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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 22:19

Just a thought, but wouldn't spending time with her parents and hearing the way speak off-set what she might pick up at school? The OP said she is trying to avoid speaking English at home as they are trying to teach her a different language... Then what can you do? If the one place where the childs accent would be reinforced is taken away, then I don't really think you can complain. Children brought up here have mish-mash accents anyway. The OP states that her DH is from the UK, but she never states where she is from or what language they are trying to teach their daughter. How about the husbands always talks to her in English and the mosther in whatever language it is she's trying to teach. I know plenty of mixed nationality parents who do this. edited by Chocs01 on 30/01/2011 I would agree with this post - if parents want their child to grow up speaking with their own home country's accent then they cannot abdicate the entireresponsibility for their child's accent to the schoolthey need to spend considerable time speaking to their child and reinforcing the accent at home If they want the child to be bilingual in anotherlanguage as well then there are well known methods to do this - such as *one parent:one language* or the alternate day methods

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 21:25

Just a thought, but wouldn't spending time with her parents and hearing the way speak off-set what she might pick up at school? The OP said she is trying to avoid speaking English at home as they are trying to teach her a different language... Then what can you do? If the one place where the childs accent would be reinforced is taken away, then I don't really think you can complain. Children brought up here have mish-mash accents anyway. The OP states that her DH is from the UK, but she never states where she is from or what language they are trying to teach their daughter. How about the husbands always talks to her in English and the mosther in whatever language it is she's trying to teach. I know plenty of mixed nationality parents who do this. <em>edited by Chocs01 on 30/01/2011</em>

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 21:15

Just a thought, but wouldn't spending time with her parents and hearing the way speak off-set what she might pick up at school? The OP said she is trying to avoid speaking English at home as they are trying to teach her a different language...

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:50

There was a study done by Judith Harris on the accents of children of immigrants. Statistically speaking the children overwhelmingly had the accent of their peer group.... So I don't think you need to worry about the teacher, just your childrens friends..... There have been other studies too, all finding that children have the accent of their peer group. <em>edited by Mrs Laughan on 30/01/2011</em>

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:35

To the OP, even if you think you manage to teach your DD to have 'no' accent, I can almost guarantee that if you move to the UK, she will seem to have an accent to someone... and as someone else said, most schools have many nationalities in them now, so no-one will comment on her accent. Besides, even if you do move her away from this teacher, her best friend might turn out to be an Indian and she may pick up [i'>their[/i'> accent... So do you then decide she can't be friends with them..? The only way to ensure she doesn't pick up on the teachers accent is to speak to her in English in her own home so that she picks up your accent instead but as you have said you don't want to do that then what can you expect? She will pick up whatever accent she hears English in whether it be Indian, French or Australian. By the way, what accent do you have? I was a school teacher, I was shocked how nasty kids can be to new children who come into school with a heavy accent. I don't think having a best friend and teacher is the same because: 1. Children look up to their and try to imitate the teacher, particularly they try to imitate the way the teacher speaks (especially at her age). With best friends, you don't always try to imitate them. 2. She will see the teacher everyday, spend 5-6 hours with the teacher whereas she will probably see the best friend few times a week at max. Lastly, if it was a high school teacher, I would never worry because by high school people take on an accent. I am worried because she will learn to read soon. Some sounds like 'r', 't' 'a' can be very different in an indian accent. I have an expat accent :-), or a mish mash of australian and british but DH has a very british accent. edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011 edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011 so which school is this anyway? a clue? Our very own Indian school ??? LOL

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:31

Just a thought, but wouldn't spending time with her parents and hearing the way speak off-set what she might pick up at school?

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:30

To the OP, even if you think you manage to teach your DD to have 'no' accent, I can almost guarantee that if you move to the UK, she will seem to have an accent to someone... and as someone else said, most schools have many nationalities in them now, so no-one will comment on her accent. Besides, even if you do move her away from this teacher, her best friend might turn out to be an Indian and she may pick up [i'>their[/i'> accent... So do you then decide she can't be friends with them..? The only way to ensure she doesn't pick up on the teachers accent is to speak to her in English in her own home so that she picks up your accent instead but as you have said you don't want to do that then what can you expect? She will pick up whatever accent she hears English in whether it be Indian, French or Australian. By the way, what accent do you have? I was a school teacher, I was shocked how nasty kids can be to new children who come into school with a heavy accent. I don't think having a best friend and teacher is the same because: 1. Children look up to their and try to imitate the teacher, particularly they try to imitate the way the teacher speaks (especially at her age). With best friends, you don't always try to imitate them. 2. She will see the teacher everyday, spend 5-6 hours with the teacher whereas she will probably see the best friend few times a week at max. Lastly, if it was a high school teacher, I would never worry because by high school people take on an accent. I am worried because she will learn to read soon. Some sounds like 'r', 't' 'a' can be very different in an indian accent. I have an expat accent :-), or a mish mash of australian and british but DH has a very british accent. edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011 edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011 so which school is this anyway? a clue?

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:24

To the OP, even if you think you manage to teach your DD to have 'no' accent, I can almost guarantee that if you move to the UK, she will seem to have an accent to someone... and as someone else said, most schools have many nationalities in them now, so no-one will comment on her accent. Besides, even if you do move her away from this teacher, her best friend might turn out to be an Indian and she may pick up [i'>their[/i'> accent... So do you then decide she can't be friends with them..? The only way to ensure she doesn't pick up on the teachers accent is to speak to her in English in her own home so that she picks up your accent instead but as you have said you don't want to do that then what can you expect? She will pick up whatever accent she hears English in whether it be Indian, French or Australian. By the way, what accent do you have? I was a school teacher, I was shocked how nasty kids can be to new children who come into school with a heavy accent. I don't think having a best friend and teacher is the same because: 1. Children look up to their and try to imitate the teacher, particularly they try to imitate the way the teacher speaks (especially at her age). With best friends, you don't always try to imitate them. 2. She will see the teacher everyday, spend 5-6 hours with the teacher whereas she will probably see the best friend few times a week at max. Lastly, if it was a high school teacher, I would never worry because by high school people take on an accent. I am worried because she will learn to read soon. Some sounds like 'r', 't' 'a' can be very different in an indian accent. I have an expat accent :-), or a mish mash of australian and british but DH has a very british accent. edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011 edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011 I understand what you are saying, but in the UK these days, there are a lot of mixed race children, Polish, Indian and Pakistani, to name just a few... it is rare that you don't get a mix of accents these days. In fact, in a lot of schools, having a 'no accent' English voice is likely to stand out even more than a wee tinge of Indian!! Also, of course friends imitate friends that's why kids get in so much trouble these days, peer pressure to be just the same as each other and besides, if they are in the same class then they will spend all day everyday, lunch times, break times and play dates together and she will hear her friends voice far more on a one to one natural basis than a teacher teaching (they don't talk all the time, LOL) who is speaking correctly. She will pick up all the slang from her friend... just a thought. The only way to give her a no-accent English accent is to send her to private school in the UK that enforces correct pronunciation. But then again if you move to most regions of the Uk that have a strong accent, Yorkshire, Cornwall, Birmingham, Liverpool, then her no-accent English will get her picked on much worse than that hint of Indian, you can trust me on [i'>that[/i'> one!

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:23

haven't read the whole thread but if the school teaches british curriculum, it's unacceptable. All job adds for teachers I have seen they require a native english speaker.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:09

To the OP, even if you think you manage to teach your DD to have 'no' accent, I can almost guarantee that if you move to the UK, she will seem to have an accent to someone... and as someone else said, most schools have many nationalities in them now, so no-one will comment on her accent. Besides, even if you do move her away from this teacher, her best friend might turn out to be an Indian and she may pick up [i'>their[/i'> accent... So do you then decide she can't be friends with them..? The only way to ensure she doesn't pick up on the teachers accent is to speak to her in English in her own home so that she picks up your accent instead but as you have said you don't want to do that then what can you expect? She will pick up whatever accent she hears English in whether it be Indian, French or Australian. By the way, what accent do you have? I was a school teacher, I was shocked how nasty kids can be to new children who come into school with a heavy accent. I don't think having a best friend and teacher is the same because: 1. Children look up to their and try to imitate the teacher, particularly they try to imitate the way the teacher speaks (especially at her age). With best friends, you don't always try to imitate them. 2. She will see the teacher everyday, spend 5-6 hours with the teacher whereas she will probably see the best friend few times a week at max. Lastly, if it was a high school teacher, I would never worry because by high school people take on an accent. I am worried because she will learn to read soon. Some sounds like 'r', 't' 'a' can be very different in an indian accent. I have an expat accent :-), or a mish mash of australian and british but DH has a very british accent. edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011 <em>edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011</em>

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 20:04

My worry is, I don't want other children to laugh at her accent when she goes to school back home. I prefer no accent to an strong accent of some sort (be it aussie/indian/german/whatever). 1. There is no such thing as no accent. 2. If she is going to be in Dubai for some time she will most likely develop some kind of mish-mash accent even if all your teachers are from the UK. So if the children she is going to be mixing with are shallow enough to find 'difference' amusing then they will probably laugh anyway, Indian teacher or not. Persoanlly, I have found some Indians here to have a more 'cultured' British accent than many of the native Brits. MsHari, you are absolutely right about some Indians having a much more cultured British accent than the natives. I have nothing against Indian nationality, in fact I love almost everything about Indians. Most I met here are clever, witty and lovely people. I don't care what nationality the teacher is, as long as she speaks with fluency and without a strong accent. I am not a native English speaker myself. About having no accent, I mean having a mish-mash accent or not any accent you can particularly pin down. For example, her current teacher is not native British, I know she lived in the UK, but she has no particular accent. I have no problem with that because of two reasons: 1. I can understand her with no problem whatsoever, so can DD. 2. Her accent is not strong (Indian accent is generally quite strong). When the indian teacher told me they were doing letter 'O', I had no idea whether she was saying 'A', 'U' or 'O' until she showed it to me.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 19:21

... do you really have a choice? It would be very unprofessional of a school to move a child into another class for this reason. So it is most likely if it is a good school that they won't move her. And by all accounts finding a place in this year group at another school will be very hard to do. Given that you said it took a while for her to settle, and that she has friends in this class, wouldn't it be better for [b'>her[/b'> to stay where she is happy, and can develop her self-confidence so that when the time comes to move she has self-assurance enough to deal with any prejudice.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 18:13

To the OP, even if you think you manage to teach your DD to have 'no' accent, I can almost guarantee that if you move to the UK, she will seem to have an accent to someone... and as someone else said, most schools have many nationalities in them now, so no-one will comment on her accent. Besides, even if you do move her away from this teacher, her best friend might turn out to be an Indian and she may pick up [i'>their[/i'> accent... So do you then decide she can't be friends with them..? The only way to ensure she doesn't pick up on the teachers accent is to speak to her in English in her own home so that she picks up your accent instead but as you have said you don't want to do that then what can you expect? She will pick up whatever accent she hears English in whether it be Indian, French or Australian. By the way, what accent do you have?

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 18:05

My kids can do a great take off of an Indian accent and the head nod as well as many others.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 17:57

My worry is, I don't want other children to laugh at her accent when she goes to school back home. I prefer no accent to an strong accent of some sort (be it aussie/indian/german/whatever). 1. There is no such thing as no accent. 2. If she is going to be in Dubai for some time she will most likely develop some kind of mish-mash accent even if all your teachers are from the UK. So if the children she is going to be mixing with are shallow enough to find 'difference' amusing then they will probably laugh anyway, Indian teacher or not. Persoanlly, I have found some Indians here to have a more 'cultured' British accent than many of the native Brits.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 17:51

children are strange... my son, even before we came to Dubai, had an american accent somedays, or with some words, welsh accent for some words, brummie for other words, and even south african accent!! We were in London and then Northampton in the UK ... so god knows where he got these accents... we blamed the tv he watched, spiderman for the american accent etc ... When we arrived in Dubai - all of a sudden he developed this really posh english accent, I thought where on earth are u getting that from, when ur mother is from "saaafff london!! " and supports a cockney accent! lol I would say unless the teacher is seriously pronouncing words incorrectly and are not understood by the child well, then move her with another teacher..

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:39

If it bothers you move her.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:35

My children attend a French school, they have learned French there and speak it like the French as opposed to our French-Canadian accent. My family finds it adorable, as do I. I try not to laugh at times when my DDs lips are all pursed up to speak French! As for their English, they have adopted many many international English words, with their friends being mainly Brits and Aussies. They're never lived in Canada, so when we go home, my family and friends think they have a cute accent (which I can't really hear)... I just think they speak the way we do. two of the words adopted Garden for back yard waTer instead of waDer ;) (love this one, sounds much nicer!) I don't care what kind of accent they pick up, I know we will be expats for life, they'll be exposed to many accents, all of them nice in their own special way. My daughter can now perfectly mimic accents, I love it, she cracks me up. You can ask her to speak English with a French accent or speak with an Indian accent and she'll get it bang on! I think being exposed to all these accents and language patterns will definitely be an advantage to those pursuing drama and theatre (contrary to what someone mentioned before). I think its a wonderful thing we should all embrace.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:26

My DH is part spanish and grew up in the Philippines before moving to QLD in OZ at about 15. His parents speak with a heavy spanish accent. He has an accent which you cannot pin point as one or the other. And his pronunciation of some words I bite my tongue to correct him :) My DS has picked up an accent from school which I think is from the TA. Just before he wanted to go to the 'pork' and I am saying 'park, park, park'. He is also picking up words like diapers, candy etc which I correct him back to Aussie words. But at the end of the day it is all part and parcel of this experience of living in such a multicultural environment. If he has an accent when we return home so be it :)

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:25

OOH, I just had the chance to catch up with the debate here. My worry is, [b'>I don't want other children to laugh at her accent when she goes to school back home.[/b'> I prefer no accent to an strong accent of some sort (be it aussie/indian/german/whatever). It's very likely we will be going back to the UK (DH is a brit), where Indian accent might give her a disadvantage. Whether I like it or not, it's not very acceptable in the UK. I wish it was. CA, as a parent, I want to give my child the best of what I can. I want to make sure I give her the best start in life. There is nothing wrong if I don't want her to pick up a certain way of talking. I find that a tad harsh - and with the way the UK is multi-racial nowadays imo you will be hard put to find a school that doesn't have pupils of other races !! Also, have you considered that it isn't just the teachers that our children pick up accents from but all the different nationalities they now have as friends... It's a feature of where we live and maybe, as someone else has said, if it's that important you should have considered it before you came here..

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:24

A teacher is there to teach not give children elocution lessons, maybe you could speak to the child in your language and DH could speak English to her if you are worried.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:20

CA, as a parent, I want to give my child the best of what I can. I want to make sure I give her the best start in life. There is nothing wrong if I don't want her to pick up a certain way of talking. I didn't intend any attack, tahm563. I was just interested in the way some posters were pussy-footing around why certain ways of talking are less acceptable than others, which of course has a strong race and/or class component that seemed to be hovering in the background without being stated. (Especially interested in what Pomegranate said about having been surprised and clearly a bit appalled by Coleen Rooney and Cheryl Cole's accents which for her don't 'match' their appearances, given that she's not UK and thus didn't recognise the way they spoke as marked with class and region, but still disliked what she heard...) I think your situation is one that faces anyone bringing up a child in a country not their own country of origin - my French sister-in-law and her Irish husband (who live in England) both get family in Ireland and France pulling faces at their sons' Lincolnshire accents. My Paris-living American friend (married to a Frenchman) is bringing up two children whose French is much better than hers, and who often have difficulty understanding the strong regional American accents of their US grandparents. If either family moved back to the country of origin of one of the parents, there would be a period of adjustment, and maybe teasing in the playground, but I don't see how it's possible to enforce a parental accent on a child unless they are literally hearing nothing else. Good luck!

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:18

That's good to know tally-ho and Genie. As I said, I am not from the UK, so I wouldn't know. I can only rely on DH's words. He is not comfortable with his daughter having an Indian accent. He believes it is discriminated at work place, especially for the next generation it will be. For the older generation, there was an influx of migrants. But even those migrants' children will have british accent...not an Indian accent, which will make our DD the odd one out so to speak. DH remembers kids being teased at school for different accents(no body wanted to be their friend etc)...then again he went to a school where it was predominantly the children were English. Being teased in school worries me the most, I frankly don't care how employable she will be. Tally-ho, as I said in my original post, we are trying to teach her(and keep up) another 2nd language at home and avoid English. <em>edited by tahm563 on 30/01/2011</em>

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:17

If it's any consolation to anyone worried about picking up accents, my daughter about the same age had the loveliest teacher but who had THE most dreadful accent. One of those english ones where they drop all the t's? So water become war'a, butter, ba'ar etc. Horrible. But, it made us laugh, and it's gone now (2 yrs later). While people from other countries say lil miss has a kiwi accent, people in NZ say she doesnt...it's an expat accent as has been said. And given she's quite a strong wee personality shes busy spreading the love and her accent is rubbing off on her friends :)

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:11

OOH, I just had the chance to catch up with the debate here. My worry is, I don't want other children to laugh at her accent when she goes to school back home. I prefer no accent to an strong accent of some sort (be it aussie/indian/german/whatever). [b'>It's very likely we will be going back to the UK (DH is a brit), where Indian accent might give her a disadvantage. Whether I like it or not, it's not very acceptable in the UK. I wish it was. [/b'>CA, as a parent, I want to give my child the best of what I can. I want to make sure I give her the best start in life. There is nothing wrong if I don't want her to pick up a certain way of talking. I take exception to that statement - as I am sure you aware many would when you posted it. Not sure of your motives for doing so. I can only say that I have worked with people in the UK who are leaders in their field - Professors / well known and respected Doctors/ researchers etc and yes they have an Indian accent and it has never been a hinderance to them.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:08

You are absolutely wrong about her accent not being acceptable in the UK and it’s your job as the parent to make sure she pronounces her words correctly.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 16:02

OOH, I just had the chance to catch up with the debate here. My worry is, I don't want other children to laugh at her accent when she goes to school back home. I prefer no accent to an strong accent of some sort (be it aussie/indian/german/whatever). It's very likely we will be going back to the UK (DH is a brit), where Indian accent might give her a disadvantage. Whether I like it or not, it's not very acceptable in the UK. I wish it was. CA, as a parent, I want to give my child the best of what I can. I want to make sure I give her the best start in life. There is nothing wrong if I don't want her to pick up a certain way of talking.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 15:31

Interesting discussion, that accents make the person. I had seen Cheryl Cole & Colleen Rooney in magazines for a long time, finally hearing them speak on television really surprised me and for some reason IMO, their voices don't fit their image and my perception of both has changed! Why is that - because they both have working-class regional accents? I'm not from the UK so have no clue regarding what is a working-class regional accent - all I know is that I didn't like what I heard and it didn't match the image I'd seen in the mags.

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Latest post on 30 January 2011 - 15:31

Interesting discussion, that accents make the person. I had seen Cheryl Cole & Colleen Rooney in magazines for a long time, finally hearing them speak on television really surprised me and for some reason IMO, their voices don't fit their image and my perception of both has changed! Why is that - because they both have working-class regional accents? I'm not from the UK so have no clue regarding what is a working-class regional accent - all I know is that I didn't like what I heard and it didn't match the image I'd seen in the mags.

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Interesting discussion, that accents make the person. I had seen Cheryl Cole & Colleen Rooney in magazines for a long time, finally hearing them speak on television really surprised me and for some reason IMO, their voices don't fit their image and my perception of both has changed! Why is that - because they both have working-class regional accents?

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