaccine was given to young children at around the same time autism is often diagnosed in children of this age, so it is difficult to make the distinction between the reaction to the vaccine and the "onset" of autism. IYSWIM. I think there is at least one mother here who might be able to tell you of her experience with autism, and I'd be interested to know if she felt there was any link between MMR and autism in her child's case. <em>edited by simpleasabc on 17/01/2011</em>
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:37
There is a saying...why put off tomorrow what you can do today? While contracting the illnesses is slim, putting off the vaccine only gives that much more opportunity to get the illness.
414
Posts
EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:35
there is a link to the article that proved that the scientist involved falsified information in his study yes, and he also had a direct financial interest in scaremongering about MMR because he had shares in a company making a single measles vaccine. And don't forget the invasive and painful tests he carried out on his tiny sample of children, which were condemned as unethical and unprofessional by the General Medical Council. The whole thing was just a huge crock of BS. bottom line is, he lied and cheated, falsified the research, he is even stripped of his right to practise medicine in UK...and probably caries blood on his hands.
3220
Posts
EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:35
You can delay MMR until later. We gave our son his at two years. Seperate vaccines are not available in Dubai anymore.
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:34
there is a link to the article that proved that the scientist involved falsified information in his study yes, and he also had a direct financial interest in scaremongering about MMR because he had shares in a company making a single measles vaccine. And don't forget the invasive and painful tests he carried out on his tiny sample of children, which were condemned as unethical and unprofessional by the General Medical Council. The whole thing was just a huge crock of BS. And the fact that in his small sample of children, he forgot to mention that a number of them had issues prior to even becoming part of the study.
516
Posts
EW GURU
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:33
there is a link to the article that proved that the scientist involved falsified information in his study yes, and he also had a direct financial interest in scaremongering about MMR because he had shares in a company making a single measles vaccine. And don't forget the invasive and painful tests he carried out on his tiny sample of children, which were condemned as unethical and unprofessional by the General Medical Council. The whole thing was just a huge crock of BS.
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:33
my kids at 13 months. Just do it. Why are you scared? More children have suffered through catching these diseases than any from the vaccine (has that been proven yet? don't think so) There wasn't any panic in the mind before I read some articles with MMR can be related to cause autism. So, in my home country measles vaccine is due at 9months & MR (measles & rubella) vaccine is due after age 3yrs. So, there's no MMR in that schedule & I honestly haven't seen autism people there; I'm sure there're some but I mean seems cases are very rare. So, I'm just doubtful about MMR. It has been proven that there is no link between MMR and Autism. The scientist who did the study falsified and misrepresented much of the data.
414
Posts
EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:31
Sant, the monovalent measles vaccine used to be available in Dubai. Try contacting the American Hospital. xx that is where i got it for my kids.
2958
Posts
EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:31
I chose MMR after hours of research and talking to many medical specialists. I chose the mmr over individual jabs too as I couldn't face my kids having 3 seperate jabs - they both hate injections with a passion. both were fine and neither even had a rise in temperature - just bumbled along as normal.
736
Posts
EW GURU
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:29
DD had it done at 17 months. I had a long chat with my step MIL as she was a nurse and had sat on committees that discuss vaccines and she felt it was safe to give. We had already come to this conclusion but wanted to discuss it with her just to clarify.
53
Posts
EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:29
Each parent needs to decide for their child as they feel best. I don't criticize those who opt out of it for their children even though I don't agree with their choice. As a parent we are responsible for making informed decisions for our children with regards to their health and safety until they age where they are able to do so themselves. I'm a mother of four ranging from 19 to 1.5 but that doesn't make me an expert. The best person to be discussing this with is your personal physician.
 
 

ON EXPATWOMAN TODAY