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Latest post on 04 November 2011 - 12:25
But spongemonkey...doesn't my point (made somewhere in there!) also stand true? When we move to the UAE we should all be making ourselves very aware of the local laws and the enforcement of same. If people do not want to attract the attention of the authorities either don't engage in locally illegal behaviour or do it with a very low profile to fly under the radar. The OP has every right to peace and quiet in her own home. Especially since she's not even in a badly constructed apartment, there is no acceptable excuse for repeatedly making so much noise that she can't hear herself think. Given expats are guests in the country, IF the 'noisy neighbours' were locals celebrating an important event, the OP couldn't really complain. All these inconsiderate people have to do is turn the music down. If they can't do that after repeated requests, I think the OP has every right to call the police. If it was me, they'd get one more chance and I'd tell them involving the police would be my next step. From there they can choose to keep it down or expect a knock on the door. Their choice. They can always go to a club or pub for ear-splitting music if that's what they need for a good time. Sorry...rambling. I just can't believe some would accept this as ok behaviour from a neighbour anywhere in the world. Again, she said " at times" ...? I am not for a minute suggesting that this is acceptable behaviour ( if it were happening). I would be the FIRST person to do something about it - [b'>BUT I would try to do something myself first. In this case, if I had been round there twice then I would go one more time and tell them Sorry but this is enough and if it happens again then there will be a big problem. I however would like to think that the message had got through earlier. [/b'> I remember a thread similar to this before with one person who was outraged on a Thursday evening because music was being played and her child was in bed at 9.30pm. Similar stories of calling the police etc etc... I just think there has to be a better way. This is essentially exactly what I'm saying. ;) So we do agree there is a place for calling the police. The OP did say "at times" but these neighbours have only been there for 2 months. If I had needed to speak to new neighbours twice in less than two months and the poor behaviour continued, I'd be making that last polite request the second they started the noise again.
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Latest post on 04 November 2011 - 12:09
But spongemonkey...doesn't my point (made somewhere in there!) also stand true? When we move to the UAE we should all be making ourselves very aware of the local laws and the enforcement of same. If people do not want to attract the attention of the authorities either don't engage in locally illegal behaviour or do it with a very low profile to fly under the radar. The OP has every right to peace and quiet in her own home. Especially since she's not even in a badly constructed apartment, there is no acceptable excuse for repeatedly making so much noise that she can't hear herself think. Given expats are guests in the country, IF the 'noisy neighbours' were locals celebrating an important event, the OP couldn't really complain. All these inconsiderate people have to do is turn the music down. If they can't do that after repeated requests, I think the OP has every right to call the police. If it was me, they'd get one more chance and I'd tell them involving the police would be my next step. From there they can choose to keep it down or expect a knock on the door. Their choice. They can always go to a club or pub for ear-splitting music if that's what they need for a good time. Sorry...rambling. I just can't believe some would accept this as ok behaviour from a neighbour anywhere in the world. Again, she said " at times" ...? I am not for a minute suggesting that this is acceptable behaviour ( if it were happening). I would be the FIRST person to do something about it - BUT I would try to do something myself first. In this case, if I had been round there twice then I would go one more time and tell them Sorry but this is enough and if it happens again then there will be a big problem. I however would like to think that the message had got through earlier. I remember a thread similar to this before with one person who was outraged on a Thursday evening because music was being played and her child was in bed at 9.30pm. Similar stories of calling the police etc etc... I just think there has to be a better way.
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Latest post on 04 November 2011 - 11:59
This thread is taking a very strange turn Of course it would be very questionable if you were just calling the police to try and get your neighbours carted off to the cells out of some sort of malicious revenge - but this does not appear to be what OP is talking about However if you are being subjected and plagued by a major noise nuisance as a regular event rather than the odd party/holiday every few weeks AND if your neighbours have ignored polite requests to keep their noise within reasonable boundaries THEN I don't see the problem calling the police to come and ask them to quieten down She said " at times'" - is that a major noise nuisance? You and I are both trying to interpret what the OP said..
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Latest post on 04 November 2011 - 10:32
I often think that is one of the sad things about living here - people get caught up in a little "Me Bubble" . Those noisy neighbours are the ones living in the "me bubble."
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Latest post on 04 November 2011 - 10:31
But spongemonkey...doesn't my point (made somewhere in there!) also stand true? When we move to the UAE we should all be making ourselves very aware of the local laws and the enforcement of same. If people do not want to attract the attention of the authorities either don't engage in locally illegal behaviour or do it with a very low profile to fly under the radar. The OP has every right to peace and quiet in her own home. Especially since she's not even in a badly constructed apartment, there is no acceptable excuse for repeatedly making so much noise that she can't hear herself think. Given expats are guests in the country, IF the 'noisy neighbours' were locals celebrating an important event, the OP couldn't really complain. All these inconsiderate people have to do is turn the music down. If they can't do that after repeated requests, I think the OP has every right to call the police. If it was me, they'd get one more chance and I'd tell them involving the police would be my next step. From there they can choose to keep it down or expect a knock on the door. Their choice. They can always go to a club or pub for ear-splitting music if that's what they need for a good time. Sorry...rambling. I just can't believe some would accept this as ok behaviour from a neighbour anywhere in the world.
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Latest post on 04 November 2011 - 00:00
This thread is taking a very strange turn Of course it would be very questionable if you were just calling the police to try and get your neighbours carted off to the cells out of some sort of malicious revenge - but this does not appear to be what OP is talking about However if you are being subjected and plagued by a major noise nuisance as a regular event rather than the odd party/holiday every few weeks AND if your neighbours have ignored polite requests to keep their noise within reasonable boundaries THEN I don't see the problem calling the police to come and ask them to quieten down
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 20:54
I often think that is one of the sad things about living here - people get caught up in a little "Me Bubble" .
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 20:44
@spongemonkey - Do you have to put up with what BNBH does ? My comments are because of what happened to our friend when he thought he was doing a neighbourly thing and helping someone who was being attacked. You can think you are doing the right thing, only for it to backfire. She said twice they had been around previously ...you really think that someone should go to JAIL because they are having a bit of a noise and party???? They're breaking the law!!! And being inconsiderate how is he breaking the law ? do we know if he or his guests carry a licence ? I agree with him being totally inconsiderate and I would call the police after 11pm - any noise that disturbs your sleep is not on IMOA but having a party is not illegal as far as I know ? stand to be corrected ..
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 20:41
Loud enough to drown out the TV in your house is unacceptable no matter the time of day. No matter where we live, we should all be mindful of our neighbours. Special, local-custom occasions aside (Eid etc), it's not morally ok to disturb the peace. I'm a 'call the police as an absolute last resort' type. If your neighbours have apologised once before, then they have acknowledged they know they are not being considerate. If they were my neighbours, I'd approach them at a time that they are clearly up & about but the partying (?) is not currently under-way. All you are really asking them to do is to keep the volume down. If they can't still respect your right to peace and quiet in your home, then it might be time to call the police. Many of our home countries have laws about the level of acceptable noise, especially after hours. In my home country I'd have no qualms about calling the police if a neighbour ignored a polite request and was breaking the law or repeatedly being just plain inconsiderate. sm...why is it not ok to do the same in Dubai? Local celebrations aside, which we all know about and can plan for, why should someone accept appalling behaviour from a neighbour. Especially in Dubai, it's potentially more of a risk to deal with it yourself... Well, here is a clue to the answer to your last question... I can't actually answer it honestly because if I did I could have my details passed onto the authorities as per the rules of the Mods/Board. . Now does that happen on Mumsnet? <em>edited by spongemonkey on 03/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 20:28
Well we all know that certain people get special treatment and the rules don't apply to them..... <em>edited by spongemonkey on 03/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 10:29
[b'>i agree. i find it very sad that one expat would rat out another expat. we are all here on 'borrowed time' and how would you like it if your life, your future, your kids' futures are cut short because someone called the cops? [/b'> some time ago it was unheard of for expats to threaten each other with the police. now it seems to be the norm. [b'>to the OP, sorry you're going through this, we all have crappy neighbours at one time or another but we live and let live because of our respective visa situations.[/b'> How is a passport and visa relevant at all? So my neighbor should get special treatment and the rules shouldn't apply to him just because he has a foreign passport?
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 09:25
... i agree. i find it very sad that one expat would rat out another expat. we are all here on 'borrowed time' and how would you like it if your life, your future, your kids' futures are cut short because someone called the cops? some time ago it was unheard of for expats to threaten each other with the police. now it seems to be the norm. ... When did it become the norm to treat your neighbours with such a lack of respect? Why is it acceptable 'just' because of the laws of the country? If all other avenues (ie reasonable discussion) have been fruitless, the inconsiderate neighbour would, in any other country, expect a knock on the door from the police. Nobody is going to jail if they are not doing anything illegal. If they are doing something illegal they should shut the h*ll up so they don't annoy the neighbours! Simple really.
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 09:20
Spongey, I normally agree with you, but that comment is bang out of order! For the OP, I wouldn't call the police, but would warn them that I'd it continues you will be left with little choice. Good luck, noise pollution is a huge stressor and one you can live without. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions..I think calling the police to get someone put in jail is bang out of order. i agree. i find it very sad that one expat would rat out another expat. we are all here on 'borrowed time' and how would you like it if your life, your future, your kids' futures are cut short because someone called the cops? some time ago it was unheard of for expats to threaten each other with the police. now it seems to be the norm. to the OP, sorry you're going through this, we all have crappy neighbours at one time or another but we live and let live because of our respective visa situations. i hope you get this sorted somehow. btw: our current neighbours prefer to drill holes at midnight. i bang on the walls with my high heels and they stop. the next morning we growl at each other over the fence, but come the weekend all's ok again. until the next drilling session grrrrrrrrr
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 09:12
For the OP, perhaps you need to look at living in some of the " compound areas" where there is security and an laid down by laws eg Emaar areas. edited by spongemonkey on 03/11/2011 We lived in one of those areas and our neighbour was terrible. He started partying on weekends and it gradually ended up happening eveery night. Hubby used to go round and they would turn the music down for half an hour then back up again. Security would come round again they would turn it down for a while then up again. Police came several times asked hime to turn it down. One night the police were round four times. Anyway he ended up getting a promotion and moving overseas so it was all nice and quite until we moved out. In Scotland, the police will attend and ask that the music be turned down, if they get called back again,they have the power to remove the music system, that usually brings the party to an end,,
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 09:02
For the OP, perhaps you need to look at living in some of the " compound areas" where there is security and an laid down by laws eg Emaar areas. edited by spongemonkey on 03/11/2011 We lived in one of those areas and our neighbour was terrible. He started partying on weekends and it gradually ended up happening eveery night. Hubby used to go round and they would turn the music down for half an hour then back up again. Security would come round again they would turn it down for a while then up again. Police came several times asked hime to turn it down. One night the police were round four times. Anyway he ended up getting a promotion and moving overseas so it was all nice and quite until we moved out. We lived in two villas in a mainly 'local' area and never had a problem. We moved to a gated community and experienced our first noisy/inconsiderate neighbours, all with zero support from the community officials.
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 08:59
For the OP, perhaps you need to look at living in some of the " compound areas" where there is security and an laid down by laws eg Emaar areas. edited by spongemonkey on 03/11/2011 We lived in one of those areas and our neighbour was terrible. He started partying on weekends and it gradually ended up happening eveery night. Hubby used to go round and they would turn the music down for half an hour then back up again. Security would come round again they would turn it down for a while then up again. Police came several times asked hime to turn it down. One night the police were round four times. Anyway he ended up getting a promotion and moving overseas so it was all nice and quite until we moved out.
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 08:51
That is why i love living in an Emaar property there is no noise after 10pm. New neighbour moved in and decided to start her drilling at 2am on a Wednesday morning. I think seeing me in my pyjamas with scary hair ( plus everyone in the building got up and banged on her door) was enough to frighten her into never doing it again... She has been quiet ever since
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 08:44
Loud enough to drown out the TV in your house is unacceptable no matter the time of day. No matter where we live, we should all be mindful of our neighbours. Special, local-custom occasions aside (Eid etc), it's not morally ok to disturb the peace. I'm a 'call the police as an absolute last resort' type. If your neighbours have apologised once before, then they have acknowledged they know they are not being considerate. If they were my neighbours, I'd approach them at a time that they are clearly up & about but the partying (?) is not currently under-way. All you are really asking them to do is to keep the volume down. If they can't still respect your right to peace and quiet in your home, then it might be time to call the police. Many of our home countries have laws about the level of acceptable noise, especially after hours. In my home country I'd have no qualms about calling the police if a neighbour ignored a polite request and was breaking the law or repeatedly being just plain inconsiderate. sm...why is it not ok to do the same in Dubai? Local celebrations aside, which we all know about and can plan for, why should someone accept appalling behaviour from a neighbour. Especially in Dubai, it's potentially more of a risk to deal with it yourself...
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 07:12
Wait until Eid starts and other festivities! Would you all be as ready to call the police to your Emirati and OTHER nationalities houses when they start letting off fireworks etc and having children scream about in the garden at midnight? I wonder................. Unfortunately everybody doesn't go to bed here at 10pm ! Everyone doesn't work regular " weekdays" .Quite the opposite I would say. For the OP, perhaps you need to look at living in some of the " compound areas" where there is security and an laid down by laws eg Emaar areas. <em>edited by spongemonkey on 03/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 06:36
Well I went to be to read and wind down about 10.15, the music and whooping, yelling was still going on. Eventually I fell asleep at 11 and it was still carrying on. DH was ok as he can sleep thru anything (lol), so I'm not sure what time it finished. I'm a wee bit tired as I'm up at 5.30 everyday;-) He did let us know he is having a party on Friday, we said fine, holidays etc and we will also be out and he did invite us. But seriously I will try and find some neighbours today who may have been disturbed. I really dont want them in trouble but just reasonable for a weeknight.
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Latest post on 03 November 2011 - 06:08
In her OP she mentioned guests showing up with Duty Free bags so she said she assumed they were overseas visitors. I guess one could also assume it was alcohol in the bags. If I was subjected to regular noise at unsociable hours despite repeated requests to turn it down, would I call the police? Yes. Would I mention alcohol? No. <em>edited by Sanddy_Dogg on 03/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 23:57
The OP didn't mention alcohol did she?-just loud music-or am I missing something?
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 23:37
Could you perhaps get another neighbour to ask? Maybe if it's more than one house making a complaint they may change their mind. Or get a copy of that leaflet the ministry of (i forgot what its called but i think it might be decency) used to hand out about appropriate behaviour, circle the parts applicable and slide it under the door &gt;:) At the end of the day you are not trying to get them in jail, you jsut want the noise to tone down. You have informed them that you will have no choice but to report them if the bahaviour continues, and they would be fully aware that having alcohol without a license (or giving it to guests) is illegal so the consequences of the police showing up for anything else is on their heads. It's not like they don't know it can happen. <em>edited by SkyKitty on 02/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 22:58
There are cells at the police station which was where our friend was held. That's not jail ! so he was free to walk out at any time....
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 22:58
If they are not breaking the law, they will not go to jail! I am sure if they were appropriately licenced and just making noise they would be told off and then maybe they would take notice. If they are, however breaking the law and the OP has twice asked them to stop, or be more discreet, what else shoud she do?
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 22:57
It may also be worth noting, IT IS A WEEK DAY !! Kids are in school tomorrow, hubby in work , If that was near me after 9pm I would not be happy either !! and yes if they ignored my request to tone it down I would call the authorities <em>edited by Sage & Onion on 02/11/2011</em>
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 22:56
There are cells at the police station which was where our friend was held. That's not jail !
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 22:54
[b'>Where did I say they should be put in jail ?? I said they could be put in the cells, not the same thing.[/b'>From the original post it would appear this 'neighbour' makes a fairly regular habit of having noisy parties. As the OP asks, how long do you let this go on. what cells are there that aren't jail ? lol
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 22:53
Where did I say they should be put in jail ?? I said they could be put in the cells, not the same thing. From the original post it would appear this 'neighbour' makes a fairly regular habit of having noisy parties. As the OP asks, how long do you let this go on.
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Latest post on 02 November 2011 - 22:46
And you've already tried twice, their response has been inconsiderate and rude, what else should one do?
 
 

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