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Toddlers and discipline - SuperNanny required!

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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 09:35

I'm pretty sure a lot of my frustration is to do with the general exhaustion of running around after an active toddler while 8 months pregnant, but DS's behaviour is... somewhat challenging! And I'm not sure I'm going the right way about helping him learn how to behave properly. He's almost 16 months old. Any tips or advice much appreciated!

[u]Feeding[/u]

Some days he's a great eater, other days he's a horror. He wants his own spoon which is great, and I'm trying to get him to feed himself, but he's only interested in bashing up whatever's in his bowl and throwing food/his bowl/his sippy cup/ whatever's in his hand. The other day he had a tantrum because I wouldn't give him the spoon I had, after he'd thrown the one he had, so he snatched it and threw it in my face.

[u]Understanding - and accepting - no! [/u]

I'm pretty sure he understands me when I say no, but he chooses to ignore it most of the time. He tries to climb on the coffee table and jump up and down, which is obviously dangerous, but thinks it's funny when I tell him no and take him down. He wants to play with the dogs' water bowl and dunk his toys in there, and when I say no and take him away the minute my back is turned he's back there. He also likes to post his toys in the bin and even repeats when I say 'dirty', but when I say no he carries on touching the bin.

[u]Tantrums when he doesn't get his own way [/u]

I guess this part is just normal but I'm not sure I'm dealing with it in the right way. For example, when he has his milk before a nap or bedtime he wants to play with the lid of the bottle. So, we have a sip of milk then put the lid back on. Then a sip, then the lid back on. So as you can imagine, it takes forever to finish the milk. This morning I knew he was tired so I took the lid away so he would have his milk, and he had a full-on paddy, flinging his head back and trying to hit me. I took the bottle away and put him to bed. Other times I've tried putting him on the floor if he's been in my arms - and he thinks that's great so he can run around again - or telling him firmly and loudly 'no'. This makes no difference whatsoever.

A friend suggested a naughty step but my chances of him actually staying on there are slim to none, so instead I've brought the travel cot downstairs and if he ignores 'no' or is naughty, I've been putting him in there. The first time he thought it was fun, so that didn't work. The last couple of times he's realised it's not fun in there and he's complained, but I'm just not sure he's getting why he's in there or that he's working out if he misbehaves he gets put in there.

Any other ideas? Or is it just 'suck it up' until he's a bit bigger?

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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 18:24
We've been put in the travel cot twice since lunchtime for trying to climb on the coffee table and I'm not sure it's got me anywhere. He grizzled both times but when I looked over at him or went to get him out he grinned up at me and tried to make me laugh! I think that's the toughest thing at this age... because they basically have the attention span of a goldfish or rather... it's more like training a puppy. If you somehow miss the instant cause/consequence slot, then they just don't get it and move back to default bouncy waggy-tail-ness. So just like a playful puppy, if you tell it off, it may react by looking at you and wagging its tail, basically looking to appease you by showing you why you love it so.... and in the same vein we then have to pretend that that winning smile doesn't melt our heart and keep with the serious cross face. Some puppies instantly look devastated when told off and will do as they're told, others will take the lovable cheeky-chappie approach and try to win you round with their charm. DS does exactly the same to me whenever I'm angry with him... and the worst thing is that I really, really can't help but smile back!
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 15:39
You remind me so much of a friend back home, H.A.K. - I always said when I had kids I'd send them home to Auntie Sonia's School of Discipline if they were naughty! She's firm but fair and doesn't take any messing around :D. Sometimes it's because it's dangerous - the climbing and jumping on the coffee table - and sometimes it's unhygienic, such as playing with the dogs' bowls, but sometimes it's just not appropriate. I guess I need to pick my battles, and make sure I'm focusing on the things that really aren't OK at any time. For the mealtimes I have been trying to be firm and consistent with the throwing. If he chucks his sippy cup, he gets it back once and then not again. If he throws his food, it stays on the floor. With the spoon-throwing, he was bashing what was in the bowl at the same time so that went in the bin and the spoons went in the dishwasher and dinner was over. I guess I do worry that he'll go to bed hungry, though, and won't get why! We've been put in the travel cot twice since lunchtime for trying to climb on the coffee table and I'm not sure it's got me anywhere. He grizzled both times but when I looked over at him or went to get him out he grinned up at me and tried to make me laugh!
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 12:37
Ohhh, DC - all pretty standard, I'm afraid. You're right, however, in thinking that a naughty step/corner is too mature for him. He won't stay, won't understand why she should and certainly won't feel any kind of remorse. Even DS (now 2yrs3 months) has only just cottoned on to it, but he won't say "sorry"! In any of these situations, step back and ask yourself what the actual problem is - is the behaviour dangerous? Is it purely annoying? Is it actually ok, but just inappropriate at that particular time/place? Your reaction should be appropriate to the issue - so for example, throwing a spoon at you after having asked for it, well, that's the end of that game. Full stop. I actually give my two a second chance, but if it goes flying again, that's meal-time over, regardless if they're still hungry or start wailing at me. I don't then have a guilt-trip and feed them snacks or chase them around putting spoonfuls in their mouths... nope, they wanted independence, made their choice and can live by it. Funnily enough, next mealtime, there's no throwing. For the bin, if the message isn't getting through, tape the bin up (still so that you can access it)... after a few futile attempts to open it, he'll stop trying, 'cos it's dull. You can then remove the tape. We had to do this with the floor-drain cover and bed-level light-switches. The dog's water? It's a bowl of water and that's just pure fun! It's like puddles - see a puddle, splash in it! So, either, when you see him wanting to play with water, set up water play in a place that you feel is appropriate or just move the dog's bowl from his reach. In the same sort of way (but not), I found I couldn't potty-train DD on a potty because of the unforeseen play opportunity for DS! Set out the boundaries, pick your battles and stick by your guns. Consistency - you know - is the bottom line.
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 12:23
You're most likely exhausted!!!! DO your best to get as much rest as possible, remember it's his age too and he is just being 'normal' trying to be boss. I too am almost 8 month pregnant and finding it more tiring, thankfully mine are at school in the morning but there was only 2.5 yr gap btw them and it is challenging. Choose your battles was the one piece of advice my mother gave me and she had 5. When u have the baby - u will think to yourself why did I find new born difficult, toddlers are way more challenging LOL lots of hugs your way
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 12:18
DC - it's a journey really and just when you think you have mastered one thing, they come up with another thing you have to deal with. I have a 4 yr old and 18 mnth old and I found consistency to be key. Learnt that from the supernnay programs. The minute I slide on doing the time out thing consistently, I also see a slip in behavior. I also did time out in the play cot when DD was too young to stay in one place and believe me they "get it". One day, I did it in a different place and she miraculously did not move. They HATE time out but it amazingly works wonders and they learn that mommy is serious. It takes a while to get there but after a while you only have to talk once and they will listen without having to give a warning. I taught my maid how to do it correctly too. Just make the "rules" clear. For his age, you can do 1 minute. Its not always nice to do but when you see the pay off (a happier mommy and child all round) its worth it. Sucks to hear them cry though :( Be strong. Hugs....
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 10:55
I'll definitely try the distraction route, as he will come away from whatever he's not supposed to be touching if he has fun stuff to play with instead. I'm not at all fussed about what time he eats, but I've tried lots of different mealtimes and it doesn't seem to make a difference to his behaviour :(. He will eat something whatever time it is, but sometimes he scoffs it all without messing around and other times it takes forever and ends up with the kitchen - and me - looking like we've been in a food fight! Do you think he's too small for the choices or should I start giving him choices even though he doesn't really understand and maybe won't be able to decide? I try to talk to him as if he understands. Do talk to him as if he understands and definitely give him choices all the time - apparently it helps them feel empowered. My DS1 didn't care about clothes, but it helped so much to give my DD1 a choice of what she wanted to wear - even at 12 months. I'd put the 2 choices in front of her and say which one? And she'd always point or take one. Or not, then I'd say, ok, this one with the flowers is nice ... Kids aren't always hungry. The minute he starts playing with his food, take it away. He isn't going to starve if he doesn't eat his lunch ... give it to him later for a snack.
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 10:35
I'll definitely try the distraction route, as he will come away from whatever he's not supposed to be touching if he has fun stuff to play with instead. I'm not at all fussed about what time he eats, but I've tried lots of different mealtimes and it doesn't seem to make a difference to his behaviour :(. He will eat something whatever time it is, but sometimes he scoffs it all without messing around and other times it takes forever and ends up with the kitchen - and me - looking like we've been in a food fight! Do you think he's too small for the choices or should I start giving him choices even though he doesn't really understand and maybe won't be able to decide? I try to talk to him as if he understands.
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 10:18
Actually nat is right - there are a few things you can do. My mom always said to offer two choices - but the choices are, "We can go to bed and read this book about a train or would you rather read that book about the fire truck?" If he doesn't eat straight away, take the food away and let him play. Look out for the signs of hunger, maybe pop a small taste in his mouth, and then put him back in his seat. If a toddler is hungry, he'll eat - if no, he'll play. Definitely the key is being flexible - does it really matter if he eats at 12 or 1? And my mom always said, distract. If he is playing with the dogs water bowl, try putting some pots and pans on the other side of the kitchen and saying, look what I found? Odds are, he'll forget about the water bowl and head for the the "new" toys.
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 10:14
Ditto on family helpers. I've even got three mums to choose from and they're all c**p! Giving choices as ndn says is another good tactic.
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 10:12
A parenting course sounds like a good idea, thanks! I think I need to take a step back and make sure I'm doing the right thing before I do it, and knowing some of those tips and tricks might help. After more than ten years in this place and more than ten years of swearing I'd never get a maid, we are now considering it. We have a lot more space since we moved, I'll have two under two and DH's boss currently thinks leaving the office before 7 is sacrilege. I think it might be a good idea. Grandmas would be no help whatsoever, sadly :(. MIL is coming in a couple of weeks and - aside from the fact I can't stand her - I think she's missing that maternal chip and wouldn't trust her to look after our dogs. My own Mum is one of those 'let's spoil the grandkids and sod what Mum says' kind of grandparents! One thing I think is key, from seeing my sister with her kids, is consistency and I think I really need to make sure I am 100% consistent with him, which is difficult when I'm so tired. It's not fair on him if I'm not, and I think it'll only confuse him. Must work on that bit. Kathyt, this next baby is going to be like your older one. I have ordered a calm, placid, well-behaved little girl :D.
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 09:54
I did a parenting course here in Dubai and there are some great ideas/tricks I learnt... I could add the website of the lady who runs them but would prob get deleted?? Google Sarah Capon I think you will find her site. One thing she taught was to offer choices/consequences-even at a young age-altho you have to be prep'd to follow thru with your choice. So if you carry on doing that I you will go to bed, if you stop we can play with your xxx... You can either eat dinner nicely and have a treat/desert or not eat and there is no more food until next meal. Tantrums are all about attention. Ignore unless he might harm himself. Kids eh!!!
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 09:51
Suck it up until he is bigger. This is where having a grandma, nanny or other help comes in handy. When you get utterly frustrated with all the difficulties of having a toddler, you can hand them off for a few minutes and restore your sanity!
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Latest post on 26 September 2011 - 09:47
T be honest DC, sounds pretty standard. I have one son who was never like this and one who still is at 3 and half. I put it down to strong will and generally different personality to older son. On good days I try to embrace this but must admit his behaviour ESP when out is veeerrrry testing. Example - spinneys last week decided to lie on floor at end of cashiers desk and put plastic bag over his head. When removed and gently told off, kicked off into full blown tantrum and running off etc........leaving mother in bit of state. Think it depends on level of tiredness too. So, my tips, persist with naughty area whatever that may be but remember to explain why you are putting him there. That is key, despite his young age. Speak to him calmly and quietly and walk away if he gets worse. For the smaller incidents, I use distraction to try and diffuse. I choose my battles as well to retain some sanity. If think of any other pearls of wisdom will repost but good luck and you are not alone. Who said parenting was easy?
 
 

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