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Advice/info from wives of nationals who gave up their passports

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 06 February 2012 - 11:01
Oh, I didn't update! Well... I still have my passport. I went (finally) into the book, after a length of running about to get all of the documentation together (which would have been so much easier had we done it YEEEEARS ago when we actually got married, but anyway). They took the application for the passport, including my passport details etc. and it was to be sent to Abu Dhabi. But that's all I heard, and I've not followed anything up, nor has DH, as I'm in the book now and that's enough for now. As AQ said, all positives are within the country, it's the protection in a worst case scenario situation. If Dubai locals got Thiqa similar to AD locals I would be very happy, though. That's my major problem as I have no protection and medicine is costly. Where abouts in the book did they write your name? This is the crucial factor. DH had them put me in the front I think I am on 1st wife page? Have to look. I don't understand the back or front distinction, do I need to be moved? Or do I need my own page> Very confusing.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 06 February 2012 - 10:55
Oh, I didn't update! Well... I still have my passport. I went (finally) into the book, after a length of running about to get all of the documentation together (which would have been so much easier had we done it YEEEEARS ago when we actually got married, but anyway). They took the application for the passport, including my passport details etc. and it was to be sent to Abu Dhabi. But that's all I heard, and I've not followed anything up, nor has DH, as I'm in the book now and that's enough for now. As AQ said, all positives are within the country, it's the protection in a worst case scenario situation. If Dubai locals got Thiqa similar to AD locals I would be very happy, though. That's my major problem as I have no protection and medicine is costly. Where abouts in the book did they write your name? This is the crucial factor.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 04 February 2012 - 21:44
This was such an interesting thread to read through I didn't know anything about that book thing, fascinating insight into the country thank you x
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EW GURU
Latest post on 04 February 2012 - 19:06
The only benefits are within the UAE, once out, then another passport is preferable;) Thank you AQ :-) Yes, I would agree but I suppose I was wondering what those benefits inside of the UAE are. We are married just recently I am in the book but I have not done anything regarding citizenship or passport yet but I am interested i knowing what sort of benefits this afford me. Thanks! :-) Cannot go into detail on here...but once Dubai is your home, and I mean really your home, then you will get it.;)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 February 2012 - 19:04
The only benefits are within the UAE, once out, then another passport is preferable;) Thank you AQ :-) Yes, I would agree but I suppose I was wondering what those benefits inside of the UAE are. We are married just recently I am in the book but I have not done anything regarding citizenship or passport yet but I am interested i knowing what sort of benefits this afford me. Thanks! :-)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 04 February 2012 - 19:00
The only benefits are within the UAE, once out, then another passport is preferable;)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 04 February 2012 - 18:47
I'm curious to know the benefits too, as the UAE passport isn't exactly high on the 'desirable passport' list,,,,,it ranks number 127 just after Sierra Leone, Ukraine and Zambia ;) (I guess if the new holder is (who gave up their passport) from countries listed below that then its a step up) otherwise why? <em>edited by Pomegranate on 04/02/2012</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 February 2012 - 16:27
Whilst searching for information on another topic I came across this thread, and now of course I have a question :):) What is the advantage to giving up citizenship/passport for home country in terms of being married to a national? I was just curious as we were married only recently and while we have done all of this book placement etc etc I did not give up anything (yet!) and thought to ask what the pros to it were :-) Thanks as always!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 16:55
Any update?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 January 2012 - 21:03
Amy, did you finish the process? I am wondering how it all went, and if it is as long of a process as it was for my friend here in Abu Dhabi to move from the back to the front of the family book and be issued with a passport.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 January 2012 - 20:03
I haven't read all of the posts, so forgive if this is repeated information... I don't know if it is similar to the US, but I know when you are going to apply for another citizenship/passport and you are a US citizen, we go to the embassy and ask for an afidavit with a certified copy of the passport. The afidavit basically says that I am a US citizen, and I have the right to apply for X country's passport due to marriage/birth or whatever. Also, that I will be signing a document attesting that I will give up my US citizenship, but in actuality this is not the case. I am not giving up my citizenship, but merely signing a necessary document required by X country, in order to receive their passport. This is notarized by the embassy and then they attach the certified copy of the current passport, then if your US passport is confiscated in the process of applying for the new country's passport/citizenship, and any issue ever arises, you have documentation that you had no intention of actually giving up your US citizenship. I have done this for each of my children who were born in the US, but also obtained their UAE citizenship through their father. I have been in the family book (at the back) for 10 years now, but have not yet pushed my husband to do the application for my passport/citizenship. I have a friend who just completed all of the necessary documents and interviews (after 16 years of marriage). From beginning to end it took nearly a year to complete the process. Hi momof3. Thank you for your info regarding the procedure for US citizens. I wonder if the US embassy still does that. edited by AnonDubai on 01/01/2012 I'm sure they still do it. If in doubt, though, just draw up your own paper with similar wording to what I wrote above and just take it to the embassy for notarization. Also ask them to do a certified copy of your passport to attach to it. It is really a fast and simple thing to have done, and will give you peace of mind for the future.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 January 2012 - 17:56
I haven't read all of the posts, so forgive if this is repeated information... I don't know if it is similar to the US, but I know when you are going to apply for another citizenship/passport and you are a US citizen, we go to the embassy and ask for an afidavit with a certified copy of the passport. The afidavit basically says that I am a US citizen, and I have the right to apply for X country's passport due to marriage/birth or whatever. Also, that I will be signing a document attesting that I will give up my US citizenship, but in actuality this is not the case. I am not giving up my citizenship, but merely signing a necessary document required by X country, in order to receive their passport. This is notarized by the embassy and then they attach the certified copy of the current passport, then if your US passport is confiscated in the process of applying for the new country's passport/citizenship, and any issue ever arises, you have documentation that you had no intention of actually giving up your US citizenship. I have done this for each of my children who were born in the US, but also obtained their UAE citizenship through their father. I have been in the family book (at the back) for 10 years now, but have not yet pushed my husband to do the application for my passport/citizenship. I have a friend who just completed all of the necessary documents and interviews (after 16 years of marriage). From beginning to end it took nearly a year to complete the process. Hi momof3. Thank you for your info regarding the procedure for US citizens. I wonder if the US embassy still does that. <em>edited by AnonDubai on 01/01/2012</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 January 2012 - 15:54
I haven't read all of the posts, so forgive if this is repeated information... I don't know if it is similar to the US, but I know when you are going to apply for another citizenship/passport and you are a US citizen, we go to the embassy and ask for an afidavit with a certified copy of the passport. The afidavit basically says that I am a US citizen, and I have the right to apply for X country's passport due to marriage/birth or whatever. Also, that I will be signing a document attesting that I will give up my US citizenship, but in actuality this is not the case. I am not giving up my citizenship, but merely signing a necessary document required by X country, in order to receive their passport. This is notarized by the embassy and then they attach the certified copy of the current passport, then if your US passport is confiscated in the process of applying for the new country's passport/citizenship, and any issue ever arises, you have documentation that you had no intention of actually giving up your US citizenship. I have done this for each of my children who were born in the US, but also obtained their UAE citizenship through their father. I have been in the family book (at the back) for 10 years now, but have not yet pushed my husband to do the application for my passport/citizenship. I have a friend who just completed all of the necessary documents and interviews (after 16 years of marriage). From beginning to end it took nearly a year to complete the process. Good luck!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 31 December 2011 - 08:40
We went to the court last week and they've been asking for my Emirates ID for everything (possibly the finger prints in there may be used). BUT - I think the court was to reaffirm we are married, maybe? yes! when we went to do our marriage contract we gave them passports of me and my husband and the witnesses but they told them they wanted the Emirates ID and in our marriage certificate where it says ID number they put the Emirates ID number!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 30 December 2011 - 07:03
Excuse my ignorance but can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly is 'a family book'? I've tried googling it but couldn't find an explanation. DC ;) It is called Khulasat Al Qaid in Arabic. This mean the family has nationality, other than just having a UAE passport, as some do, which is basically just a travel document. Without a Khulasat Al Qaid there are many restrictions. It looks like a passport and you keep it with the passports, but copies are required on a regular basis to prove Nationality. Thanks for the explanation AQ. DC :)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 21:55
Excuse my ignorance but can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly is 'a family book'? I've tried googling it but couldn't find an explanation. DC ;) It is called Khulasat Al Qaid in Arabic. This mean the family has nationality, other than just having a UAE passport, as some do, which is basically just a travel document. Without a Khulasat Al Qaid there are many restrictions. It looks like a passport and you keep it with the passports, but copies are required on a regular basis to prove Nationality.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 21:45
Excuse my ignorance but can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly is 'a family book'? I've tried googling it but couldn't find an explanation. DC ;)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 21:21
Congratulations! :D
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EW GURU
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 21:12
I also thought I would have to be in the back for several years, but maybe as we've been married for over 5, near 10, years [b'>and have two, going on 3, children[/b'> things may be different - News? :) :D I thought I'd posted, but I'd posted on the pregnancy forum :) Yes, number three is on his/her way! Just hit the second trimester this week, so sloooowly feeling a LITTLE bit better! :D A BIG surprise! Congratulations.....nice to hear!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 21:11
Well my birth cert is in Arabic anyway, but they did not want it!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 21:05
I also thought I would have to be in the back for several years, but maybe as we've been married for over 5, near 10, years [b'>and have two, going on 3, children[/b'> things may be different - News? :)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 21:02
We went to the court last week and they've been asking for my Emirates ID for everything (possibly the finger prints in there may be used). BUT - I think the court was to reaffirm we are married, maybe? Yes, that will be correct. Good luck Amy...if you need to discuss further then pls email.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 29 December 2011 - 20:57
Amy, have you done the court paper with witnesses and the fingerprints yet? If not then your papers are just to put you in the back of the book I feel (but not sure of course!) If they requested the other documents, then it is moving you to your own page!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 21:04
Are you not glad now you weren't able to renounce your Australian citizenship, Punchbiffpow? Given that you are no longer married to the husband who required it? immeasurably :D Having said that though, - if it weren't for immigration/citizenship ordeals from both countries, we might still be married. <em>edited by punchbiffpow on 28/12/2011</em>
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 20:57
Are you not glad now you weren't able to renounce your Australian citizenship, Punchbiffpow? Given that you are no longer married to the husband who required it?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 20:48
I have no idea not being Australian myself :)...but, in all cases, I personally would strongly suggest that the person with the uestions trot down to the embassy and get the direct answers to questions from the people who supposedly actually know the law ;). From what I read on the site, it will be granted if they have another citizenship and UAE is not an unstable country Idont believe. Also, the UAE will send the form to the embassy someone said so the proof will be there. But, I am no expert. :) I was not able to renounce Australian citizenship - this was based on many correspondences with immigration over a 1-2 year period whilst still inside Australia and trying to move to Saudi with my (then) husband, as well as a couple of consultations with an immigration law professor at my university. It was about 4-5 years ago now (I dont know if it has changed since then, but if it has I'm not aware of it).
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 20:44
being a curious person, I went to the actual website of of Australia and you have to formally renounce your citizenship by making application. You must have proof that you will be a citizen of another country before they will accept your application as they are part of the United Nations against Statelessness. Once renounced you do not have any privleges of an australian citizen. You can apply to resume your citizenship once you prove you no longer will be a resident of another country and you have to be approved by the Aus Government. This is the website. btw, taking up dual nationality is a different thing but if the country you are going to be a new citizen of requires you to renounce your citizen ship, they will require you to fill out the application revoking your right as a citizen of your birth country. You will not have the privleges of your birth country as you will not longer be a citzen. I didnt write it, only read the official site :) http://www.citizenship.gov.au/current/give_up/ This is very interesting. My sister works for Oz immi, and she says that it is very hard to renounce citizenship, as they rarely accept it. Especially if they feel that the country you are changing citizenship to is not 'stable'. Yes - that was my experience with immigration. I was not able to renounce citizenship. I can renounce it informally. Its more or less impossible to renounce it in the sense of having the Australian government formally not recognize you as a citizen. Its all a bit irrelevant really - becuase even if you ever got to that point, you can just take citizenship back at any time. Hence why I think they don't actually allow it in practice. I think its slightly different if you immigrated to australia, and want to move back to your original country who does not accept dual-nationalities. But for Australian-born, its virtually impossible. In my case if I wanted to become a citizen elsewhere - I was free to give back my passport, announce myself a not recognizing myself as a citizen etc but essentially I would still be a citizen. Its not really a big issue anyway - because the host government will more or less be happy enough with you giving back your passport and making a statement that you give up citizenship of the other country - they dont actually enforce you to have a document etc from Australia saying that they no longer recognize you.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 20:37
Okay, to make myself clearer, I think that someone should only sign a document that is written in a foreign language, after they have read a translated copy of that document Understood, but in all fairness, this form is part of the application process for UAE Nationality, and one would be expected to understand it.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 20:34
Okay, to make myself clearer, I think that someone should only sign a document that is written in a foreign language, after they have read a translated copy of that document
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EW GURU
Latest post on 28 December 2011 - 20:34
I have yet to hear of any Consulate or Embassy being sent the passports from the UAE Govt. You misread :)...I said the form, not the passports :). That is what the OP said, I am just repeating :) Sorry, I was actually responding in general....
 
 

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