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Painless childbirth : The Lamaze Method

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 13 January 2011 - 22:08

Good Evening Ladies,

Hope you're going to have a nice w e
I would really like and need to find this book written by Fernand Lamaze but, apparently, it's impossible to find and order it in any bookstore in Dubai
So do you know where I can buy it?
I saw on amazon that they are selling it but, each time, they say that they don't ship any items in the UAE
So how could I make it work?

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 11:40
A postive, wonderful and enjoyment filled drug free birth experience has a lot to do with where your mind is at with regard to child birth. Oh please, what clap trap. Just because you disagree with what I say there is no need to call it clap trap. I've given birth twice, naturally with no drugs, both were amazing beautiful experiences where i was totally aware of exactly each muscle and what it had to do to succeed in pushing the baby out. Being mentally prepared for something makes all the difference, not just in labour but every facet of life! Can you imagine the uproar if those that had drug free births said that women who needed pain relief were talking clap trap! Everyone is different and I agree with you that being prepared and knowing a little about what your body has to do to get the baby out safely helps enormously when (literally) push comes to shove. Childbirth in Dubai is hugely medicalised and from my professional experience, there are a lot of women here who rock up in labour and haven't got a clue what's going on because they rely soley on the OB to get the baby out. I'm in no way discounting the labours where the baby doesn't play ball and do their part!!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:56
I didn't use any pain relief during my recent 1st labour. I had an open mind about it, I thought I'd see what happened when it started.. if I wanted an epidural after the 1st contraction then I'd goto hospital and ask for one! But as it was, 5 hours at home and 3 and a half hours after I went into hospital, my DD was born and I found I didn't need anything. As Hello.Kitty has said.. it's not a scary pain, it's not a broken bone it's a muscle working and it isn't continuous (even at the end I was surprised when the OB said "this is it" because I'd been waiting for the continuous unbearable contractions that I'd been told about) My DH is still disappointed that he didn't get to try any gas and air!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2011 - 10:05
As for mind over matter, would you think it possible to have an ECS without any pain relief and not scream the house down? just a question. ECS? A elective c-section? Come off it! lol I want anaesthetics at the sight of a scalpel! Sorry meant emergency C - section. gosh, no... same thing. It's cutting - it's a trauma injury and a complete no-brainer as to needing adequate pain relief. There are some hard-core people out there, but I don't think any of them would say that they can mind-over-matter the pain of a knife cut away... ... saying that, aren't there some strange blokes who work themselves into a trance and then put knives through themselves as a proof of faith?! :\: <em>edited by Hello.Kitty on 17/01/2011</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 21:38
Painless childbirth, not two words I would normally associate together LOL
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 21:32
As for mind over matter, would you think it possible to have an ECS without any pain relief and not scream the house down? just a question. ECS? A elective c-section? Come off it! lol I want anaesthetics at the sight of a scalpel! Sorry meant emergency C - section.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 20:12
Hi Ladies, Hope everything is good for you!! Dubai Cat - Thanks for the proposition I already know a lady who gave me lots of usefuls contacts like midwives and doulas Maybe it's the same lady that you and I are speaking about!! Green ish - Do please tell us what you wrote, and that you erased, this thread is for every woman!! Yesterday I went to Borders MCC to order the birthing from within book but apparently it's impossible to get it Hello Kitty - I hope you got my e mail Sponge Monkey - Yes one of the big magic to help you deliver is called drugs For my first one I had an epidural and it didn't help at all!!! That's why I was considering to give a try to other methods of perceiving the birth I wish you ALL a nice evening
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 19:07
As for mind over matter, would you think it possible to have an ECS without any pain relief and not scream the house down? just a question. ECS? A elective c-section? Come off it! lol I want anaesthetics at the sight of a scalpel! I think I posted at the beginning saying that the pain in childbirth is different to a trauma kind of pain. Nothing's broken or being cut (during contractions!) and so the pain is muscular - "just" muscles working... the only thing is, it's actually the most powerful muscle in your body working bloomin' hard! As daft as it may sound, there are only a couple of things differentiating it from the extreme muscle burn that you may feel at the gym if you're really pushed yourself - they're not minor things, by any means, but are enough to disconcert. Firstly, there's the fact that it's inside your abdomen and it's difficult to pinpoint, so it can feel like the whole of your insides are hurting, which can be scary and daunting. Secondly, there's the pressure: something the size of a baby being pushed around (and out) will put strain on other parts of your body - some have a painful back labour, others don't, some feel like they're going to push their innards out (me!), some don't... Then comes the pushing, which, I'm sorry, there's no way that's not going to be uncomfortable. Pushing for me was ok, even counting the 2 steps forward, 1 step back feeling, but the crowning is the only part I'd say was painful, as in trauma pain. BUT once bubs is out, the pain is over because you just, er, ping back to more or less the size you should be. All that is if you're all set and bubs is in an ideal position. I think, had bubs been back-to-back or breach, I would have never attempted a home-birth and would have asked for an epidural quite early on... probably. The meds are there if you need them
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 18:31
I read all the natural birthing books and convinced myself my birth would be wonderful. Drug-free, pain-manageable, enjoyable... hmmm. I had a medicalised birth from the start with a horrendous ending, and I think having convinced myself it would be all candles and Kumbayah beforehand only made it worse. If I wasn't so terrified of my doula (I know she's going to read this :D) I'd be having a C-section next time round. I don't doubt for a second that mental attitude has a great deal to do with how your birth goes, to a certain point. But sometimes no matter how mentally prepared and positive you are, it doesn't go to plan. Read all the books you want and take them on board, but be prepared for anything to happen - that's probably the best plan!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 18:25
HK, thankyou, yes good to be able to throw everything out there and have a sensible discussion it can only help evryone out there to know what a minefield child birth is!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL As for mind over matter, would you think it possible to have an ECS without any pain relief and not scream the house down? just a question.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 18:13
Have to say i'm on the JJ's side of the fence here. HK, if you had great births that's all well and good but i've known plenty of people that have thought they would too and ended up having terrible experiences. It is not simply mind over matter though i'm sure positive attidude does help. If it was all about positive thinking, there would be no need any medicalisation at all. I stand by observation that a good birth can happen on your kitchen floor but a bad birth needs to be somewhere with drugs and specialist equiptment. After 2 crappy births if i EVER get pregnant again, i'm going the hospital route. Towards the end of my last pregnancy i began to yearn for a natural birth but the dr advised me against it/ argued for an immediate c - section. Thank god as my placenta failed that day and the cord was so tight around his neck that he would never have survived birth anyway. I do disagee with the over medicalisation but it can be a very good thing too.... Absolutely... I'd be the first one to laugh at the loon who claims that mind over matter can cheat death, dispense with medical back-up or could somehow overcome the many potential complications of childbirth. This thread was never about that though. It was about preparing for childbirth in a positive way, and if a book is going to inspire anyone, then let them read it. Heck, I know of a couple of books written by men a couple of thousand years ago that still inspire people to have a positive outlook on life... ;) ---- JJ, just seen your sweet post. A bit of sparring is inevitable on such a personal and emotive subject. The goal of childbirth is to give birth to a healthy baby and it's a wonder of our age that we can do that by so many different means - as I said right at the start, there is no competition, no medals, no losers or failures. We are sometimes our own worst enemies. <em>edited by Hello.Kitty on 16/01/2011</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 18:11
Just to say i respect HK hugely but was just taking this to another level, bigger picture, maybe that was not needed but do feel for those women who tried to go down the natural painfree route and are possibly made to feel guilty by not achieving it, bit like the whole breast feeding thing really. That's the wonderful thing about mammals ,all so different even when all doing the same thing.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 17:50
Have to say i'm on the JJ's side of the fence here. HK, if you had great births that's all well and good but i've known plenty of people that have thought they would too and ended up having terrible experiences. It is not simply mind over matter though i'm sure positive attidude does help. If it was all about positive thinking, there would be no need any medicalisation at all. I stand by observation that a good birth can happen on your kitchen floor but a bad birth needs to be somewhere with drugs and specialist equiptment. After 2 crappy births if i EVER get pregnant again, i'm going the hospital route. Towards the end of my last pregnancy i began to yearn for a natural birth but the dr advised me against it/ argued for an immediate c - section. Thank god as my placenta failed that day and the cord was so tight around his neck that he would never have survived birth anyway. I do disagee with the over medicalisation but it can be a very good thing too....
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 17:41
Quotey thing well, in light of my own personal experience, I think that statement was actually quite correct. It was also correctly mitigated by "has a lot to do with" rather than a sweeping statement such as "if you go in with a positive mind, you won't need drugs", which even for me, would be quite wrong. Funnily enough, all of us here who've related our positive experiences have been careful to mitigate, saying that everyone is different and that anything's possible. It's only those who propagate the pain-filled scenario that seem closed to anything else. Rather ambiguous HK re the mitigate statements. Still missing a point that if books and mind over matter were the be all and end all there would be zero need for intervention or any death rate during child birth, proving the point that every delivery is different. It has nothing with propagating anything and it is exactly that narrow mindedness i am commenting on, rather the bigger picture is more than the odd post on a forum by individuals and their own experiences. Where have i mentioned mine? Umm don't think i have, what i have said is that i feel the support of a professional can be invaluable if the OP has concerns, i hope she seeks that rather than relying on a book or a forum full of women telling her that it's or could be a question of mind over matter, or rather pain in this case. We could also argue that it's only those who have had positive experiences who have closed their minds to the fact not every woman has one!!!!! But that would be getting petty wouldn't it? LOL
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 17:25
Quotey thing well, in light of my own personal experience, I think that statement was actually quite correct. It was also correctly mitigated by "has a lot to do with" rather than a sweeping statement such as "if you go in with a positive mind, you won't need drugs", which even for me, would be quite wrong. Funnily enough, all of us here who've related our positive experiences have been careful to mitigate, saying that everyone is different and that anything's possible. It's only those who propagate the pain-filled scenario that seem closed to anything else.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 16:59
How rude HK, bad me for disagreeing. Indeed, don't you think it's a bit rude to tell people who happen to have had good birth experiences that they're talking a load of... what was it? "Clap trap"... God forbid that anyone who did have a good time of it should want to share what they thought made a difference... far better to wallow in stereotypes. Quotey thing [color=#330033'>A postive, wonderful and enjoyment filled drug free birth experience has a lot to do with where your mind is at with regard to child birth.[/color'> The statement is what i retorted to not the person , sorry but i think this is quite a sweeping generalization and just not true in so many cases. We have all known mums to be go in positive and very prepared with birth plans etc and have dreadful experiences, great experiences and then mums to be who have been worried sick and popped bub out like a pea and wondered why they were so worried and then those who were worried and had a disaster. To correlate where your mind is over what will actually happen is quite a feat. Giving birth no matter how many times you do it is subject to the individual case, if it wasn't and we could all shed um like peas there would be no need to have surgical teams on standby and drugs available. And death rates during child birth would be zilch. You can read as many books as you like, i don't think that is a bad idea but i hope no one believes that a book is the be all and end all and by reading one it can determine how you deliver. As stated i feel a good midwife or Doula is of far more benefit for any worried or concerend expectant mother, sorry so many disagree with that.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 16:48
How rude HK, bad me for disagreeing. Indeed, don't you think it's a bit rude to tell people who happen to have had good birth experiences that they're talking a load of... what was it? "Clap trap"... God forbid that anyone who did have a good time of it should want to share what they thought made a difference... far better to wallow in stereotypes.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 14:58
... Greenish number 3 is normally far easier to pop out than number one in most cases! Where did I say I was talking about number 3 JJ? Bah...wrote a long reply and deleted it.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 14:41
Ladies, At first thank you for ALL your replies whether they are against or for my idea of looking for this book!! I was looking for it because, here in Dubai, there apparently is no Lamaze childbirth classes A friend of mine had previously delivered by this method and she was happy with it So I just decided to give it a try Yes, reading a book about delivery written by a man could seem strange but in my country, this man was a kind of pioneer as a gynecologist for having introduced a new way of perceiving the delivery It's a long story but if you just feel to have a look then there is http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/actualites/celebrations2002/lamaze.htm and or http://www.lamaze.org/WhoWeAre/History/tabid/104/Default.aspx I don't say it's a TOTALLY pain free method It's just intend to ease the management of the pain during the labor As others deliver with epidural or and episiotomie or and laughing gas or and c section or and in the bathtub I had some of these things for my first delivery and it was so painful I was screaming to the doctors, midwives, nurses, to let me die I was just lost and knew nothing of how I could cope with it After all I just want to deliver my twins healthily As I have no human being in front of me to help me to relax I have to reassure me all by myself As for the doulas midwives, yes I think it's a pretty good idea but, it's expensive We're not machines but human beings Have a nice week :):) Baklavas, all the very best :) I had a drug free family birth with fantastic doula next to me. It was money very well spent. I was very positive about the whole experience, but did not anticipate what is coming ;) Will spare the details - I kept an open mind, begged for drugs towards the end, but it was too late. DD came out perfect, but post-partum was not easy... Anyways, as for a man writing about birth - Dr. Newmann is also a man and he is great advocate of breastfeeding. His support and advise worked wonders for me.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 13:36
A postive, wonderful and enjoyment filled drug free birth experience has a lot to do with where your mind is at with regard to child birth. Oh please, what clap trap. Now now JJ...she didn't say mindset is the only contributing factor. Three births later I can say that for me, state of mind made immeasurable difference. Greenish number 3 is normally far easier to pop out than number one in most cases!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 13:35
How rude HK, bad me for disagreeing that it's a mind over matter business when going into deliver, wouldn;t that just be great if the human body worked like that! Good luck to the OP i'm sure you will be just fine, spend the money on a good support system.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 13:03
A postive, wonderful and enjoyment filled drug free birth experience has a lot to do with where your mind is at with regard to child birth. Oh please, what clap trap. Now now JJ...she didn't say mindset is the only contributing factor. Three births later I can say that for me, state of mind made immeasurable difference. Same here... 2 births later. JJ, you've said your bit. If you don't believe what we're saying then leave it at that. You're not adding anything constructive to this thread. <em>edited by Hello.Kitty on 16/01/2011</em>
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 12:46
If you do want to consider a doula, I'm pretty sure there are some new trainees who will be a less expensive option. I know a lady who can point you in the right direction but she's not back till Monday - I'll tell her about this thread when she gets back.
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Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 12:42
A postive, wonderful and enjoyment filled drug free birth experience has a lot to do with where your mind is at with regard to child birth. Oh please, what clap trap. Now now JJ...she didn't say mindset is the only contributing factor. Three births later I can say that for me, state of mind made immeasurable difference.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 12:38
A postive, wonderful and enjoyment filled drug free birth experience has a lot to do with where your mind is at with regard to child birth. Oh please, what clap trap.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 09:31
there's also the hypnobirthing website following I think the Mongan Method... I think. I just found it helpful to find something that makes sense to you - just a way of explaining it to yourself. You're the only one that counts in all this. By all means, listen to other people's [positive'> birth experiences, but yours will be different, and unique to you. There's no "going to plan" or "not going to plan" because there is no plan - or rather, the only real plan is to get the baby out safely! The Hypnobirthing book was all about referring to the contractions as waves or something else, which I found a bit daft - I actually found it more helpful to call them "contractions" because that helped me visualise what my body was trying to do, so every time one came along, I'd visualise it and kind of talk myself through it (in my head!), so stuff like "OK, let's open up that cervix a bit more" or "aaaand, contract from the top down like a jelly fish! We're squeezing him out!"". Sounds terribly daft when you tell other people about it, but it helped divert my attention, focussed my mind on the task in hand and well, must have kind of helped, cos I got to fully dilated whilst still chatting and laughing to the midwife. She was quite taken aback when she checked!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 09:14
A postive, wonderful and enjoyment filled drug free birth experience has a lot to do with where your mind is at with regard to child birth. OP - get what books you can to help get you in the right place and see if you can get hold of the video "Birth As We Know it" as it looks at birth in a whole new light and discuss the "orgasmic" side of it that Hello.Kitty spoke about. Best of luck!! I hope you have a fantastic birth experience!
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 16 January 2011 - 00:38
I can't help with your request I'm afraid but I'm happy to lend you 'Stand & Deliver' by Emma Mahony - I thought it was brilliant! I can't imagine anyone advocating a drug free birth for the sake of it. The point is that taking drugs can inhibit some of the bodies natural responses which makes other (possibly painful and/or traumatic) interventions far more likely. I'm sure you'll find that things are more manageable second (and third!) time around.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 22:30
Ladies, At first thank you for ALL your replies whether they are against or for my idea of looking for this book!! I was looking for it because, here in Dubai, there apparently is no Lamaze childbirth classes A friend of mine had previously delivered by this method and she was happy with it So I just decided to give it a try Yes, reading a book about delivery written by a man could seem strange but in my country, this man was a kind of pioneer as a gynecologist for having introduced a new way of perceiving the delivery It's a long story but if you just feel to have a look then there is http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/actualites/celebrations2002/lamaze.htm and or http://www.lamaze.org/WhoWeAre/History/tabid/104/Default.aspx I don't say it's a TOTALLY pain free method It's just intend to ease the management of the pain during the labor As others deliver with epidural or and episiotomie or and laughing gas or and c section or and in the bathtub I had some of these things for my first delivery and it was so painful I was screaming to the doctors, midwives, nurses, to let me die I was just lost and knew nothing of how I could cope with it After all I just want to deliver my twins healthily As I have no human being in front of me to help me to relax I have to reassure me all by myself As for the doulas midwives, yes I think it's a pretty good idea but, it's expensive We're not machines but human beings Have a nice week :):)
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 09:10
This takes me back to the NCT and the sandal clad pain free women who lecture you on the wonders of child birth!!!!!!! What everyone forgets is women are on the whole designed to have babies and most can pop a baby out with minimal pain and techniques such as breathing can help with that. Then there are women (like moi) who can not and no amount of breathing, yoga, lighting smelly candles, books or anything else would budge a baby out of my body without medical intervention and everything they have in the drugs cupboard!!!!!!!!! LOL
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 15 January 2011 - 09:08
I had my first DD with an epidural and my second DD without. I wanted one for my second but there was no time. Having experienced both, I'd say it was horribly painful without an epidural but so much easier to get over. If I had a third child, I don't think I'd have an epidural. My second DD was born very quickly but I will not forget what a horrible experience it was, how I screamed and cried, soaking wet from sweat, and threw up on myself on the last push. With my first, I just lay there happily but it took much longer and I could not move for hours afterwards.
 
 

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