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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 07:58

Will get soap for brokenheart dirty fingers.

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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 07:56

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! lolol - yes but this is EW - you can't ask a simple question without it getting analysed and debated to within an inch of its life !! Sure you could just leave out "Indian" it could be "an" accent....right? Sue62 FFS nice......You need to have your hands washed out with soap. umm, sorry frances, but it wasnt sue62 ffs ing, but broken heart. who, whr? I hate FFS no need for it sorry Sue62 hug hug XXXXXXXXX

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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 07:52

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! lolol - yes but this is EW - you can't ask a simple question without it getting analysed and debated to within an inch of its life !! Sure you could just leave out "Indian" it could be "an" accent....right? Sue62 FFS nice......You need to have your hands washed out with soap. umm, sorry frances, but it wasnt sue62 ffs ing, but broken heart.

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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 07:50

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! lolol - yes but this is EW - you can't ask a simple question without it getting analysed and debated to within an inch of its life !! Sure you could just leave out "Indian" it could be "an" accent....right? Sue62 FFS nice......You need to have your hands washed out with soap.

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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 07:48

Also think that even with people from non English speaking countries who think that they speak English fluently, have some really interesting use of words.... eg, My head is paining me........ I would be more concerned with the incorrect use of words than the accent.

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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 07:24

zedzee, I am extremely sorry if I offended you. As my said in my previous post, I believe Indians are very intelligent and lovely people. I have absolutely nothing against Indian nationality. I am sorry, I should have said heavy accented in my post(as you suggested). I wrote it quickly and didn't think it. Say, I went to India and I wanted to teach there, yet I had a very English Hindi accent(and I am teaching hindi). Do you think the school will employ me? Or will the parents be happy with that? Will you be happy wihth your child learning english accented hindi? I see this case being the same. I find it difficult to understand a very heavy accented English, so does my daughter (as she never heard it before) English is my first language but I picked up another language at childhood as an expat. I want my DD to learn and retain that language (none of the schools here teach it). DH is out working all day, so I can't rely on him to be the English teacher. I will just do it myself now and divide the day in half (half English, half the 2nd language) or repeat myself in 2 languages. Anyway, how does one define native? I don't know. <em>edited by tahm563 on 31/01/2011</em>

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Latest post on 31 January 2011 - 00:00

OP has every right to question the present situation irrelevant of which level of class her kid is in. Nobody is questioning the teacher's credentials nor the ability to teach, what is in question however, is the accent. IMHO, that is just as important. Example & this is a fact (not just me nit picking) take radio station 103.8-one of the news readers happens to be Indian (or sounds Indian) and hasn't got a flipping clue how to pronounce some words nor some surnames & she speaks too fast etc., seriously, my husband and I commented at the same time, we hadn't a clue what she had just read!! Talk about hashing it, glory be. The radio station broadcasts in English so they ought to get somebody to read & pronounce words correctly. Whoever is responsible for having her read the news is at fault, I'd imagine she feels she's doing a grand job. IMHO, whoever employs foreign teachers ought to take this issue on board because some kids will experience difficulty following what is being taught due to the teacher's accent. @ Zedzee.....bottom line is for example...me moving to Mumbai, [u'>[i'>[b'>thinking [/b'>[/i'>[/u'>I've got a good command of Hindi and reading the news in Hindi....you get the picture. depends, doesn't it - I have plenty of Indian colleagues whose accents I hardly notice, but one or two who frankly I have difficulty understanding. I'm not sure if it is regional differences or whether it depends on whether the individual is a native English speaker or not (could well be that, but not really the sort of thing you could ask). Wouldn't have an issue with a teacher having the first kind of accent, but wouldn't be keen on young kids being taught by teachers with the second sort of accent, any more than I would be thrilled with a heavily-accented French or German teacher for that age range (in an English medium school, obviously).

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:58

OP has every right to question the present situation irrelevant of which level of class her kid is in. Nobody is questioning the teacher's credentials nor the ability to teach, what is in question however, is the accent. IMHO, that is just as important. Example & this is a fact (not just me nit picking) take radio station 103.8-one of the news readers happens to be Indian (or sounds Indian) and hasn't got a flipping clue how to pronounce some words nor some surnames & she speaks too fast etc., seriously, my husband and I commented at the same time, we hadn't a clue what she had just read!! Talk about hashing it, glory be. The radio station broadcasts in English so they ought to get somebody to read & pronounce words correctly. Whoever is responsible for having her read the news is at fault, I'd imagine she feels she's doing a grand job. IMHO, whoever employs foreign teachers ought to take this issue on board because some kids will experience difficulty following what is being taught due to the teacher's accent. @ Zedzee.....bottom line is for example...me moving to Mumbai, [u'>[i'>[b'>thinking [/b'>[/i'>[/u'>I've got a good command of Hindi and reading the news in Hindi....you get the picture. Lol.....just read this like a poem. <em>edited by desertprincess on 31/01/2011</em>

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:54

OP has every right to question the present situation irrelevant of which level of class her kid is in. Nobody is questioning the teacher's credentials nor the ability to teach, what is in question however, is the accent. IMHO, that is just as important. Example & this is a fact (not just me nit picking) take radio station 103.8-one of the news readers happens to be Indian (or sounds Indian) and hasn't got a flipping clue how to pronounce some words nor some surnames & she speaks too fast etc., seriously, my husband and I commented at the same time, we hadn't a clue what she had just read!! Talk about hashing it, glory be. The radio station broadcasts in English so they ought to get somebody to read & pronounce words correctly. Whoever is responsible for having her read the news is at fault, I'd imagine she feels she's doing a grand job. IMHO, whoever employs foreign teachers ought to take this issue on board because some kids will experience difficulty following what is being taught due to the teacher's accent. @ Zedzee.....bottom line is for example...me moving to Mumbai, [u'>[i'>[b'>thinking [/b'>[/i'>[/u'>I've got a good command of Hindi and reading the news in Hindi....you get the picture.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:47

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! But then she really must choose to speak English to her DD at home to correct the mistakes in pronunciation that seem to give the child an Indian accent, can't blame the teacher if she is the main example of English... Parents have the ultimate responsibilty in how the child pronounces her words. If they correct her when she sounds 'Indian' then she will learn to say it how they want her to sound, but by choosing to not speak English at home then they have to accept that she will speak like whoever is speaking English to her. Just as she would have an Australian accent if her teacher was Australian... [b'>You can't really complain if you aren't willing to do anything to help.[/b'> course you can - you can complain about anything here - your child is learning english with an accent because the person teaching her isn't english and the parent who COULD be teaching her won't... obviously the school's fault..... LOL Sue, I see what you mean!! :)

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:28

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! But then she really must choose to speak English to her DD at home to correct the mistakes in pronunciation that seem to give the child an Indian accent, can't blame the teacher if she is the main example of English... Parents have the ultimate responsibilty in how the child pronounces her words. If they correct her when she sounds 'Indian' then she will learn to say it how they want her to sound, but by choosing to not speak English at home then they have to accept that she will speak like whoever is speaking English to her. Just as she would have an Australian accent if her teacher was Australian... [b'>You can't really complain if you aren't willing to do anything to help.[/b'> course you can - you can complain about anything here - your child is learning english with an accent because the person teaching her isn't english and the parent who COULD be teaching her won't... obviously the school's fault.....

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:15

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! But OP is choosing not to speak English with her child and leaving it to the school to teach English - if she wants her child to speak her own accent then she needs to model this herself at home as well as the other language she wants her child to learn - you cannot expect a school to be able to meet very parents' home accents- it's absurd!!! Whatever next - demanding a teacher with Welsh, irish, New York or Sydney accent to fit in with the parents place of origin??

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:10

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! But then she really must choose to speak English to her DD at home to correct the mistakes in pronunciation that seem to give the child an Indian accent, can't blame the teacher if she is the main example of English... Parents have the ultimate responsibilty in how the child pronounces her words. If they correct her when she sounds 'Indian' then she will learn to say it how they want her to sound, but by choosing to not speak English at home then they have to accept that she will speak like whoever is speaking English to her. Just as she would have an Australian accent if her teacher was Australian... You can't really complain if you aren't willing to do anything to help.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:09

SM those are the Indian nationals that pick up an American accent on their way to the US ...for a 3 week visit...LOL... LOL....you bet they are in plenty.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:03

Smonkey ?? LOL

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 23:02

You are right Smonkey. I have got no brood yet, but I would be throwing the same hissy it, if my child came home with an american accent! Sorry if that offends anyone! <em>edited by brokenheart on 30/01/2011</em>

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:57

Interesting discussion, that accents make the person. I had seen Cheryl Cole & Colleen Rooney in magazines for a long time, finally hearing them speak on television really surprised me and for some reason IMO, their voices don't fit their image and my perception of both has changed! I think you are really referring to their dialects which is a different thing from what this thread is talking about ( related, I grant but not the same) . The accent is something very different . If you were French, would you want your child coming home with English accented French ? Probably not ... Why is there always so much fuss when certain nationalities are mentioned ( but not others) ? Perhaps because some nationalities are more often judged wrongly on the basis of appearance, or discrimated against because of their accents. In some parts of the world that would be called racist. The OP felt it was ok if her child picked up a British accent but not an Indian accent. Seriously, do you not have a problem with that. And before you say anything more, know that I am an Indian by birth but I hold US citizenship and have lived out of India for many years. I am just speaking in defense of the multitude of Indians who are highly educated and qualified yet are often judged on other things. I think OP is Australian? She says she doesn't want her child to have an Indian accent? Is that right? Think so... I get what you're saying but would she worry as much if the accent was say American or something more what she considers superior. That's my issue with this thread. You are right - she probably wouldn't . As I said, it is an attitude that is even held by many Indian nationals themselves - right?

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:55

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd! lolol - yes but this is EW - you can't ask a simple question without it getting analysed and debated to within an inch of its life !!

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:52

Oh FFS!! It's her choice she does not want her child to speak English with an Indian accent!! Is it ok to want to learn Italian with an Italan accent? Would it have been racist if the mother did not want her child to learn Italian with a French accent? Gawwwwwwd!

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:49

The accent is something very different . If you were French, would you want your child coming home with English accented French ? Probably not ... Why is there always so much fuss when certain nationalities are mentioned ( but not others) ? It's [i'>not[/i'> the same thing, if the teacher in question is a native speaker of English. The equivalent would be whether a French French-speaker was bothered by her child acquiring a Canadian-French accent at school. Which teacher are you referring to here in your first sentence? The one mentioned by the OP? You have lost me now..

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:47

If your child comes home and utters an expletive for example, you would explain why it's not acceptable...likewise if your child makes a pronounciation you don't like you would correct them..wouldn't you ?? so where is the problem ?

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:46

Interesting discussion, that accents make the person. I had seen Cheryl Cole & Colleen Rooney in magazines for a long time, finally hearing them speak on television really surprised me and for some reason IMO, their voices don't fit their image and my perception of both has changed! I think you are really referring to their dialects which is a different thing from what this thread is talking about ( related, I grant but not the same) . The accent is something very different . If you were French, would you want your child coming home with English accented French ? Probably not ... Why is there always so much fuss when certain nationalities are mentioned ( but not others) ? Perhaps because some nationalities are more often judged wrongly on the basis of appearance, or discrimated against because of their accents. In some parts of the world that would be called racist. The OP felt it was ok if her child picked up a British accent but not an Indian accent. Seriously, do you not have a problem with that. And before you say anything more, know that I am an Indian by birth but I hold US citizenship and have lived out of India for many years. I am just speaking in defense of the multitude of Indians who are highly educated and qualified yet are often judged on other things. I think OP is Australian? She says she doesn't want her child to have an Indian accent? Is that right? Think so... Yes it could be deemed racist as it could be deemed racist if a French person did not want their child to have an English accented French language ( as I said before).

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:45

The accent is something very different . If you were French, would you want your child coming home with English accented French ? Probably not ... Why is there always so much fuss when certain nationalities are mentioned ( but not others) ? It's [i'>not[/i'> the same thing, if the teacher in question is a native speaker of English. The equivalent would be whether a French French-speaker was bothered by her child acquiring a Canadian-French accent at school.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:44

sorry but i think judging people by the way they speak is just shallow... but in Dubai its just being normal I guess ;)

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:42

sorry but i think judging people by the way they speak is just shallow...

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:42

I think you are really referring to their dialects which is a different thing from what this thread is talking about ( related, I grant but not the same) . The accent is something very different . If you were French, would you want your child coming home with English accented French ? Probably not ... Why is there always so much fuss when certain nationalities are mentioned ( but not others) ? Its just the superiority that some races 'think' they have over other and that's when the comparison doesn't go down too well. A language, in an ideal world, is a tool for communication, but in this real world is all about people's complex, impish minds. If anything, I usually find that it is the very same people who make all the fuss who don't want their child to have either their accent or that of their compatriots!

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:41

I think you are really referring to their dialects which is a different thing from what this thread is talking about ( related, I grant but not the same) . The accent is something very different . If you were French, would you want your child coming home with English accented French ? Probably not ... Why is there always so much fuss when certain nationalities are mentioned ( but not others) ? Its just the superiority that some races 'think' they have over other and that's when the comparison doesn't go down too well. A language, in an ideal world, is a tool for communication, but in this real world is all about people's complex, impish minds.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:32

Interesting discussion, that accents make the person. I had seen Cheryl Cole & Colleen Rooney in magazines for a long time, finally hearing them speak on television really surprised me and for some reason IMO, their voices don't fit their image and my perception of both has changed! I think you are really referring to their dialects which is a different thing from what this thread is talking about ( related, I grant but not the same) . The accent is something very different . If you were French, would you want your child coming home with English accented French ? Probably not ... Why is there always so much fuss when certain nationalities are mentioned ( but not others) ?

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:23

haven't read the whole thread but if the school teaches british curriculum, it's unacceptable. All job adds for teachers I have seen they require a native english speaker. And by that you mean what? I am an Indian by birth but I consider myself a native English speaker. All my education has been in English. I speak fluent English, read and write fluent English. I even think in English. And I have an Indian accent. How does it matter? Absolutely to this. There must be enormous numbers of Indian native speakers of English. Another thought struck me reading the later parts of the thread - is the OP a native English speaker herself? (I know she says her husband is British, implying she isn't, and the fact they are trying to speak a different language with their child at home suggests the OP might be a native speaker of another language?) If she isn't, might part of her issue with not having understood when the Indian teacher told her they were doing the letter 'o' be the OP's [i'>own[/i'> accented English?

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:21

But it's not just the teachers, it's the other pupils they make friends with and they probably have more of an influence... You can't control who they choose to play with...

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