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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 04 January 2011 - 21:27

The father of the child is British, born in Nigeria. His first born will be born in Dubai. I understand the baby has the same passport as his father (British). Will the baby's passport be a British citizen's passport or a British subject's passport. What is the difference. We want the baby to live in the UK later on and have the same rights as his parents. I am confused and would welcome some guidance. Thank you.

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 23:19
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree. How so? You are joking? (arn't you) I'm sure they would soon change their mind on arrival at Gatwick/Heathrow airport and having to live in such places as Tower Hamlets or where ever they go. I think this obtaining a British passport=better life idea is a massive misconception. Love this idea, Tower Hamlets is probably the lap of luxury for some of these folks and at least they aren't gonna be rounded up by secret police and tortured, one would hope.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 22:24
But what is the difference between someone who is Indian or African - going to the UK, living working and contributing to the economy and getting British citizenship/passport AND someone who is half Asian/half British whose parents have never lived in the UK and who themselves have never lived in the UK and that person getting British citizenship/passport? Do you get my point now? And if if (b) should not be entitled to a British passport, which passport should they get? They've never lived in the other country either. They've only lived in a country where they can't get a passport. The point is, the whole system is messed up. And the most ridiculous thing is people of certain nationalities not being allowed in different countries without visas etc. everyone should have the same nationality and the same passport. We'd all be the same then. :) No, I totally disagree with you. I think people should have passports based on where they originate from (i.e. where their parents are from originally) it's ridiculous for someone born in India/Africa or where ever to come to the UK for a few years and then say they are British, it's a farce! Regardless of whether they contribute to the economy or not, that is irrelevant. It would be like me saying to everyone I'm Emirati now because I have been in Dubai for 7 years and contributed to the economy! i have lived in abu dhabi for 13 years and when i sometimes have conversations with emiratis they always say you lived here so long you are nearly local. my second son was born here, and so he says he has a bit of english, a bit of scottish and a bit of abu dhabi in him as he has lived here all his life but he would need to have his children in the uk in order to bypass all the red tape that could occur.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 22:16
I was going to stay out of this thread...but here goes. I was born in Hong Kong and arrived with my family to the UK as a child, and been there since (until recently), worked and contributed years to the tax system, and never been on the dole. Have British passport, married to an English man. I see myself as a Brit, and declare myself as such, but whether others see me as British is another question. My appearance does not fit my accent.......it spooks some people out. I consider UK as home, not China (which HK IS part of now, but was NOT when I was born, and where my parents had been born but they then moved to HK and UK)...now I'm confused....bit more complicated than the heritage/parentage regardless of anything else line of thought. Having said all that, I also agree that people should not irresponsibly exploit the system (whether they were born there and already have the passport, or in the country already or not) for which the conscientious tax payers have to bear the burden. It's a shame because I believe the sense of social justice inherent in the UK is one of the great things about it and shouldn't be taken advantage of. OK. Got that off my chest. Off to bed now....
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 22:12
and hiding in lorries getting over from France! Wonder why they don't want to stay in France...sure there is a reason............. THE FRENCH !!! roflmao Also the french do not give out handouts willy nilly
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 22:08
and hiding in lorries getting over from France! Wonder why they don't want to stay in France...sure there is a reason.............
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EW GURU
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 22:07
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree. How so? You are joking? (arn't you) I'm sure they would soon change their mind on arrival at Gatwick/Heathrow airport and having to live in such places as Tower Hamlets or where ever they go. [b'>I think this obtaining a British passport=better life idea is a massive misconception[/b'>. I wish this idea would spread around the world so [i'>some[/i'> people would give up pushing in with absolutely nothing to offer and no intention of attempting to give anything back, using the NHS, sending benefits they've claimed out of the country and then whinging about how awful the UK is and how horrid we are to them... and giving a bad name to the genuine, hard working immigrants who come to the UK to EARN a better life for their families and are not a burden on society. We have enough layabouts on the take who are unfortunately entitled by heritage to a UK passport... can't do much about them!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 22:06
Try telling that to the hundreds of thousands trying to get the passports ha
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:57
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree. How so? You are joking? (arn't you) I'm sure they would soon change their mind on arrival at Gatwick/Heathrow airport and having to live in such places as Tower Hamlets or where ever they go. I think this obtaining a British passport=better life idea is a massive misconception.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:35
But what is the difference between someone who is Indian or African - going to the UK, living working and contributing to the economy and getting British citizenship/passport AND someone who is half Asian/half British whose parents have never lived in the UK and who themselves have never lived in the UK and that person getting British citizenship/passport? Do you get my point now? And if if (b) should not be entitled to a British passport, which passport should they get? They've never lived in the other country either. They've only lived in a country where they can't get a passport. The point is, the whole system is messed up. And the most ridiculous thing is people of certain nationalities not being allowed in different countries without visas etc. everyone should have the same nationality and the same passport. We'd all be the same then. :) No, I totally disagree with you. I think people should have passports based on where they originate from (i.e. where their parents are from originally) it's ridiculous for someone born in India/Africa or where ever to come to the UK for a few years and then say they are British, it's a farce! Regardless of whether they contribute to the economy or not, that is irrelevant. It would be like me saying to everyone I'm Emirati now because I have been in Dubai for 7 years and contributed to the economy! I agree with you jwal. I (British) worked in Dubai for 7.5 yrs, my husband (British even though born abroad) worked in Dubai for 13 yrs, that does not ever make us Emirati! My daughter was born in the UAE, what passport should she have? British of course! It doesn't, and shouldn't, matter where she physically arrived into the world, it is her heritage that gives her her nationality, not place of birth... certain people only want a British passport because of the benefits they get out of it, not for the pride of being able to say they are 'British' which is the real shame. I think people should be proud of where they come from, not change nationality for benefits, that, in my humble opinion is selling yourself (and your country) out - for money. Precisely !
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EW GURU
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:31
But what is the difference between someone who is Indian or African - going to the UK, living working and contributing to the economy and getting British citizenship/passport AND someone who is half Asian/half British whose parents have never lived in the UK and who themselves have never lived in the UK and that person getting British citizenship/passport? Do you get my point now? And if if (b) should not be entitled to a British passport, which passport should they get? They've never lived in the other country either. They've only lived in a country where they can't get a passport. The point is, the whole system is messed up. And the most ridiculous thing is people of certain nationalities not being allowed in different countries without visas etc. everyone should have the same nationality and the same passport. We'd all be the same then. :) No, I totally disagree with you. I think people should have passports based on where they originate from (i.e. where their parents are from originally) it's ridiculous for someone born in India/Africa or where ever to come to the UK for a few years and then say they are British, it's a farce! Regardless of whether they contribute to the economy or not, that is irrelevant. It would be like me saying to everyone I'm Emirati now because I have been in Dubai for 7 years and contributed to the economy! I agree with you jwal. I (British) worked in Dubai for 7.5 yrs, my husband (British even though born abroad) worked in Dubai for 13 yrs, that does not ever make us Emirati! My daughter was born in the UAE, what passport should she have? British of course! It doesn't, and shouldn't, matter where she physically arrived into the world, it is her heritage that gives her her nationality, not place of birth... certain people only want a British passport because of the benefits they get out of it, not for the pride of being able to say they are 'British' which is the real shame. I think people should be proud of where they come from, not change nationality for benefits, that, in my humble opinion is selling yourself (and your country) out - for money.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:26
mmmmmmm silence is golden .......
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:25
gleekfamily, is your DH not Cypriot?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:22
PLus as I said before, a passport is one thing and a right of abode is something else.........
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:22
So Gleek may I ask what passport holder you are ?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:21
Shame on me? I owe nothing to the UK government (I'm neither a passport holder nor am I a resident) and I take nothing. My children, however, are entitled to a UK passport by birth (and all that comes with it). That I should feel bad for opting to allow my children dual citizenship is ridiculous. Should I feel bad for safeguarding my family's interests? What if they want to live in the UK as adults, do they have not just as much right as any child born to a UK expat? Again, look at your own government. We are not breaking the rules and will not feel bad for doing so. I think it is the way that you wrote it that provoked the responses..you didn't actually say their father is British ( did you?) and it was a bit of a middle finger stick up to people! SO easy to have got a different reaction....... "Well, I'll keep that in mind then when my children all get their British/EU passports even though they weren't born in the UK nor do we plan on living there. It's the rules that the government sets up, it's not personal. "
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 21:10
But what is the difference between someone who is Indian or African - going to the UK, living working and contributing to the economy and getting British citizenship/passport AND someone who is half Asian/half British whose parents have never lived in the UK and who themselves have never lived in the UK and that person getting British citizenship/passport? Do you get my point now? And if if (b) should not be entitled to a British passport, which passport should they get? They've never lived in the other country either. They've only lived in a country where they can't get a passport. The point is, the whole system is messed up. And the most ridiculous thing is people of certain nationalities not being allowed in different countries without visas etc. everyone should have the same nationality and the same passport. We'd all be the same then. :) No, I totally disagree with you. I think people should have passports based on where they originate from (i.e. where their parents are from originally) it's ridiculous for someone born in India/Africa or where ever to come to the UK for a few years and then say they are British, it's a farce! Regardless of whether they contribute to the economy or not, that is irrelevant. It would be like me saying to everyone I'm Emirati now because I have been in Dubai for 7 years and contributed to the economy!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 20:58
Shame on me? I owe nothing to the UK government (I'm neither a passport holder nor am I a resident) and I take nothing. My children, however, are entitled to a UK passport by birth (and all that comes with it). That I should feel bad for opting to allow my children dual citizenship is ridiculous. Should I feel bad for safeguarding my family's interests? What if they want to live in the UK as adults, do they have not just as much right as any child born to a UK expat? Again, look at your own government. We are not breaking the rules and will not feel bad for doing so.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 20:20
Question for the aussies here HOW if you are not born in Oz do you get a aussie passport then ?? Same question to the kiwis ????
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 20:16
.......@gleekfamily ..... And it's people who think that who put my hard working elderly British born parents way down the NHS waiting list .... Shame on you! SECONDED !Q!!!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 19:59
The someone who is Indian or African has to have some connection to the UK to get the British passport - it may eg have been through an agreement made when a former colony gained independence. This is only one scenario. It's not usually the case that anyone outwith the EU can go into the UK, get a job and get a British passport! ( Obviously there are some exceptions). This was/is a country showing some responsibility to a former colony. The second thing you refer to is governed by the laws of British by descent and is a totally different scenario. So in the first case, you have a country showing some responsibility to people previously governed ( a good thing) - in the second, you have people who have chosen to stay away from their home country by choice. I think that in the case that you mention ie a stateless person then they look at a situation like that. Every situation is so individual and is considered on a case by case merit ( unless you are the girlfriend of an MP! ) ;)
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 19:10
I was thinking about this subject just last night! My kids were born here and have spent more time here than they have in UK (we are Brits), but my kids will never be Emiratis or Emirati Britains. But if an african or indian comes to the UK to live and have their kids all of a sudden they are British Africans/ British Asians...how does that work? How can so many people be entitled to British passports and all of a sudden it makes them British? Just don't understand at all? Say your LO grows up here and never leaves, and has a British Passport. He meets a Chinese girl in Dubai with a Chinese passport. They have a baby here. Which passport will they choose to give the baby? Is it right to give UK passport? Or a Chinese passport? The parents have not lived in either country. What to do?! Chinese?? lol! Well if that were the case the kid would have a dual british passport and a chinese one surely? I don't see how this is relevant to my point? Because, say your child's LO goes to UK and gets a British passport, your LO's LO would be classed as the "British Asian" you describe. They too will have never lived in the UK and their parents haven't either. Do you get my point now? How does the government differentiate between who is really entitled to it and who is not? Is someone who lives and works in the UK more entitled to the passport than someone who has never lived in the UK, whose parents have never lived in the UK? It's a minefield! It's not a minefield - there are very clear rules/guidelines about it BUT each situation can be slightly different.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 19:04
I was thinking about this subject just last night! My kids were born here and have spent more time here than they have in UK (we are Brits), but my kids will never be Emiratis or Emirati Britains. But if an african or indian comes to the UK to live and have their kids all of a sudden they are British Africans/ British Asians...how does that work? How can so many people be entitled to British passports and all of a sudden it makes them British? Just don't understand at all? Say your LO grows up here and never leaves, and has a British Passport. He meets a Chinese girl in Dubai with a Chinese passport. They have a baby here. Which passport will they choose to give the baby? Is it right to give UK passport? Or a Chinese passport? The parents have not lived in either country. What to do?! Chinese?? lol! Well if that were the case the kid would have a dual british passport and a chinese one surely? I don't see how this is relevant to my point? Because, say your child's LO goes to UK and gets a British passport, your LO's LO would be classed as the "British Asian" you describe. They too will have never lived in the UK and their parents haven't either. Do you get my point now? How does the government differentiate between who is really entitled to it and who is not? Is someone who lives and works in the UK more entitled to the passport than someone who has never lived in the UK, whose parents have never lived in the UK? It's a minefield! No, that's not what I meant at all! I was talking about heritage, for example the child you talk about would actually be half brit half chinese. What I said was if an Indian or African (native) moved to the UK to live and breed they would be entitled (after a few years) to become British and have a British passport, but then Spongemonkey explained that it is due to historic reasons etc etc...which I had forgotton about.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:55
Sorry but this really makes me " laugh " why should someone have a british passport if they are not " british " per se Why "travel" to ensure a british passport if neither parents are of british origin ??? WTF is going on ???? I thought no-one wanted to be associated with "chav " SCrounging " etc etc british people funny that !!! To get a good remuneration package 8-)
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:55
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree. How so? You are joking? (arn't you)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:54
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree. Yes it is the most sort after passport in the world. After a Canadian one ha ha.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:52
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree. How so?
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:52
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree. Yes it is the most sort after passport in the world.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:51
Somebody once said; 'Having a British passport is like winning first prize in the lottery of life'. I agree.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:49
I was thinking about this subject just last night! My kids were born here and have spent more time here than they have in UK (we are Brits), but my kids will never be Emiratis or Emirati Britains. But if an african or indian comes to the UK to live and have their kids all of a sudden they are British Africans/ British Asians...how does that work? How can so many people be entitled to British passports and all of a sudden it makes them British? Just don't understand at all? There are various historical reasons for certain nationalities getting British passports due to the Commonwealth/Empire but these have fixed deadlines. Also not all British passports carry a "right of abode"in the UK.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 05 January 2011 - 18:44
I was thinking about this subject just last night! My kids were born here and have spent more time here than they have in UK (we are Brits), but my kids will never be Emiratis or Emirati Britains. But if an african or indian comes to the UK to live and have their kids all of a sudden they are British Africans/ British Asians...how does that work? How can so many people be entitled to British passports and all of a sudden it makes them British? Just don't understand at all? Say your LO grows up here and never leaves, and has a British Passport. He meets a Chinese girl in Dubai with a Chinese passport. They have a baby here. Which passport will they choose to give the baby? Is it right to give UK passport? Or a Chinese passport? The parents have not lived in either country. What to do?! Chinese?? lol! Well if that were the case the kid would have a dual british passport and a chinese one surely? I don't see how this is relevant to my point?
 
 

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