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Buying Property in Dubai or Overseas

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 15:06

Hi Ladies,

I know this can be quite a controversial topic here as there are many strong opinions to support both arguments, but I have recently managed to get together a deposit, and was considering my options, I would appreciate any feedback you may have about this topic and my points

1. Buying an apartment in dubai, a studio/1bed outright, no mortgage
2. Buying a villa in Dubai to live in with mortgage
3. Buying a 2 bed apartment to rent out with mortgage
4. Getting a mortgage from here to buy a property in the UK or USA (baring in mind I don't know much about the property markets there but am willing to learn, have seen there are some real bargains in the UK and US atm)

Do any of you own a property here, and if so how is it dealing with the banks in terms of mortgages? Also what's it like finding tenants?

Any advice and guidance would be much appreciated. TIA

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EW GURU
Latest post on 20 April 2011 - 08:54
Buying real estate as an investment is a minefield and you must be very, very careful about what and where you buy. You can't just buy a random apartment or house in a random location and expect to start reaping lots of profit. We've bought several investment properties in the US in the past two years but we were very careful about where we bought the properties. They are in well-established and popular neighborhoods in excellent school districts. The demographics of the neighborhoods is highly educated and moderately affluent, and our houses are ideal for young families or couples starting out, and we have the bonus of being near a major university which means there's a regular supply of graduate students and post-doctoral fellows with young families looking for safe neighborhoods and good schools. The demographics of the people likely to rent our houses are people who are educated and well-behaved, which means they are more likely to take good care of the property and be quick to notify us of any maintenance issues. We also bought an older house that's divided into apartments in a student neighborhood. This is a bit more of a gamble as the wear and tear will be much higher but the tradeoff is that we get more rent from a group of students than from a single tenant or a couple. Finally, we're committed to this for the long run. So far the rents cover the mortgages, taxes and the maintenance expenses. There's nothing left over but our plan is that in about twenty years the mortgages will be paid off and we'll have the whole value of the houses just for what we paid in in the down payment, plus any appreciation (despite the current price declines, in twenty years house values will be much higher if simply because of inflation). I would steer clear from cheaper rental properties because you're much more likely to get nightmare tenants, and condos as their monthly maintenance charges tend to be quite high.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 20 April 2011 - 07:08
buying property is a good investment. You need to evaluate which country will be the best investment for YOU. Everyone's needs are different, and it is not guaranteed that buying a property in a "mature" market will be safer than buying here (just take a look at the prices in the USA and you'll know what I mean).
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 20:23
A friend in the UK has properties overseas, she investigated buying in Dubai in 2004, and her financial advisor said No, so she bought elsewhere. She know nows why!!!! Buying here doesnt give you the right to stay, and if everything goes pearshaped, you will have to pay the mortgage off before leaving or face prison. I would rather rent. edited by salsB on 19/04/2011 If I were your friend I would have eaten the financial advisor for breakfast - if she had bought in 2004 and sold before the crash she would have cleaned up - that's when so many made so much money buying and flipping..... bad advice..... I don't think it's bad advice. Many people who bought in 2004 etc kept on buying and flipping well into 2008 and ended up in negative equity. People got greedy. Only some made money Well I would have been well peed off if someone has told me in 2004 not to buy - I know many many people who made very very good money but they were not greedy. We were going to buy but I just could not see how the market could sustain the ever increasing prices - we decided not to and within 4 months of that decision the crash hit - we were so glad not to have bought - it was complete and utter madness and people were really taken in by the hype. If I'd been here in 2004 I would most definitely have bought and would be sitting on a very nice nest egg now. hey ho - lifes a gamble!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 20:04
OK, So the resounding message is no to Dubai, have any of you had any experience buying in the UK or USA and if so where would you recommend starting my search? TIA
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 19:58
A friend in the UK has properties overseas, she investigated buying in Dubai in 2004, and her financial advisor said No, so she bought elsewhere. She know nows why!!!! Buying here doesnt give you the right to stay, and if everything goes pearshaped, you will have to pay the mortgage off before leaving or face prison. I would rather rent. edited by salsB on 19/04/2011 If I were your friend I would have eaten the financial advisor for breakfast - if she had bought in 2004 and sold before the crash she would have cleaned up - that's when so many made so much money buying and flipping..... bad advice..... I don't think it's bad advice. Many people who bought in 2004 etc kept on buying and flipping well into 2008 and ended up in negative equity. People got greedy. Only some made money
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 19:44
A friend in the UK has properties overseas, she investigated buying in Dubai in 2004, and her financial advisor said No, so she bought elsewhere. She know nows why!!!! Buying here doesnt give you the right to stay, and if everything goes pearshaped, you will have to pay the mortgage off before leaving or face prison. I would rather rent. edited by salsB on 19/04/2011 If I were your friend I would have eaten the financial advisor for breakfast - if she had bought in 2004 and sold before the crash she would have cleaned up - that's when so many made so much money buying and flipping..... bad advice.....
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 19:43
There is too much risk associated with buying in this market. Trust me. Every second person I know that tested the market has lost money. The quality is bad, the fees are high. You have got to look at the fees ABC. That alone can put you in the red
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 19:40
I dunnow, Swiss Girl, if your mortgage repayments are the same as or less than what you would be paying annually for rent over the period you intend to stay in Dubai, maybe it is worth the investment?
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EW GURU
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 19:39
Definitely not Dubai, as well as the poor build quality and the cloudy ever-changing rules, if for some reason you can't afford your mortgage payments (even though you may hold a stable job, no-one knows what the future can bring), the consequences are far more severe than in other countries.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 19:35
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Do not buy in Dubai. There is another market downslide on the way. Please, I beg you, you will regret it. Buy in a mature market.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 19:31
I'll solve your extra cash issues... Want to buy a house in Aberdeenshire? ;-)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 17:51
We have bought 3 properties in Dubai, 2 at palm jumeirah and 1 in Emirates Hills, thanks to our agent in Dubai even the values have gone down over 50% since the peak but so far our property values are almost double the value 7 whenever we sell we will get decent return on our money, even though the return could have been far better if we sold it earlier. So it depends on the agent too, sometimes they are greedy just to get their comission and sometimes they advise really ethically.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 17:35
A friend in the UK has properties overseas, she investigated buying in Dubai in 2004, and her financial advisor said No, so she bought elsewhere. She know nows why!!!! Buying here doesnt give you the right to stay, and if everything goes pearshaped, you will have to pay the mortgage off before leaving or face prison. I would rather rent. <em>edited by salsB on 19/04/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:53
They bought a villa as an investment while they were renting a bigger villa in a nicer area (they were making serious money) but the villa they bought reduced its value a lot and they had to move into the villa they bought as it was crazy to be paying a mortgage for a higher value plus rent. They are a family of 5 so the villa they bought is small for them, but they cannot really do anything else at the moment. Now they are losing money with the mortgage! I see. But to be honest, the prices at the peak and before the crash were rediculously high, and I remember thinking, they were dangerously high, but at the moment there are a few properties on the market for sale that aren't too high and will still get a decent rental yeild IF you get tenants... decisions decisions... <em>edited by Ashleigh on 19/04/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:51
If they bought before the crash I would imagine they could well be in negative equity now. Not a great state to be in here. Ah yes, of course sorry, I had read before the peak rather than crash as the people I'm talking about had bought before the peak and are doing really well now. In saying that I have a friend who bough at the peak, and is now struggling after teh crash, so it works both ways I suppose.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:51
They bought a villa as an investment while they were renting a bigger villa in a nicer area (they were making serious money) but the villa they bought reduced its value a lot and they had to move into the villa they bought as it was crazy to be paying a mortgage for a higher value plus rent. They are a family of 5 so the villa they bought is small for them, but they cannot really do anything else at the moment. Now they are losing money with the mortgage!
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:49
If they bought before the crash I would imagine they could well be in negative equity now. Not a great state to be in here.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:45
We own a flat in Scotland, in the city of Glasgow, and the return of investment is quite good. Nothing similar to near London, of course, but the flat was very cheap. I have friends here that bought villas in Dubai before the crash and they have regretted so much. But obviously everyone has their own story. We have never considered to buy in the USA as we know nothing about it and seems too far away, but I know that countries in Latin America are cheap and they will get more expensive as their economies are growing (Brazil for example) but we are not so keen as the risk is very high. It is so difficult when you are not there! We are thinking in putting the money away in one of the tax free areas in the UK until we make our minds out. It is sooooo difficult to invest the money now. My husband has been into it for the last 3 months and he is so unsure. It is really hard, and at times I feel really confident and just want to take the plunge, and at other times, I'm freaking out and think its better to keep the money in the bank! If you don't mind me asking, your friends who bought before the peak, what are their main regrets now?
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:40
We own a flat in Scotland, in the city of Glasgow, and the return of investment is quite good. Nothing similar to near London, of course, but the flat was very cheap. I have friends here that bought villas in Dubai before the crash and they have regretted so much. But obviously everyone has their own story. We have never considered to buy in the USA as we know nothing about it and seems too far away, but I know that countries in Latin America are cheap and they will get more expensive as their economies are growing (Brazil for example) but we are not so keen as the risk is very high. It is so difficult when you are not there! We are thinking in putting the money away in one of the tax free areas in the UK until we make our minds out. It is sooooo difficult to invest the money now. My husband has been into it for the last 3 months and he is so unsure.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:31
Hi Nimonemo, I'm from Australia, and the prices and the interest rates are so high there at the moment, I just don't think it's sensible for me to buy there. I have lived here for a while, and plan on staying, but although I look around me and see quite a few empty properties, I also see that many properties are well priced at the moment, and to me anyway it seems dubai is picking up. The downside is, there are so many residential units about to come on the market, and the fact that banks here have a bad rap. In saying that, I have friends who bought here before the peak for similar prices to those advertised now, and have managed to make a bit of money out of it either through selling (granted at the peak) or by renting it out, even today, so it kind of looks good to me from that point of view. Regarding The UK: The interest rates are good there at the moment, and the pound is a bit weaker, meaning my oz deposit would be quite good for the pound, and I could get a mortgage from say, lloyds from here to buy in the UK. And the UK will inevitably go up (my opinion of course) as it has more population than accommodation available. I am considering buying a townhouse in Heartfordshire as a friend of mine is from there and has said it would be a good place to buy, but of course I've still got a lot of research to do... (any suggestions on areas to research are welcome) Regarding the USA: In certain areas prices there are really cheap. I kind of have some very limited and basic knowledge of Florida, and have seen some houses/apartments priced as low as 20k up to 150k for some good properties, so for not too much outlay you could get a property there. The only things I don't know about is what to expect with all this recession, and buying a foreclosed home, what costs are involved (I read or heard somewhere that when you buy a home in the US you get the land taxes etc with the property, so if there's outstanding taxes they become your problem). I think the USA will pick up again, so since I have the money available, it may be a good investment, but again I don't really know exactly where to start so would need to look into it more. I have this money, and I want to use it wisely, so I'm just looking into what my options are and where my money would be best spend... its tough though, so any advice, pointers would be appreciated for sure!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 16:10
Why do you want to buy in a place that you don´t know? (Just curious) I am very interested in your topic as I might be doing something similar... And I have the same problems. I am from Spain and I am waiting for the prices to go down there. Crisis has been for a while now but only areas that are not very good have decreased their value; Madrid, Barcelona and nice places by the Mediterranean are still incredibly overpriced. But everybody is waiting for the big crush. Here in Dubai as we are considering staying in the long term (10 years) to buy a Villa will save us the rent (we will be paying a mortgage though) but my husband is not so keen for the reasons stated by Ashleigh. As per the UK we already own a flat there (not in London) so we would like to diversify our options. But what it is true is that in the UK you get more for your money, specially if you rent the property. I mean, flats are not very expensive and everybody rents. In Spain, for example, flat are super expensive and nobody rents.... I would be interested in reading other opinions... Thanks for sharing!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 15:27
there's a huge oversupply of accommodation here - just looking out the window here in the Marina, I can see several hundred units that will come on the market in the next year, adding to that oversupply. Add to that the dubious build-quality and the property laws here that are in their infancy, I would steer clear of Dubai. Hi, Thanks for your response H.A.K, that's kind of my reservation, but at the same time I have friends looking to rent, and they're finding it hard to get anything to rent in their budget, but at the same time I've had a look at the sale prices and they're not too high... Would love to buy in the UK, especially near london, but wouldn't have a clue which areas were good to look in :(
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 19 April 2011 - 15:15
there's a huge oversupply of accommodation here - just looking out the window here in the Marina, I can see several hundred units that will come on the market in the next year, adding to that oversupply. Add to that the dubious build-quality and the property laws here that are in their infancy, I would steer clear of Dubai.
 
 

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