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Question regarding the Meadows

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 08:26

My husband is moving over to Dubai in July and he will immediately look for a place for our family to live. The kids and I will arrive mid August. Our kids (11 and 8) will be attending ASD. We visited Dubai in February and decided on the Meadows. I've since read so many mixed opinions on it. Especially regarding specific sections. Most of the rentals I see are for Meadows 9 but I'm starting to question why there are so many rentals in this section. Our budget is $185,000/year. I'm starting to get nervous because we really have our heart set on a 4 or 5 bedroom villa. Can anyone shed some light on my concerns? Is this a nice area? Is section 9 nice? Are there any other areas comprable to the Meadows? We really chose the Meadows based on close proximity to school, beaches, mall etc. Also, it's the most similiar to our housing here in the states. We like the neighborhood feel. Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm excited about the move but also very nervous!!

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 29 April 2011 - 06:40
If you are wanting a detached 4 or 5 bed in the Lakes that will be more expensive than the Meadows, certainly more expensive that Meadows 9. You really need to raise your budget to 200,000 k plus for a 4 bed, plus factor in agents commission pf 10%, plus the deposit that you give to the landlord (you may get this back at end of your lease but it is an upfront cost to consider). As other posters have pointed out there are other areas where your budget will definitely stretch to 4 bedrooms, possible 5, but you may have to compromise on other areas. Life one big compromise......
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 29 April 2011 - 01:56
The Lakes has got to be one of the best areas to live in Dubai - if you're looking for a nice, quiet family neighborhood. SZR is 5 mins away. Great to get to schools as well, walking/bicycling distance to DIA and Regent and a short drive to many other schools including DAA and ASD. The green spaces are lovely, I love how the birds create a racket in my garden, there are 8 or so communal pools, 1 for each mini-community and you're welcome to use the pool of another community if you're bored of your own. There will be a pool, park and playground within a couple of minutes walk, wherever you may live in the Lakes. Common barbecue areas which are great during the winter months. A Choithram within walking/biking distance for groceries, Mall of Emirates and Ibn Batuta, a 15 min drive away. There are bicycling paths and walkways. A Hayya Club for your gymming needs, even a restaurant by the big pool. There is also a football field, tennis courts, basketball courts, children's nursery - all within the Lakes. And of course there are around 5-6 lakes, dotting the Lakes. You will find independent as well as attached housing here - maybe a bit more expensive than the Springs/Meadows though (The attached ones go for around 170k - 190k) We love living here.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 23:05
I wasn't crazy about Al Barsha when we went and toured the villas there. I'd really like to see some grass when I'm taking a walk outside and not a bunch of sand :) But I have a feeling that's something I'm going to have to get used to.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 22:40
Yes, I think the Lakes *is* nearer to ASD than the Meadows. Then there's Al Barsha, of course. Oh, and just in case it's not already been mentioned, don't forget to build into your calculations for the first year, an extra 10% (I think? estate agent's commission and something else?) on top of the year's rent in advance.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 22:26
My main concern now is my husband is coming over without me to find our place. He's so tired of me stressing out about the housing situation. Maybe I read too much info online :) But what I am reading is Dubizzle seems to be a waste of time. My confidence in the housing market was lifted because I see so many potential places for us to rent in the Meadows. They are a little above our budget but if we want a 4 bedroom we will obviously have to go higher. But people seem to think Dubizzle sends you on a goose chase. Any thoughts on that? Also, I think we might have to rethink the Meadows. Possibly look more in Arabian Ranches and the Lakes. I haven't been to the Lakes nor do I know where it is. But someone mentioned it is closer to the ASD than the Meadows. I just want to know where we are living and get this stress out of my life!!! Thanks for listening :) <em>edited by scschroder on 28/04/2011</em>
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 09:09
I wouldn't put too much hopes in finding a villa with a "nice" kitchen. In our four years in Dubai I've rarely seen a truly nice kitchen, certainly nothing like the high end gourmet kitchens you can get in the US. They're rare, true, but can be had. We have an 'open plan' combined living/kitchen with a large granite island [with eight bar-height chairs around'> with a custom-built kitchen, which came with -- as I said in an earlier post -- 'everything'. We didn't have to buy any appliances [something the OP should also note: many villa kitchens require you outfit them with cooker/fridge-freezer/dishwasher and the rest'>. We have glass-fronted display cupboards, built-in microwave, our automatic pumped water cooling system is attached to the fridge-freezer [plus ice-maker'> in a separate cupboard ... Yes, we know we were extremely lucky, and of course, it's wise to know what is 'out there', but there are still some great villas, with nice mod-cons, to be had ... if you look for them. :) The villas which were bought 'off-plan' by LLs purely for rental income are unlikely to be design masterpieces, but our LL and his family lived here before upgrading to a Jumeirah palace [lol'> so they obviously wanted to live well while they were here. Which was nice for us. The only 'issue' we had was with the bedrooms [they had three daughters and ALL their rooms were HOT pink!'> but the LL had the whole villa repainted before we moved in -- at his expense -- so all's well that ends well. :)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 08:52
As others have mentioned, both Arabian Ranches and Victory Heights are worthwhile areas to look at if you want a masterplanned community at slightly cheaper rents than the Meadows. I wouldn't put too much hopes in finding a villa with a "nice" kitchen. In our four years in Dubai I've rarely seen a truly nice kitchen, certainly nothing like the high end gourmet kitchens you can get in the US. Most people rent so there's little incentive on both the tenant and landlord's part to spend the money on high-end cabinets and fancy tiles and countertops, even in the very expensive villas on the Palm Jumeirah. We left behind a fabulous custom-made kitchen with cabinets made by Amish carpenters and lovely Italian tiles for a very basic kitchen with slightly grungy black cabinets and 1970s style subway tiles on the floors and walls, and yes, it was hard, but as it turns out having a maid means we spend very little time in our kitchen (which is probably another reason why people are hesitant to splurge out on kitchen fixtures). The villas here, even the new ones, generally don't have the open end floorplans you find in US, rather you get a lot of poky rooms. It's actually the Arab style villas where you will find the biggest floor spaces.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 08:39
The Lakes is closer to ASD than Meadows. You can walk from anywhere to anywhere in The Lakes (weather permitting) so you are always within walking distance of the main pool, gym, convenience store.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 08:32
If you are keen on the Meadows then rent there first for a year and then you have time to find out what the other areas are like. I certainly wouldn't rule out AR as it has some gorgeous houses and is a great community and the road does cut out alot of time. I also like Victory Heights. We live in Meadows 5 and love it. We are between Town Centre and Meadows Village for shops. Although there is no pool we can use the communal pool in Springs 1 which is 5 mins walk away. Or join Hayya club and you can use the pools and facilities there. If you want a house with pool then expect to pay premium. The quality of build does differ from area to area depending on which contractor was used at the time. DH is an architect and he says the quality build of houses here is fine and will certainly stand for a few more years!
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 07:49
We live in AR and don't find it isolated. We love coming home to the quiet, green haven with so many birds etc. With the new road and flyover opened, the trip to ASD would honestly only take you 10 mins. It is so direct. It could end up taking you longer from the Meadows. I am sure ASD have a school bus to AR. Just saying, don't rule it out.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 07:21
For those people with private pools do you feel it is worth the extra cost to your rent? Is it worth having one? For us, it definitely swung the deal. I loathe community pools but -- as an Aussie -- feel that warm climates demand them, so a pool in our backyard was definitely on the list of 'must haves' when we were looking for a villa. It is true that we are not able to use ours for a few months each year because it's simply too hot [we don't have a pool chiller'> but to my mind, it's too hot to be outside anyway, so we don't mind so much. And yes, it did put extra cost on our rent, and on our maintenance fees [we pay 2400dhs every six months for twice-weekly cleaning by a professional pool servicing company'> but again, it's worth it. One other thing for NadiaA .... I know what you mean about Meadows 9 and its proximity to the power lines, but not all streets are like this. We can't even see them from our villa [they are three 'blocks' away'> and I'm not sure which highway approach you're referring to as the 'entrance' because Meadows 9 is really at the back of all the developments; lots of people don't even know how to find us! :D We also have a huge lake in the middle of the development [five minutes walk from our villa, true'> as with other Meadows areas; I think one just has to find the right villa in the right street of a particular development, not dismiss the whole area out of hand because there are issues in certain streets of it. ;) Also, re the speed limits ... I do know what you mean. ;) But I've had more hair-raising incidents with RESIDENTS screaming down the roads in their Beemers/Maseratis [100mph on the smooth bits; stopping to 2mph at the speedbumps!'> than taxi drivers. Most taxi drivers meander round like they don't know where they're going [ie slowly!'>; it's the people who live here who should watch their speed imho. :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 28 April 2011 - 00:08
We live in a 5 bed + study and pay 240k/year. There is nothing shabby at our end but yes, Meadows is not upscale housing by any standard and bathroom/kitchen fittings are identical to what I had even when I lived in Dubai years ago in a two bed appartment - but no, its not falling apart!. I would not recommend Meadows 9 - the approach to Meadows 7, 8 and 9 is from a highway which definitey takes away from the cozy residential feel. 9 is right next to the electric pylons and visually I find it quite ugly - my little one goes to nursery in Springs 7 which is very close to it hence I see it every morning. Meadows 6, 7 and 8 are built on a circular lake which makes them slightly more attractive however its Meadows 1-5 that are the greenest and have a nicer feel. The community itself is quite nice and we enjoy living here. The security is not very tight and pretty much anyone can enter with a fake villa/street number. There is also no speed limit within the community and you often see taxis screeching about - I find this scary since I have a three year old and can't stand people speeding in residential spaces. Like others, we like being away from all the hustle and bustle and yet enjoy being close enough to all the action!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 19:47
Thanks for all your responses. We looked at Al Barsha, Um Sequim and lots of other areas around that part of town. But we really liked the feel of the Meadows. I also liked Arabian Ranches but it was a little remote. What does anyone know about the Lakes? It seems very similiar to the Meadows. But I'm not sure how close it is to ASD. However, it still sounds like the Meadows is the best area for our family but I need have to get used to the fact that they are a little run down. I'm not looking forward to a shabby kitchen!! Luckily my husband is a great handyman so that will definitely benefit us. I was starting to see that $185,000 budget is low for a 4 bedroom. I guess we will have to go above our budget and hope that my husband can do some major negotiating with the LL. For those people with private pools do you feel it is worth the extra cost to your rent? Is it worth having one?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 09:49
I am in springs 15 opp meadows 9 and love this area. The reasons being the community was built with families in mind.Its a 15min walk to shops, they are lovely green areas for the kids to enjoy as well as parks and pools locally, springs 15 has 2 communal pools. Yes the community looks a bit older/established but that is what gives it character and stops it lookinglikie the other generic looking developments in Dubai. I know all my neighbours which is something i very much disliked about living in Umm Sequien 1 for 3 years where i didnt and if the rent hadn't been so cheap we would have been out of there a lot sooner. The fact that we are half way between SHZ road and al khail/emirates road i see as a positive and to be fair will it make that much difference to your life if you have another 3mins in the car? I have beenn in Dubai fopr over 8 years and have lived all over and this is by far my favourite place to live but then this is only my humble oppinion.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 09:44
The kitchen 'swung' it for me when we were looking around back in 2008 [oh, that and the fact that we're on a corner so have a big garden plus pool'>. I found so many of the kitchens in the villas I inspected just awful. Really nasty fittings, horrible colours, and poorly designed to boot. But as I said, we've been very lucky with our LL in that he pays for a maintenance contract [regular servicing plus call-outs etc'> and is very quick to respond to any problems, but as you say, DIY has become something of a necessity here. ;) But we LOVE Meadows; love the quiet, love the fact that we can 'shut out' Dubai ... It's our own little corner and we'd be loath to move because there are far more pluses than minuses! Good luck to you though. I don't blame you for wanting to find a nicer kitchen! :D
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 09:36
Had the same issue - have become quite adept at abit of DIY to glue the things back. Lucky you with a new kitchen, ours is the original and it is really dated and pretty tatty looking. Unfortunately our LL is a company that owns numerous rental properties so they have no interest in 'upgrading' the properties beyond basic maintenance. I like living in the Meadows but just think that we may enjoy somewhere else equally and have a nice kitchen!
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 09:30
It is true that the community is looking 'old'. We live there but are thinking of moving mainly due to wanting higher spec finishing in the kitchen and bathrooms which we can get for an equivalent price elsewhere. We're in a 4 bed and pay more than 185,000 so if you have luck getting a 4 or 5 bed for 185,000 do let us know as a big rent reduction may outweigh old kitchen and bathrooms. Our kitchen is probably the one place with which I AM happy, given that it was a new one put in by our LL [who's an architect'> and which came with all the mod-cons, including huge fridge, d/washer, microwave/cooker and the rest, all built in ... But have you found that just about ALL your cupboard doors in the bathrooms/laundry are 'losing' their surfaces?! Ours just 'spring' off the MDF cr@pboard on which they've been semi-sealed, and it annoys the %$&$ out of me. Sigh. I swear, this place requires constant upkeep. But we love it. Really we do. :D . <em>edited by WaxMuch on 27/04/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 09:26
It is true that the community is looking 'old'. We live there but are thinking of moving mainly due to wanting higher spec finishing in the kitchen and bathrooms which we can get for an equivalent price elsewhere. We're in a 4 bed and pay more than 185,000 so if you have luck getting a 4 or 5 bed for 185,000 do let us know as a big rent reduction may outweigh old kitchen and bathrooms.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 09:16
I know, Tallybalt ... pathetic, eh? I was told that these villas start to crumble at five years, really show wear-and-tear at 10, and fall apart at 15 years old. So hey ... we're doing ... um ... fine. :\: There's a reason that this part of the planet wasn't developed 'like this' for centuries, and that's to do with the environment. There's not a construction material yet invented that can withstand the high temps this place throws at its dwellings! As for the rent, well ... gulp ... I shudder to think what we paid before the crash, and thank goodness we're paying less now. Seriously though. 400K!?!?! Aaaaagh! And we thought we had a bargain at the time! :D
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EW GURU
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 09:10
the main problem with ALL the Springs/Meadows villas is that they are getting old and are starting to show that age! I had to laugh. The Meadows is only, what, seven years old? But that's Dubai for you. ScSchroder: your budget is on the low end for a standalone villa in the Meadows/Lakes. 170-180K will get you a 3 bedroom + Maid's villa in the Lakes and a larger attached villa in the Springs. We live in Umm Suqeim and we pay about 170K for a four bedroom + Maid's standalone villa but with no pool (we paid 300,000 in our first year in Dubai, so it's been a very nice rent deduction!). It's not a masterplanned community with lush landscaping like the Meadows/Emirates Hills, but it's still a pleasant part of town, right by the beaches and so convenient to so many amenities and shops and malls. DS will be going to ASD this fall and the drive will be fifteen-twenty minutes. We almost moved to the Meadows as I really wanted a pool for the boys but since it will be our last year in Dubai we decided to stay put and got a hotel club membership instead. Another community you may want to look at if you want a standalone 4+ bedroom villa is Al Barsha itself. You should be able to get a nice villa with a pool in your budget and it's only 5 minutes to ASD max!
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 08:42
I'm in Meadows 9 and have lived here for almost three years. If you've looked at the development on a map, you will see that we are the last section and therefore the furthest from Sheikh Zayed Road [the main thoroughfare in Dubai'>. Moreover, at the back of the development, there is a long row of electrical pylons which understandably cause some people concern. That said, it is a beautiful quiet area with no construction noise, is close to Spinneys Town Centre, 10-15 minutes from several of the big malls, and within easy driving distance of local schools. School bus services also service the area. There is no 'common pool' area in the development however; if your villa doesn't have a private pool, it is a drive [or a walk in winter'> to the nearest public pool/community area. I think the villas in your budget would -- more than likely -- be ones at the back, near the electrical pylons. We live in a 4-bed [with garden/pool/gazebo'> and are paying [gulp'> a bit more than 185K. Most people in our street are in the 240K+ zone to be honest, depending on their amenities. I really think it's a great place to live. Despite some recent issues we've had with water pressure and a few leaks in our air-con [and more!'> we plan on staying here as long as possible. Our LL is fantastic, really takes care of us; the main problem with ALL the Springs/Meadows villas is that they are getting old and are starting to show that age! Good luck with your search though. I'm sure you'll find somewhere you like, but I can recommend Meadows as a great place to live. :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 27 April 2011 - 08:41
Hi Meadows 9 is the cheaper Meadows community as it furthest from SZR, has no community pool, and is near the electricity pylons. However, I doubt you will get a 4 / 5 bed property in this community for 185,000, perhaps a 3 bed. I think 4 beds are more in the region of 195,000, 5 beds over 200,000. But perhaps you may find a landlord open to hard negotiation. Best of luck.
 
 

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