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Sick leave certificate attested????

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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 11:39

dear ladies :)

my employees are so often absent ( normally the day before or after week end or holidays :\: ) and they provide me a medical attestation from a doctor, a dentist, a pharmacist..., sometime even after few days!
These recurrent absences are -obviously - creating disservice as all of sudden I don't have secretary,accountant,receptionist, ....and it's difficult to manage as normal working day.
Friend of mine told me that sick leave certificate must be issued by public healthcare facility or - if issued by private healthcare facility - must be attested otherwise I can refuse to pay.
I'm sure that if I can avoid the payment of these day...this habit will be reduced.;)
Do you know something aout this???
My friend gave me also this link to check...but I'd like to know your opinion :)
TIA

http://www.dha.gov.ae/En/sectorsdirectorates/directorates/healthregulati...

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 14:30
I mean asking the DHA - or other authorised entity- to send a doctor to the house to check the status of the ill staff... That sounds extreme! If you have an employee that makes you feel you should go take such extreme actions, then maybe you need to sit down with them for a serious talk/give them a written warning. I would be so embarassed to have a doctor show up at my door who I don't know and therefore don't trust, so they can do a check up and see if I'm lying. When someone has been on sick leave for more than 60 days in Switzerland it is normal practice for the insurance to send a doctor to check that the person is actually"sick".
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 14:30
There are way too many unemployed, qualified people who are ready to work the necessary hours for you to be wasting your time on one employee who obviously does not value his job.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 14:26
I might be wrong but every time I've been to a government clinic it's been pretty busy. I'd be surprised if they had the time to send doctors on house calls for errant employees. In an emergency you can get an ambulance to your home but never heard of it for government doctors. Some private clinics offer house calls but they aren't cheap.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 14:22
but....do you think our HR didn't sit down, or didn't give verbal & written warning ? What was the warning? Have you acted on it?
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 14:20
but....do you think our HR didn't sit down, or didn't give verbal & written warning ?
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 13:57
I mean asking the DHA - or other authorised entity- to send a doctor to the house to check the status of the ill staff... That sounds extreme! If you have an employee that makes you feel you should go take such extreme actions, then maybe you need to sit down with them for a serious talk/give them a written warning. I would be so embarassed to have a doctor show up at my door who I don't know and therefore don't trust, so they can do a check up and see if I'm lying.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 04 November 2012 - 13:42
I mean asking the DHA - or other authorised entity- to send a doctor to the house to check the status of the ill staff...
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 17:14
dear ladies thanks for all your suggestions :) I'm still trying to get a proper answer by DHA about the attestation of sick leave certificates.. DO you know if I can ask to send medical inspection in my staff's house on the same day of absence?? If so, where I should ask for??? TIA TIA TIA Do you mean if the person is ill someone will go round and check if they are legitimately ill? :-)
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 01 November 2012 - 15:20
dear ladies thanks for all your suggestions :) I'm still trying to get a proper answer by DHA about the attestation of sick leave certificates.. DO you know if I can ask to send medical inspection in my staff's house on the same day of absence?? If so, where I should ask for??? TIA TIA TIA
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 15:16
I don't ask for attested certificates too, but monitor the sick days and once they reach 15 as per the labour law start cutting the salary. Also as mrsg I do not accept anything but Clinic or Hospital certificate. There is a guy on my team who repeatedly calls in sick - I'm talking once a week. His excuses are pathetic - he didn't sleep well, he's not up to coming in, he has a cold. I had a stinking cold and dragged myself in all of last week, I never once took a day off for horrific morning sickness and I came in after surgery. I think some people take the absolute p*ss so I am keen to know about this 15 day limit when they start cutting salary. It has been noticed by our boss as well. It's not fair as we have a team target and this guy works part time hours! Not to mention the fact he comes in late every single day - we have a finger logging in system and the earliest he ever comes in is 9:45 - 10:30am when he lives 5 mins away, always leaves early too. Aaaargh this is my personal bugbear! I understand completely :) This is from the Labour law: Article 83 1. A worker shall not be entitled to any paid sick leave during the probationary period. 2. A worker who contracts illness after completing three months, following the probationary period, in the continuous service of an employer shall be entitled to a sick leave not exceeding 90 days, successive or otherwise, in respect of each year of service, to be calculated as follows. • The first 15 days: with full pay. • The next 30 days: with half pay. • Any subsequent periods: without pay. Article 84 No wage shall be payable for sick leave if the illness is the direct result of the worker's misconduct (such as consumption of alcohol or narcotic drugs). UAE Labour Law 19 Article 85 An employer may terminate the services of a worker who fails to report back to work after exhausting all sick leaves provided for in Articles 82, 83 and 84 hereof. In this case the worker shall be entitled to severance pay as stipulated in this Law. Hope this helps. Also for every day that the employee has no proper reason to be absent you should deduct his salary - slept late is one of these reasons, this is not illness and in this case you should ask for attested certificate just make a point. I've fired one person for this. Issued 3 warning letters stating that if this behaviour is not corrected a termination of contract will follow and since it did not change anything I had to let go of this person. Now I am very happy with the replacement :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 14:37
You get 90 days 'official' sick leave, and that is as stated below. I don't count weekends as sick leave UNLESS an employee is often sick over a weekend, whereby I warn them that I will include weekends as if they are too ill to work Thursday, then they are too ill to work Friday or saturday if called in as well! It is also the employers right to send an employee to a doctor to have him checked out if the employee is often ill. article 82 of the labour law actually says that an employer must take necessary measures to have an employee medically checked to ascertain illness if said employee is off sick. I actually did this to one of my employees, who was constantly taking time off for headaches. I paid the doctors fees, but could then prove that he was taking liberties! He was then warned that any further days off would result in him having to get a doctors certificate from my nominated clinic , or his salary would be cut. Funnily enough, he wasn't ill again - and he really wasn't ill all the other times either!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 14:25
According to this interpretation of the labour law you get full pay for the first 15 days of sick leave and then half pay for the next 30 days before then going to no pay for any further absence. Not sure whether this is working or calendar days. http://www.visaprocess.ae/UAELabourLaw.pdf Dangerous Blonde that would seriously annoy me too, I can't bear people who don't pull their weight. We all have nights where we don't sleep well but we just have to drag ourselves in with a smile on our face and keeping topping up with coffee! My husband has people working for him who call in sick with body pains! Can't be any more specific! And some of his colleagues take 'travel days' where they basically book one less day than they should for their annual leave and because they are actually travelling as opposed to being on holiday they for some reason don't think they should take it as leave - and his company doesn't seem to do anything about it. I am lucky that I don't get sick so I have never actually taken a day off sick - I have dragged myself in with horrible hangovers, stinking colds and after sleepless nights, however - so it does annoy me when people are so quick to take time off.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 14:03
Attested certificates cost them AED 70 (or thereabouts) each time. My DH has to have one even if he is sick for one day as people were taking advantage in his company. In my office, I insist on them if the sick days are 3 or more and if you are sick on a Thursday or Sunday the weekend is counted as sick days. Harsh but people will take advantage otherwise. They also have to call me within an hour of their start time. I certainly wouldn't accept a certificate from a pharmacy. When I worked in the UK (and I know we aren't in the UK), HR used to keep track of our Friday/Monday sick days and if they were over a certain number we would be marked down on our annual appraisal which directly affected our % pay rise. If you were genuinely ill (with certificates) it was not counted against you. Isnt the labor law that you have to provide one if you are off sick for 2 consecutive work days?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 13:22
Attested certificates cost them AED 70 (or thereabouts) each time. My DH has to have one even if he is sick for one day as people were taking advantage in his company. In my office, I insist on them if the sick days are 3 or more and if you are sick on a Thursday or Sunday the weekend is counted as sick days. Harsh but people will take advantage otherwise. They also have to call me within an hour of their start time. I certainly wouldn't accept a certificate from a pharmacy. When I worked in the UK (and I know we aren't in the UK), HR used to keep track of our Friday/Monday sick days and if they were over a certain number we would be marked down on our annual appraisal which directly affected our % pay rise. If you were genuinely ill (with certificates) it was not counted against you.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 13:11
I don't ask for attested certificates too, but monitor the sick days and once they reach 15 as per the labour law start cutting the salary. Also as mrsg I do not accept anything but Clinic or Hospital certificate.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 12:59
I don't ask for attested certificates, but I do insist that any sick leave certificate has to be signed by an actual registered doctor, and be stamped by the clinic visited. I don't mind if the doctors are government or private, but I certainly wouldn't accept anything issued by a dentist or pharmacist! I also insist that, unless they cannot speak, they personally call on the first day of any illness, and report that they are ill. I don't accept calls from any family member, which may seem harsh, but nowadays mobile phones mean that the genuinely ill don't have to get out of bed to call!
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 12:03
I've never heard of medical certificates being provided by pharmacists? You need to tighten your company policy. That said, I think you should have a talk with "repeat offenders", rather than "punish" everyone. It's always a few that spoil it for the whole bunch. Seems unfair to require those who are honest about being sick to make them jump through hoops to get certificates attested for what could be just a minor illness.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 30 October 2012 - 11:57
Do you have a company-only approved medical facility? Also, how many sick leave days do they have? When I was flying, I could only go to the company doctor. If I was too sick to go to the doctor, I had to go to the hospital to get a sick note to which I had to immediately fax it over to the doctor to get it attested. We did have frequent sick staff, to which they had to meet with , i can't remember which department, as company is 'concerned' with their health.
 
 

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