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Latest post on 28 January 2016 - 13:01

Wait for the fines to appear, sometimes camera randomly flashes but there will be no fine :)

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 14:58

What would help with some drivers, although not all, is average speed cameras same as they have in the UK in places. This may then stop certain drivers going over the 20kph &amp;quot;buffer&amp;quot; and then slamming on their brakes as soon as they see a speed camera. Also a great number of them need to learn lane discipline. I must admit I take great pleasure in driving past people who I have seen lane hopping to try and end up in the fastest moving lane and then getting stuck ;) It happens most mornings on SZR. Drivers in the fast lane are going slower than ones in the slower lanes What is it here with drivers desperate to get into the fast lane when other lanes are clear and my pet hate is the drivers who sit in the second to fast lane and won't budge. No wonder people undertake as they cannot get into the fast lane to overtake! They need to be fined too!!! True 'cause most people seem to have just one idea and that's to get across all lanes to the fast lane as soon as they enter the road. Dangerous in itself!! I'm more than happy to stay in the 3rd or 4th lane out and sail past all the rest :biggrin: Shhh, GE ;) Don't let our little secret out that the 3rd and 4th lanes on SZR are actually the "fastest" :cool:

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 14:41

What would help with some drivers, although not all, is average speed cameras same as they have in the UK in places. This may then stop certain drivers going over the 20kph &amp;quot;buffer&amp;quot; and then slamming on their brakes as soon as they see a speed camera. Also a great number of them need to learn lane discipline. I must admit I take great pleasure in driving past people who I have seen lane hopping to try and end up in the fastest moving lane and then getting stuck ;) It happens most mornings on SZR. Drivers in the fast lane are going slower than ones in the slower lanes What is it here with drivers desperate to get into the fast lane when other lanes are clear and my pet hate is the drivers who sit in the second to fast lane and won't budge. No wonder people undertake as they cannot get into the fast lane to overtake! They need to be fined too!!! True 'cause most people seem to have just one idea and that's to get across all lanes to the fast lane as soon as they enter the road. Dangerous in itself!! I'm more than happy to stay in the 3rd or 4th lane out and sail past all the rest :biggrin: Me too although I rarely move out of the slow lane in the mornings :biggrin:

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 14:31

What would help with some drivers, although not all, is average speed cameras same as they have in the UK in places. This may then stop certain drivers going over the 20kph &quot;buffer&quot; and then slamming on their brakes as soon as they see a speed camera. Also a great number of them need to learn lane discipline. I must admit I take great pleasure in driving past people who I have seen lane hopping to try and end up in the fastest moving lane and then getting stuck ;) It happens most mornings on SZR. Drivers in the fast lane are going slower than ones in the slower lanes What is it here with drivers desperate to get into the fast lane when other lanes are clear and my pet hate is the drivers who sit in the second to fast lane and won't budge. No wonder people undertake as they cannot get into the fast lane to overtake! They need to be fined too!!! True 'cause most people seem to have just one idea and that's to get across all lanes to the fast lane as soon as they enter the road. Dangerous in itself!! I'm more than happy to stay in the 3rd or 4th lane out and sail past all the rest :biggrin:

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 14:27

What would help with some drivers, although not all, is average speed cameras same as they have in the UK in places. This may then stop certain drivers going over the 20kph "buffer" and then slamming on their brakes as soon as they see a speed camera. Also a great number of them need to learn lane discipline. I must admit I take great pleasure in driving past people who I have seen lane hopping to try and end up in the fastest moving lane and then getting stuck ;) It happens most mornings on SZR. Drivers in the fast lane are going slower than ones in the slower lanes What is it here with drivers desperate to get into the fast lane when other lanes are clear and my pet hate is the drivers who sit in the second to fast lane and won't budge. No wonder people undertake as they cannot get into the fast lane to overtake! They need to be fined too!!!

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 14:08

What would help with some drivers, although not all, is average speed cameras same as they have in the UK in places. This may then stop certain drivers going over the 20kph "buffer" and then slamming on their brakes as soon as they see a speed camera. Also a great number of them need to learn lane discipline. I must admit I take great pleasure in driving past people who I have seen lane hopping to try and end up in the fastest moving lane and then getting stuck ;)

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 14:03

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does. As FD rightly points out, the grace/buffer/leeway or whatever you want to call it is in place for a reason and exists all over the world. It is legal and the police do not hide it. In fact, publicising it makes much more sense. The quality of the newer roads here is outstanding and the limits and buffers are put in place accordingly. Bigger, wider roads have bigger buffers and smaller, narrower roads have smaller buffers. The people who cause speeding accidents are either driving way over the limit or way under the limit, actually! Plus, how often do you get a chance to even drive close to the speed limit with the traffic jams we face on a daily basis, thanks to all the lovely drivers who feel the need to change lanes every five seconds because the other one seems faster :angry: Urgh the lane changers do my head in and they NEVER get any further either. It's very frustrating to me that in the UAE you have massive 6 lane highways, but so many traffic issues on them, because people don't drive properly. Yet in somewhere like Germany, where you have a two lane autobahn, with NO speed limit and everything moves and is great with no issues, purely because people are disciplined, courteous and stick to the road rules. I couldn't agree more. The autobahn is a great example! When the RTA started the Canal project, they put in place a "detour" which was exactly the same as the original road - i.e. the number of lanes stayed the same (so there was no merging) and the speed limit was also unchanged (100). This was very clever on RTA's part and widely advertised in all of the newspapers! Despite this, for months we suffered through horrendous traffic jams northbound that would suddenly disappear once you got past the Safa Park interchange. Clearly, people were hitting the brakes as they approached the "detour" (for God knows what reason) and causing tailbacks. I honestly don't think most people have a clue how much damage they cause by suddenly slowing down on a highway. The impact can be felt for kilometres behind and anyone who has used or seen traffic simulation software will understand this. Now that the Canal bridge has opened, the traffic jams have "mysteriously" disappeared and its smooth all the way to the Trade Centre in the mornings. It just goes to show how much people's fears have to do with the way we drive and how much this has an impact on traffic. The same applies to curiosity and the rubberneckers for which there is still no fine, but there should be! The German police are a force to be reckoned and especially with bad drivers as I found out when I lived there ;-) On the small roads between the villages there were a lot of crashes and every couple of miles you would see a small cross with flowers which meant someone had died in a traffic accident, I never saw any accidents on the autobahns, however drivers would flash you to get out of the way as they do here but they didn't bully you I hadn't driven my car to work for ages and did notice that SZR since the bridge has been put in is a lot quieter and easier to drive on in the mornings

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 14:01

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does. The international standard is not 20%! In most countries the buffer is 5-10%. Someone was telling me recently that in Sweden you only get 4km buffer in an 80km zone as they knew someone who had been fined/points on licence for doing 87km/h

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 13:55

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does. As FD rightly points out, the grace/buffer/leeway or whatever you want to call it is in place for a reason and exists all over the world. It is legal and the police do not hide it. In fact, publicising it makes much more sense. The quality of the newer roads here is outstanding and the limits and buffers are put in place accordingly. Bigger, wider roads have bigger buffers and smaller, narrower roads have smaller buffers. The people who cause speeding accidents are either driving way over the limit or way under the limit, actually! Plus, how often do you get a chance to even drive close to the speed limit with the traffic jams we face on a daily basis, thanks to all the lovely drivers who feel the need to change lanes every five seconds because the other one seems faster :angry: Urgh the lane changers do my head in and they NEVER get any further either. It's very frustrating to me that in the UAE you have massive 6 lane highways, but so many traffic issues on them, because people don't drive properly. Yet in somewhere like Germany, where you have a two lane autobahn, with NO speed limit and everything moves and is great with no issues, purely because people are disciplined, courteous and stick to the road rules. I couldn't agree more. The autobahn is a great example! When the RTA started the Canal project, they put in place a "detour" which was exactly the same as the original road - i.e. the number of lanes stayed the same (so there was no merging) and the speed limit was also unchanged (100). This was very clever on RTA's part and widely advertised in all of the newspapers! Despite this, for months we suffered through horrendous traffic jams northbound that would suddenly disappear once you got past the Safa Park interchange. Clearly, people were hitting the brakes as they approached the "detour" (for God knows what reason) and causing tailbacks. I honestly don't think most people have a clue how much damage they cause by suddenly slowing down on a highway. The impact can be felt for kilometres behind and anyone who has used or seen traffic simulation software will understand this. Now that the Canal bridge has opened, the traffic jams have "mysteriously" disappeared and its smooth all the way to the Trade Centre in the mornings. It just goes to show how much people's fears have to do with the way we drive and how much this has an impact on traffic. The same applies to curiosity and the rubberneckers for which there is still no fine, but there should be!

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 12:44

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does. As FD rightly points out, the grace/buffer/leeway or whatever you want to call it is in place for a reason and exists all over the world. It is legal and the police do not hide it. In fact, publicising it makes much more sense. The quality of the newer roads here is outstanding and the limits and buffers are put in place accordingly. Bigger, wider roads have bigger buffers and smaller, narrower roads have smaller buffers. The people who cause speeding accidents are either driving way over the limit or way under the limit, actually! Plus, how often do you get a chance to even drive close to the speed limit with the traffic jams we face on a daily basis, thanks to all the lovely drivers who feel the need to change lanes every five seconds because the other one seems faster :angry: There is this misconception that slow driving is good driving, which is why you end up with people slouched over their steering doing 70 on SZR and thinking they are "good" drivers. Freeways with wide lanes should have proportionately higher limits, most of the limits, with the grace, in Dubai do make sense.... I don't think anyone is saying slower driving is good or better driving. The faster you drive the longer the stopping distance is hence the reason they are so many crashes. Personally speaking I feel (SZR and other major roads) limit Is too high, as you cannot and people don't keep a safe distance from the car In front and there is too much traffic and bad driving standards. .

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 12:02

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does. As FD rightly points out, the grace/buffer/leeway or whatever you want to call it is in place for a reason and exists all over the world. It is legal and the police do not hide it. In fact, publicising it makes much more sense. The quality of the newer roads here is outstanding and the limits and buffers are put in place accordingly. Bigger, wider roads have bigger buffers and smaller, narrower roads have smaller buffers. The people who cause speeding accidents are either driving way over the limit or way under the limit, actually! Plus, how often do you get a chance to even drive close to the speed limit with the traffic jams we face on a daily basis, thanks to all the lovely drivers who feel the need to change lanes every five seconds because the other one seems faster :angry: There is this misconception that slow driving is good driving, which is why you end up with people slouched over their steering doing 70 on SZR and thinking they are "good" drivers. Freeways with wide lanes should have proportionately higher limits, most of the limits, with the grace, in Dubai do make sense....

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 10:42

yes absolutely! And please don't forget those who are way too smart to go ahead of the line and jump into the busy lane right at the end over the solid white line or the yellow stripped triangle.:nerd:

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 10:15

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does. As FD rightly points out, the grace/buffer/leeway or whatever you want to call it is in place for a reason and exists all over the world. It is legal and the police do not hide it. In fact, publicising it makes much more sense. The quality of the newer roads here is outstanding and the limits and buffers are put in place accordingly. Bigger, wider roads have bigger buffers and smaller, narrower roads have smaller buffers. The people who cause speeding accidents are either driving way over the limit or way under the limit, actually! Plus, how often do you get a chance to even drive close to the speed limit with the traffic jams we face on a daily basis, thanks to all the lovely drivers who feel the need to change lanes every five seconds because the other one seems faster :angry: Urgh the lane changers do my head in and they NEVER get any further either. It's very frustrating to me that in the UAE you have massive 6 lane highways, but so many traffic issues on them, because people don't drive properly. Yet in somewhere like Germany, where you have a two lane autobahn, with NO speed limit and everything moves and is great with no issues, purely because people are disciplined, courteous and stick to the road rules.

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 10:09

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does. As FD rightly points out, the grace/buffer/leeway or whatever you want to call it is in place for a reason and exists all over the world. It is legal and the police do not hide it. In fact, publicising it makes much more sense. The quality of the newer roads here is outstanding and the limits and buffers are put in place accordingly. Bigger, wider roads have bigger buffers and smaller, narrower roads have smaller buffers. The people who cause speeding accidents are either driving way over the limit or way under the limit, actually! Plus, how often do you get a chance to even drive close to the speed limit with the traffic jams we face on a daily basis, thanks to all the lovely drivers who feel the need to change lanes every five seconds because the other one seems faster :angry:

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 09:59

Well..atleast in the UAE, with most ppl I know this is taken as a 'norm'. There is a grace because it is expected to be used, so what RTA is really saying by giving a grace of 20 over a say 100 limit is that they expect the driver to not be over 120kmph. This is how the communication is reaching most of the motorists, I believe. If the intended limit is 100, then the limit is usually set to 80 kmph. Yes it sounds bizzare, yes it is not going by the textbook, but that's what a 'norm' is. This may not be an international norm, but a UAE one. If they decide to take off the grace, and communicate it thru various channels, the motorists' nature of driving will obviously change. So whatever it is at moment, it is how its intended to be by the authorities. Which by all means, they have the right to change with proper communication. As of now, the driving books that we get from the driving institutes, clearly mention this grace as 21kmph. Same information is delivered in the driving lectures. Silvset, there is no reason to be calling out names. There are different ways an information is perceived by different individuals. Many may not agree with your opinion or mine, and everyone has a right to their own opinion. Driving under the 'expected' speed limit does not make some one a bad or an unsafe driver. But yes, there are many unsafe drivers on the road who slow down only at the radars and do not get flashed.

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 09:50

That's the international standard. They're only doing what everyone else does.

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 09:43

Or why don't they just do like most other countries and make people stick to the speed limit!!! I used to wonder the same thing. I've only ever heard of this here...in the US there's none of this buffer business (at least not publicly known). A government/police official explained that they do it because cars are calibrated slightly different depending on how old the car is and how much the car has been driven. So, the speedometer in the car might be slightly off from one car to the next. They allow for a buffer so they aren't overburdened by unfairly "catching" people who aren't really speeding. That was his explanation. I think it makes sense...but people definitely abuse it. Yes but to me a buffer is a few k over. NOT 20!!!

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 09:06

The speed limit is 100. There's usually a grace limit of 20km above the limit. They do this because it's very hard to expect people to drive bang on the limit - cars all run differently, plus people can be slightly over or under. They have been putting sneaky temporary cams about though. The Police and RTA are running a 'black spot' programme and will be reducing limits on certain roads.

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Latest post on 26 January 2016 - 08:26

I am glad you got flashed, maybe this will help with the speeding lunatics on the roads, at least it seems like one will slow down.

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Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 23:30

http://dubai247.ae/dubai-roads-get-new-speed-limits/ I also read something else somewhere that said they have abandoned the grace amount so now the cameras will go off on the limit... That's not what I read. From what I understand, they have lowered the speed limit in several areas and as a result have also lowered the speed limit at which the radar goes off. Also, people think that there is a general "grace" bumper at which the radar goes off on all the roads (either +10 kph or +20 kph over the speed limit). This isn't true. Each road has it's own specific bumper so you really have to be careful. RTA and Police should do a better/wider awareness campaign to make sure the public knows the changes in the speed limits. I can't remember where but I did read that grace limits were being reduced... Personally I don't think it matters what the "grace" is - drivers should just stick to the limits...not rocket science !! lol

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Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 21:53

Or why don't they just do like most other countries and make people stick to the speed limit!!! I used to wonder the same thing. I've only ever heard of this here...in the US there's none of this buffer business (at least not publicly known). A government/police official explained that they do it because cars are calibrated slightly different depending on how old the car is and how much the car has been driven. So, the speedometer in the car might be slightly off from one car to the next. They allow for a buffer so they aren't overburdened by unfairly "catching" people who aren't really speeding. That was his explanation. I think it makes sense...but people definitely abuse it.

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Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 17:21

Keep to speed limit, it's simple really. People who set their cruise controls 20% above the limit deserve to get fined in my opinion.

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Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 17:20

Or why don't they just do like most other countries and make people stick to the speed limit!!!

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 17:15

http://dubai247.ae/dubai-roads-get-new-speed-limits/ I also read something else somewhere that said they have abandoned the grace amount so now the cameras will go off on the limit... That's not what I read. From what I understand, they have lowered the speed limit in several areas and as a result have also lowered the speed limit at which the radar goes off. Also, people think that there is a general "grace" bumper at which the radar goes off on all the roads (either +10 kph or +20 kph over the speed limit). This isn't true. Each road has it's own specific bumper so you really have to be careful. RTA and Police should do a better/wider awareness campaign to make sure the public knows the changes in the speed limits.

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EW GURU

Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 16:42

Same with us, we use Dubai-Al Ain Road all the time, but got flashed the last time we were there - twice! They've reduced the extra grace speed it seems :(

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Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 15:45

http://dubai247.ae/dubai-roads-get-new-speed-limits/ I also read something else somewhere that said they have abandoned the grace amount so now the cameras will go off on the limit...

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 15:44

Or you could keep to the speed limit, which is 100, not 119.

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 15:40

Hi Amyly, I was wondering the same. I have been snapped twice in the last 2 weeks and have used the same road the last couple of years without fines. These are the first two since been in Dubai!

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Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 14:40

Hi Rawla Yea, that's exactly what it says like your example, that's why I know I made a speeding offence. I have been using this road for over an year daily, and when I say that I don't exceed 120 what I actually mean is that my cruise is set at 119 or below. But thanks for the insights, I'll definitely stay lower, specially now.

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Latest post on 25 January 2016 - 13:50

You normally get 19kph leeway with the speed cameras on major roads (like SZR, Al Khail) and 9kph leeway on the smaller roads (like Al Wasl). So if you're doing 120kph, you will be fined. You need to stay at 119kph or below. I was "flashed" a couple of times in past when I was definitely way under the limit but I never received any fines. It was either that the camera was faulty or someone next to me had exceeded the limit and they had been caught. Having said all this, some of the newer cameras are meant to catch you for other offences as well, like tailgating. Check your fines on the police website in the next 24-48 hours. If you do get a fine, it will state what it was for (e.g. exceeding the limit between 20-30kph, which is a Dhs 600 fine).

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