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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 13:54

trying to decide if we should circumcise our soon to be born son or not. have no religious reasons to do so. my DH was as a child so he'd rather take the same path for our child. are there any negatives to circumcision? what about sensitivity?

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EW GURU

Latest post on 16 April 2011 - 11:25

In the Muslim world,its not compulsory to circumcise a daughter but a must for a son.. I do it also for cleanliness sake. so.. NEVER for my DD but yes if and when I get a DS... S

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EW EXPERT

Latest post on 16 April 2011 - 10:00

Would you circumcise a daughter? Unfortunately that practice is more common in this region that we'd expect... but that's a WHOLE other debate.

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 16 April 2011 - 07:24

Would you circumcise a daughter? Good evidence based facts: http://www.professionaldoula.com/uploads/The_Continuum_of_Normal_Birth-An_Intact_Penis__3-26-09.pdf

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 16 April 2011 - 01:14

Had 2.5 yr old DS circumcised 1.5 months ago. For medical reasons though. I can to some extent surely say that it isn't painful!! Because DS was up, running, jumping, kicking in less than 4 hours (time taken for the effects of GA to subside) He did complain of pain for about 2 days after the op but it was clearly not unbearable pain. No crying at all!! I was surprised as DS can bring down the whole house if he slightly bumped his head!! :/:

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 23:14

Had both my DS circumcised in the UK - both were under 4 wks old at the time. On both occasions my boys came out fine & weren't even crying. Just made me cringe waiting for the bell thingy to fall off! Didn't do for religious reasons but purely DH choice as he is also.

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EW EXPLORER

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 21:48

it is purely your decision. We decided to do it because DH is and didn't want our son to feel like he isn't the same / is different from daddy. Plus I felt it was cleaner also, even though research has been done to say it isnt necessary for health/hyg reasons. Re hurting... DS was completely fine - we had him done 1 month after he was born. He did not show any signs of pain or discomfort except for when the gauze was being taken off (they used the most stickiest stuff ever and we ended up back in City hospital having the emergency doctor help us) - after the dr who performed the proceedure told me to "just pull it off"... now THAT would have hurt him. But other than this as I said, he showed no signs of discomfort. An ex boyfriend of mine got his done when he was 21. He said it was uncomfortable and sore, but nothing that a bit of nurse attention and some panadol didn't fix ;) This is really a personal decision so best discuss with your husband and do what you feel is the right choice for your son. Good luck.

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EW EXPLORER

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 18:33

We did not Circumcise DS - he was born in NZ, DH is not circumcised either...to give you an idea of where the Western world has moved too (with exception of the states)...it is actually now hard to find a Dr willing to circumcise a Newborn boy in NZ - as there are no medical grounds for it. Its not even a question that is asked. With regards to Hygiene...boy oh boy there have been some interesting comments. But here's my 2 cents worth. the foreskin is not detached until they are about 4-5 years old....so it just takes care of itself, up until then. Then your little boy can take over responsibility for cleaning it. DS often jumps into the shower with DH, and as part of the OK make sure you get the shampoo all over you head..rub it in, rinse it out, clean here there and everywhere, Dh also makes sure he knows to pull back his foreskin and clean under it. It is no big deal. In the USA Boys tend to be circumcised...when we lived there DS was the odd one out, and many mothers had their DS circumcised so "they fitted in in the locker room" and "looked the same as their dads"...I can understand it too a point, but at the end of the day you don't have a religous reason for it, why do it?

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EW EXPERT

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 18:17

If it were such a hygiene issue, then I'm amazed that all the non-circumcised men out there haven't keeled over or had their bits fall off. In this wonderful modern age, even if you can't figure out how to clean it yourself, I'm sure there's a video or Dummie's Guide somewhere in the ether to help... or ask your Dr. We haven't circumcised. It's not common practice in the UK and hasn't been for the past 40... 50... 60 years. I also don't believe in chopping bits off unnecessarily and if DS feels really strongly about it when he's old enough to realise the significance and/ or [questionable imo'> utility, then he can trundle off and have it done with my blessing. But it's your baby and your choice... but should it be the parent's choice? Oh, and as for the "they can hardly feel it", well... I only have one word for that, and it's not very nice. There was actually a time, not too long ago, when "specialists" thought that babies couldn't feel any pain. They're resilient creatures and recover well, and quickly, but even so... they do feel it.

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EW OLDHAND

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 17:38

I truly believe this is such a personal decision only you and your DH can make. My advice to you is to read up about the pros and cons and really educate yourself about this. Only then will you feel whether you will do it or not. Asking on a forum is bound to start huge debates and the thread will no doubt get zapped. Educate yourself and make your own decision, along with your DH.

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 17:28

So have your boy circumcised if he is to live in Africa, frequent prostitutes or become gay or be incapable of washing his penis once in a while? <em>edited by Here & Now on 15/04/2011</em>

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 17:24

It's like ear piercing or tattoos, let them decide for themselves when they are old enough. I think it's barbaric to do it to a little baby.

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EW NEWBIE

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 16:33

Gosh WaxMuch, your info is a 'little' tainted!!! To edna.welthorpe: 1. In the modern age, AUSTRALIA routinely circumcised newborn boys without asking the parents first. The practice has been discouraged in Australia since the 1970's http://www.circinfo.org/ 2. There are circumstances were there IS a medical justification for circumcision. In the fight against the spread of HIV/AIDS there have been numerous studies which prove that circumcision can and does reduce the risk of passing on the virus. The World Health Organisation estimates that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60% http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/index.html Moreover, it has also been shown that circumcising HIV-negative men reduces the risk of cervical cancer in women, and a*nal cancer in both sexes. http://www.aidsmap.com/Circumcision-of-HIV-negative-men-reduces-cervical-cancer-risk-for-female-partners/page/1602675/ There are even steps to make circumcision less painless through use of a 'ring' device so as to encourage more men to get themselves done, and its development is being partly funded through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35407224/ns/health-aids Your other references pertain to adult male circumcision programs in African nations where the HIV infection rates are as high as 25-30%... I would argue that this has little bearing on the '1st world. X S

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EW GURU

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 16:23

1. In the modern age, AUSTRALIA routinely circumcised newborn boys without asking the parents first Good grief. That's appalling. I'd never have associated routine, compulsory mutilation of newborn children with a supposedly enlightened country like Australia. So when did the law change to give parents the option, then? 2. There are circumstances were there IS a medical justification for circumcision Very specific circumstances, yes. But there is NO absolute justification for circumcision as a routine procedure. There are no guaranteed medical benefits. In the fight against the spread of HIV/AIDS there have been numerous studies which prove that circumcision can and does reduce the risk of passing on the virus Yes - in countries with a high prevalence of the virus where men do not habitually wear condoms or where condoms can be of poor quality. Short of completely abstaining, there is no more effective method than wearing a condom, regardless of whether or not one has been circumcised. NB. The statements released by the AMA matter little, by the way, to many people outside its borders, and its opinions do not always apply to medical situations outside the USA I quoted the AMA's position because America is pretty much the most circumcision-happy country in the western world. If there was anywhere you'd expect the medical establishment to be generally in favour of it, it's there.

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Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 15:59

Each to their own.We circumcised our boys as DH is. I used to be anti-circumcision to be honest but have changed my mind totally. The pain is only terrible if you wait until they are teenagers.As babies the skin there is still soft and thin. Pain medication will take away any uncomfortable feeling. Both our boys were laughing and playing 8 hours after the snip.

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EW OLDHAND

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 15:39

The last time this topic raised its controversial head, the thread was deleted. To edna.welthorpe: 1. In the modern age, AUSTRALIA routinely circumcised newborn boys without asking the parents first. 2. There are circumstances were there IS a medical justification for circumcision. In the fight against the spread of HIV/AIDS there have been numerous studies which prove that circumcision can and does reduce the risk of passing on the virus. The World Health Organisation estimates that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60% http://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/index.html Moreover, it has also been shown that circumcising HIV-negative men reduces the risk of cervical cancer in women, and a*nal cancer in both sexes. http://www.aidsmap.com/Circumcision-of-HIV-negative-men-reduces-cervical-cancer-risk-for-female-partners/page/1602675/ There are even steps to make circumcision less painless through use of a 'ring' device so as to encourage more men to get themselves done, and its development is being partly funded through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35407224/ns/health-aids/ NB. The statements released by the AMA matter little, by the way, to many people outside its borders, and its opinions do not always apply to medical situations outside the USA. Just because the US of A is at the forefront of many scientific discoveries does not mean that it, as a nation, knows everything. And its medical professionals are not often qualified to make catch-all declarations with regards to the health and well-being of 'everyone else' in the world.

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EW GURU

Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 15:13

10 years ago it wasn't optional in most places, it was done at birth, no questions Which countries in the modern age routinely circumcised newborns without asking the parents first, then? Certainly nowhere in Europe, and not America either. That was stopped because of freedom of choice, not for medical reasons. There is no absolute medical justification for circumcision. Even the American Medical Association confirms that that nearly all speciality societies and medical organisations in the US do *not* recommend routine circumcision of newborns. It's a form of mutilation, after all. The overwhelming impetus for circumcision at birth comes, as it always has done, from religious groups.

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Latest post on 15 April 2011 - 14:44

I have two boys and we opted not to circumcise. I did a lot of reasearch and determined that it was not necessary. It causes the baby a great deal of pain too (no matter what "they" say). My sister was going to have her DS circumcised (her husband is) but when they made enquiries back home in Australia, they were told that these days it is the exception rather than the norm (whereas 30 years ago, it was the other way around). In the end they decided not to circumcise their little guy.

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