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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 16:24

Hi ladies,
I am a first time mum with a 6 and a half week old who is a very chilled out baby most of the time - from early on he has slept long stretches at night from 4 hours up to 8 hours on occasion! I am trying to introduce more of a routine during the day now that my Mum has left as he was getting used to sleeping only while being held during the day! Grandma couldn't resist :) Anyway so I have been reading Tracy Hogg's Baby whisperer and trying to do the EASY routine of Eat, Activity, Sleep, You Time during the day but notice her routines generally start around 7am. We've been "starting the day" closer to 8.30 as he generally is up around 3/4am, feeds and then is back to sleep within the hour and sleeps through until then. Should I be waking him around 7am rather than letting him sleep through as this will probably allow an extra feed in the day which might help him extend at night? I have also just introduced the dream feed around 1030 but he still wakes around 3/4am - he's currently having his last feed around 7.30/8pm but maybe I should also move this back....what do you do with your LO's - I'm getting confused!! Thank you!

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 13:07

too true, will just leave him be!!

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 13:04

oh good one!! I also used to obsess over the sleeping in the car seat!! I would leave him... not like it happens every day??

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 12:56

LOL...well I am a bit obsessed with writing down exactly how many feeds/nappy changes etc he has a day already!! Now then, we went out to the mall this morning and he is still asleep in the maxi cosi (been in for about 2 hours now)...I know we should never wake a sleeping baby but it's not good for them to be in the car seat for too long right? Or should I just count my blessings and let him sleep...? ah so many questions!

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 12:40

thanks ladies, will stop obsessing over the night time burps then :) you're only allowed to do this if you replace that obsession with another obsession... for example... obsessing about how many wet nappies a day can only be replaced with obsessing with how much tummy time they've had ad infinitum :):):)

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 12:12

thanks ladies, will stop obsessing over the night time burps then :)

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[ <preening and twirling> :)

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 09:55

100% agree with everything Pentel has said below. <preening and twirling>

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 09:17

100% agree with everything Pentel has said below. As far as burping, we obsessed over it initially but eventully gave up trying and all got more sleep as a result. If a burp hasn't come within 5 minutes, stop trying. They grunt and groan and snuffle all night regardless of gas and many BF babies don't need to be burped really. I found the best way to get a burp was to sit him up after a feed and support him from the front on the chest/below the chin then gently wiggle him around. If no burp then lie him flat on his back sit him up and try again, if not burp, back to sleep. Lots of tummy time by day helps them work the gas out one end or the other and by 3 months I stopped burping him as they start to work the gas out by themselves anyway. You might have to try a bit after the bottle feed, but for the night BF's I def would just leave it. The Daddy shift first thing in the morning is a good one, we still do that every morning before DH goes to work (he is lucky not to have to leave until 8am) it meant in the early days that I could BF at 6:30, and stay in bed all the way until DS went back to bed for his 8am nap (with daddy putting him down) and then stay in bed until he woke from that nap. Vital when you are so sleep deprived at the start!

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 08:49

sounds like a nice chilled out night sydneygal, I experimented with dream feeding before 3 months but found it made no difference to her normal wake up at 1.30am so stopped doing it, I also had a week where I was keeping myself awake till 10.30pm in order to do it so that made no sense to me! I think babies might naturally have a long stretch of sleep so to interupt that with a dream feed is a shame, also a shame that the long stretch of sleep often doesn't coincide with your own! at this age I used to often feed DD to sleep but I would just hold her on my shoulder for 5-10 mins and gently rub her back, if she burped - great, if not then I figured she was comfortable and would put her down. It's hard not to jump up at every noise they make especially when you're sharing a room, sometimes a hand on the tummy through bars of the cot is all it needs to settle them back to sleep. good advice to watch the baby and not the clock but it can be so hectic with the baby that you can sometimes miss subtle cues in the early days, I used to look at the time when DD woke up and then add on 90 mins just to make sure I was watching her as it got nearer to that time (helps if you are pottering about doing jobs or DH has got the baby) this might help, now I know by what noise she makes whether she wants feeding, sleeping, is bored etc so even if I can't see her I know what she wants. have a good day!

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 08:26

thanks everyone and great to hear all your thoughts. So last night DH couldn't get him back to sleep, he was wide awake and cooing away :) So I figured well at least he got a small catnap in, BF'd him at 8 and had him down to sleep by 9. I was then so knackered I forgot the dream feed at 11 but he slept through until 3am (which is very similar to what he does with the dreamfeed anyway so wondering if he really needs it?), he fed again and was down by 4am. I couldnt get him to burp though, sometimes he's so sleepy he just won't but then at 5am he was asleep but making straining noises so I picked him up to see if he'd burp, but no, back to deep sleep within 20 min and then slept through until 7am. THEN he did a massive burp! So fed again and some awake time with Daddy and now has gone down for a nap...result I think! We'll see how the day goes, will go by his cues but at the same time have a loose routine. Another q - what do you do when you can't get your little one to burp? This has happened a few times he's so sleepy so I put him down but then not long later he's making straining noises which sometimes wake him up (definitely wake me up LOL). Should I perservere burping him for longer and risk waking him up?

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 07:33

So really, go by your instinct and do whatever feel good for you and LO. I can second the book by Dr.Marc Weissbluth, it worked so well for us. In there it has a great piece of advice: WATCH YOUR CHILD MORE THAN YOU WATCH YOUR WATCH! *LIKE!*

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 07:22

Sydneygal, at 6 week there is no such thing as habits. When they're so little they are basically all instinct, so no harm is done letting him sleep on you, carrying him to soothe him and bf him to sleep. Expecting him to sleep through the night at this age is simply unrealistic. Their tummy's are so tiny, they simply can't fill up enough to last them more than 4, maybe 6 hours without getting hungry. I did all the above mentioned things with DD, she was literally attached to me or DH for the first 2 months all day long. Then as she go older she started going to sleep by herself, spending more time during the day by herself and now she's 1.5 yo and an independent little toddler who's sleeping really well day and night. The transition was smooth and the so called sleep training (at around 10 months) was easy and only very, very little crying involved. So really, go by your instinct and do whatever feel good for you and LO. I can second the book by Dr.Marc Weissbluth, it worked so well for us. In there it has a great piece of advice: WATCH YOUR CHILD MORE THAN YOU WATCH YOUR WATCH!

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Latest post on 24 June 2011 - 03:34

My DS ( 5 months) starts the day around 8am. Im of the 'never wake a sleeping baby' school. His bed time routine starts around 7.30pm with a shower, then into pjs and a feed. I try to have him in bed by 8-830pm, which fits in well with siblings bedtimes: Ds(13), DD(12) and DD (4) have lights out at 8.30pm. The older 2 start their day at 7.15am, and DD wakes around 8am- same as the LO ( they share a room)

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 21:31

Babe, my DD goes to bed every night at 7pm (non negotiable) and wakes every morning at 7am which is also non negotiable, even if I have to wake her. Edited to add, DD is only 8.5 months - not sure what her timings will be like when she's older... edited by shellly on 23/06/2011 Ha ha ha! My DS (8 months) wakes up for the day at 5 - 5.45am if i'm lucky. Never got to the negotiating table. That must be painful. Does he not go back to sleep?

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 21:25

Babe, my DD goes to bed every night at 7pm (non negotiable) and wakes every morning at 7am which is also non negotiable, even if I have to wake her. Edited to add, DD is only 8.5 months - not sure what her timings will be like when she's older... edited by shellly on 23/06/2011 Ha ha ha! My DS (8 months) wakes up for the day at 5 - 5.45am if i'm lucky. Never got to the negotiating table.

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[ I would always do a "dinnertime" feed (that then got transformed into solid dinner) and then another as part of the bedtime routine, so it was bath (sometimes), book, boob and bed! oo, I should maybe copyright that! lol! the four "b's" rule, love it! I do the same only I do the bath then the boob, then the book, then bed.

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:55

well that didn't work, DH made a bang in the kitchen and he is now wide awake and hiccuping to boot! :( Trying to scoff some dinner now with DH tries to put him back to sleep but methinks he'll be having his second feed soon as per usual! Ooohh don't ya hate that! :(

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:54

It is always nice to read different point of views on how beautifully such contrasting parenting styles works for different babies and parents. And then you can decide what would be the most suitable way forward for you. totally agree, it is important to know you have options, I was raised in a very Dr Sears "attachment" parenting type way while my husband may as well have been Gina Ford's own son. Prior to having kids we always talked about how it really hadn't made any difference to us, we had both felt happy and loved. I think if you are a very schedule focussed person yourself you will find it less stressful to have a routine to plan your day around but if you are less of a clock watcher you will find it very restrictive. Personally although I'm fairly relaxed with timing myself I found, once my baby was old enough to be somewhat scheduled as far as sleep times, that is did make it easier for me to make plans as I would know pretty much at what point he would be at his best, and earlier on, keeping an eye on his length of awake time made it easier for me to be aware of his tired times and make sure he went to bed smiling.

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:53

mishmash and shelly, at around the 6 week stage were you doing a feed just before 7pm bedtime? Tonight his last feed started at 5.15 and went for about 35 mins (BF) and then he was up a bit and had a bath/massage, then quiet time and he was down by 7. Previously he's always had another feed just before bed...? At around that age I gave her a split feed. At 5pm then after her bath/massage which would have been just before 7pm. As you know she is FF not BF so with you BF him I don't really know how or what you should be doing with feeds. Reason I split the feed was she was always too tired to finish her milk right before bedtime so with splitting it she was consuming all or most of it. I agree, I love reading all the different parenting styles. After all we are all different as are our babies, what works for one might not work for the next. As long as we are individually happy with our own style and way that works for our own baby then thats all that matters. ;)

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:53

yes you're right HelloAgain Kitty, it does depend on what suits every individual. I guess I just was not wanting him to only go to sleep at night off the boob but I guess that's silly since he goes down during the day without it (albeit it takes a while, I can't plop him down awake or even semi awake...he won't cry but won't sleep either just chatting away). Am sure will be feeding soon, it's been almost 3 hours now since last feed so doubt he's going to go to sleep again. Can hear DH shshing away through the monitor but don't think it's working LOL...still you never know!

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:49

mishmash and shelly, at around the 6 week stage were you doing a feed just before 7pm bedtime? Tonight his last feed started at 5.15 and went for about 35 mins (BF) and then he was up a bit and had a bath/massage, then quiet time and he was down by 7. Previously he's always had another feed just before bed...? I would always do a "dinnertime" feed (that then got transformed into solid dinner) and then another as part of the bedtime routine, so it was bath (sometimes), book, boob and bed! oo, I should maybe copyright that! lol I was soooo het up about Baaaaaad Habits with my first, but my mum turned round one day and simply said "there's not a bad habit in this world that can't be broken later on"... and remember that one person's "bad habit" isn't another's - co-sleeping is a case in point: some books/people suggest it's a fast track to all kinds of problems, whereas others have no issues with it at all. It all depends what suits you, your baby and your family. Tracy, Gina et al didn't write their books with you specifically in mind and most certainly won't be there with you at 2 in the morning!

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:40

well that didn't work, DH made a bang in the kitchen and he is now wide awake and hiccuping to boot! :( Trying to scoff some dinner now with DH tries to put him back to sleep but methinks he'll be having his second feed soon as per usual!

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:37

Thanks kiwispiers, will have a look at that. The BW book has helped me differentiate sleep/hunger/bored etc cues so its been helpful on that front but obviously we dont fit into the 3 hour routine the book is based on (for a 3 mo). I was just following my DD and we seemed to be getting on fine but (stupid me) saw everyone had thier babies in a routine or working towards one and then i started reading the books and we seem to have gone backwards.... the troubles of a 1st time mum eh?! Totally, I felt the same pressure and read all the books wanting to do it "right", I think the main thing I have learned is you need to tune in to your own baby. It did help to read about tired signs and to be aware of "props", but ultimately since I wasn't prepared to sleep train I was pretty stuck when he didn't naturally "fit". HSHHC was good in making me realise what/how I should work toward and what was developmentally normal. It also advocates CIO techniques further down the track but gives you the option of attachment type parenting methods should you choose. It also says you should never wake a sleeping baby ;). SG, my baby also slept 8pm-4am from around 8 weeks and dreamfeeding didn't change that, go to bed early and enjoy the fact that you can go out in the evening and get a sitter without worrying that your baby will wake. :) The HSHHC book is about figuring out your babies natural routine and I was really on track until 4 months when we travelled back to NZ and all went horribly pear shaped.

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:19

mishmash and shelly, at around the 6 week stage were you doing a feed just before 7pm bedtime? Tonight his last feed started at 5.15 and went for about 35 mins (BF) and then he was up a bit and had a bath/massage, then quiet time and he was down by 7. Previously he's always had another feed just before bed...?

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:14

thanks for all the replies. I'm not that worried, I just want to make sure we're set up so I'm not setting up any bad habits and making sure he gets enough sleep. I'm happy to be led by his cues rather than put him in a rigid schedule but I think babies do need a bit of help...before I made a real effort to get him down for naps during the day he was quite happy to just catnap on whoever was holding him with no real pattern. Amazingly this didn't make him grizzly at night and he still slept very well (as I said from early on doing 4-6 and sometimes 7 hour stretches) but I do think he needed more sleep in the day. I have heard you should never wake a sleeping baby but my thinking about waking him around 7 rather than 8.30 is that we can fit in more feeds in the day and get him to bed earlier, but maybe that doesn't matter? Tonight we just bathed him and he's just gone down (right on about 7) so we'll see what happens next. I normally would do another feed before bed so I'll probably pump to make sure the b00bs don't get too full in case he sleeps through and use that for the dreamfeed, which I may do a bit earlier (9.30/10). If he wakes naturally I'll just BF him. We'll see how we go! If all if this doesn't work and he starts waking more in the night we might go back to what we were doing before....it's a learning curve for all of us! Will try and get my hands on that book too.

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 19:08

My little one wakes up at 7am and sleeps at 7pm. I do wake him up for his dreamfeed at 10.30pm. Actually my routine is exactly like Shelly's and my son's sleep and wake up timings are like in her words "non negotiable" . I started him on Tracy Hogg when he was around 4-6 weeks and really believe that she helped me understand the sleep/tiredness/feeding cues. After that he has been on Gina Ford's CLB sleep-feed-weaning routines and it has works wonderfully for us. A sleep thread always attracts a bit of a discussion ;). Usually one side leans more towards the Dr Sears baby led style and other towards the Gina Ford. Then there is tracy hogg who is kind of in the middle of things. And lastly but not the least is the No Books- mom's own intuition.It is always nice to read different point of views on how beautifully such contrasting parenting styles works for different babies and parents. And then you can decide what would be the most suitable way forward for you.

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 18:06

didn't your mother tell you never wake a sleeping baby?!! I wouldn't wake a 6 week old baby in the morning unless you absolutely have to (to get him to nursery for example) try and go with the flow and don't worry about sleep schedules for a few more weeks (like till he's over 4 months!) I think it's good practice to show him that's it's daytime when he does wake up at any time after 7am, open curtains, go outside or stay by the window for a while (lots of enthusiastic Morning Time!!) just to reinforce the daytime/nightime difference. If you can pick up on his sleepy signs and start a quick no fuss nap time routine and be consistent then hopefully that will pay off and you'll find him easy to get to sleep as he gets older. kiwispiers has mentioned a book by Weissbluith, it's very good as it explains about babys' sleep cycles and sleep maturity at different stages - so you can understand what the baby is capable of at 2 months compared to 6 months, useful to manage our expectations of a baby's sleep when everyone else seems to brag about their baby sleeping through at 8 weeks and having 4 hours of naps in the day!

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 17:36

EmmaH have a read of Heathy Sleep Habits Happy Child, pretty much it says before around 4 months you can't really schedule sleep, but more watch for tired signs and not allow your baby to get over tired as well as introducing bedtime/nap routines/cues. At around 4 months patterns start to become obvious, starting with the first schedule nap, the morning one. The sleep times/nap times/wake times tend to end up pretty similar (they all do because thats when most kids naturally sleep) but I found it more science based and intuitive than the BW and GF and not focussed on scheduled feedings which was better for me. I think you'll find it fits your baby a bit better and might save you some stress. I think there are some good tips in the BW books but it wasn't ideal for my guy who didn't nap as long as suggested in the book and slept much longer without a dreamfeed. I also think (like Gina Ford) she pushes the BF times out a bit too far apart for many women to be able to EBF for much longer than 3-4 months successfully. Thanks kiwispiers, will have a look at that. The BW book has helped me differentiate sleep/hunger/bored etc cues so its been helpful on that front but obviously we dont fit into the 3 hour routine the book is based on (for a 3 mo). I was just following my DD and we seemed to be getting on fine but (stupid me) saw everyone had thier babies in a routine or working towards one and then i started reading the books and we seem to have gone backwards.... the troubles of a 1st time mum eh?!

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 17:30

don't wake them - they need their sleep more than you need to follow a book. Both my two go to bed around 19h/19h30 and are up at around 7h. Since they're in the same room, there are sometimes playful shenanigans for up to a couple of hours after bedtime, but they stay in their room and *should* be going to sleep! Sometimes if they're really tired and are showing all the signs, they'll get an earlier bedtime, sometimes later and the same goes for the morning - sometimes they wake earlier (5h30 I think was the earliest), and occasionally later... but as someone else said, DD knows that if the sun isn't shining, it's not time to get up! (Going to have problems with that in the UK lol!) Lastly, as I said on a different thread, I personally don't think a dream feed does anything to extend a baby's sleep. Both my two (and most babies) have a natural feed at 23h (being 4 hours after their bedtime feed), so will generally wake up and feed anyway - a dream feed is just you getting to them first. Another 4 hours after that takes you to another very normal 3h-4h in the morning feed slot... and then another 4 hours until wake-up at 7h!

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Latest post on 23 June 2011 - 17:29

EmmaH have a read of Heathy Sleep Habits Happy Child, pretty much it says before around 4 months you can't really schedule sleep, but more watch for tired signs and not allow your baby to get over tired as well as introducing bedtime/nap routines/cues. At around 4 months patterns start to become obvious, starting with the first schedule nap, the morning one. The sleep times/nap times/wake times tend to end up pretty similar (they all do because thats when most kids naturally sleep) but I found it more science based and intuitive than the BW and GF and not focussed on scheduled feedings which was better for me. I think you'll find it fits your baby a bit better and might save you some stress. I think there are some good tips in the BW books but it wasn't ideal for my guy who didn't nap as long as suggested in the book and slept much longer without a dreamfeed. I also think (like Gina Ford) she pushes the BF times out a bit too far apart for many women to be able to EBF for much longer than 3-4 months successfully.

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