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Urgent - Question on RERA and LL selling property

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 12:25

Ok so this i sstressing me out.. our LL wants to sell the house, he doesnt need to sell the house, but would like too.. he is avery rich guy, and very very nice.. the prespective buyer, is now getting on our nerves... here is our story.. we rented the house in August, the LL found a buyer who is soo keen to buy and move in to the house. the LL told us, the law is on your side , I cant make u leave, but I would liek to sell.. but again law in your side.. in the mean time, the prespective owner, send me text messages, send emails, and now he has assigned us with an agent to find us a new house.. no infact, he even just sent me an email (ccing the agent) asking her to send me pictures of prespective homes that we can move too ( is this rude or am I just going nuts).. all this, while we have tolld the owner and the preseptive buyer that we dont know YET if we want to stay or leave and we have per the contract till May..we have till May to decide...also, he and the owner had singed a letter that says "if we leave then the owner can only sell the house to him only and in return he will move us and pay the relator' but DUDE WE HAVENOT MADE UP OUR DECSSION YET.... but I am in a complete stress.. I dont know whats right and whats wrong... all what I know is that its our right to stay... I heard we can stay for up to 3 years.. the stress is really stopping me from sleeping at night...

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 19 April 2012 - 11:07
I would add to bmap's info that it often doesn't drag out. In our case we were in the court room for less than 5 minutes. Straightforward - our ll wanted us out. He needed the house himself, then he was going to sell, then his wife was pregnant - all the tricks. It was the first renewal. He was told in no uncertain terms that he was to renew, we were to be allowed to stay in that property for up to 3 years with no rent increase. They worked out there and then the costs and deducted them from his rent cheque so the 2nd years rent cheque to him was less the court costs and all was sorted out there and then. I think this guy should look to buy another property goodness knows there are plenty for sale. To the op. if you really really love the place then stay - you have every right to but - if everything is being handed to you and paid for I think in this situation I'd take a look at some other properties you may find an absolutely amazing pace in which to enjoy your final year in Dubai.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 18:09
Thanks so much BMAP for your detailed reply- a real help.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 17:44
You should initially go to RERA to ascertain your rights and determine whether you might have a valid case against your LL. RERA is in the Lands Department Building. There are several customer service agents there who will review your lease and advise you verbally. Oh, and yes, take any relevant documentation with you. Once you decide you want to take your case further, you will need to go to the Rent Committee which is a couple of blocks towards the coast in the Municipality Building. In order to be heard by the Rent Committee you will need to have your complaint typed up in Arabic in a format specified by the Rent Committee (they will give you a pro forma in arabic) and attach numerous documents supporting your case including your original lease. Any amendments to your lease that are not typed in Arabic, you will need to pay a legal translator to translate on official letterhead. You will then need to provide the Rent Committee with 4 copies of everything and pay a fee to have your case heard which is proportional to the value of whatever you are claiming. They will then give you a hearing date at which you will need to attend. It is run a bit like a triibunal where you get a chance to articulate your case, the LL his and so it goes (sometimes over several meetings spanning several months) until the Rent Committee representatives make a determination. If you win, a formal judgement has to be written up, you go in to collect it, pay another fee and hopefully on that, the LL is given a date by which he has to refund your money (including all the RC fees) and/or take x,y,z action. If things don't happen by that date, you need to head back to the Eviction Section of the Rent Committee in the Municipal Building with a letter in Arabic explaining what the agreement was and what has or hasn't been actioned. Hope this gives you a decent feel for the process. <em>edited by Buy me a Pony on 18/04/2012</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 16:03
Just a related question. When you are in the early stages of a dispute with a LL, do you go to RERA or the Rent Committee for advice- taking all the correspondence and the contract with you?
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 15:38
Absolutely, do not respond anymore. We went through the same thing last year. He needed the house back as he had nowhere to live, when RERA put him straight he tried the I need to sell, he then finally got the message that he was not going to bully us out. RERA are very helpful and supportive, take all your comms and go talk with them, if nothing else it will stop the upset. Some people sadly think they are so smart, but luckily others are able to see through the smarm.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 15:08
I would stop corresponding with him at all. Send him an email saying you would be only dealing with the owner. That's it, nothing else: don't answer any of his previous questions, don't make any comments. If he ever tries calling you - tell him you would report him. He is not an owner yet so can't just do what he's doing. In the meantime, get the printout of his email, your contract, and go to see RERA. By the way, how did he get hold of your email address and phone number??
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:42
Not joking, with that 2nd email, it's very clear they have read this thread especially if you didn't respond after the first one. Stop freaking out, you know the law is on your side and RERA is really helpful. Been there, done that too and we won.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:42
Sorry, didn't intend to make fun of your situation, OP, (ETA) but as SS123 says, it's patently obvious from that second email that the prospective purchaser has access to EW. I repeat, stop having anything to do with this person who is not yet the owner, and deal only with RERA and the owner on this. The owner obviously knows the law and where you stand and the prospective purchaser comes over as a bully. <em>edited by simpleasabc on 18/04/2012</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:38
He, his wife or someone he knows is reading EW (right about now)! ;) ok guys stop making fun of the situation.. you have another sweet (me) expat lady who is freaking out... and hm.. its ok if they read.. its ok to let people know you are 1- ****** off 2- know your right 3- have people who support 4- other people read the tenancy bible too..
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:34
He, his wife or someone he knows is reading EW (right about now)! ;)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:34
I think you are going to have problems with these people from now on and you are going to come out the loser in the end with all the emotional badgering they going to do. Let them have the place but take them up on the offer to move you at no cost to you and get out. You will only fight this again next year and they may not be willing to let you move on their dime. by next year we will be back home in the States... so we wouldnto have this situation.. Uh huh, well that changes things. If you are absolutely sure you are only going to be here one more year then stay put and fight it, but if you feel there is a chance you might be here longer, I'd move out.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:33
And my reply; Just so you know, I dont appreciate your email at all.. we are areally upset ... also for your info too.. pleaase see this link.. I am not sure what your lawyer have told you, but seriously , the law is clear.. read artcile 25 clause 2.. like you said who wants to go to court??? we dont, but we are also aware of our rights.. you made it in your first email that we are idiots and didnot read... when we infact read, asked, and consulted.... http://thedubailaw.com/uaelaws/2010/12/dubai-law-no-33-of-2008-amending-some-provisions-of-law-no-26-of-2007-regulating-relationship-between-landlords-tenants-in-the-emirate-of-dubai/
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:32
Clearly, Angela is an ExpatWoman :):\:
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:31
and another email; I believe I may have been misunderstood on the meaning of the lines below. It is by no means my intention to even walk the steps of Dubai Courts to pick up the paperwork and of course it is not our intention to evacuate your family! I was only giving you the legal framework behind it because I really feel you need to be aware of it and thats all. I dont have time or mood to go into such territories, rest assured! Neither to you guys that I respect and like very much, nor anybody else! If i have to have to buy the house and have a pregnant wife in a hotel apartment then so be it! I repeat what i told you when we first met that I would never evict a family! We hope we are creating all the conditions for you to be happy to leave on your own accord. That is our intention and nothing more. Fact is that owner wants to sell the house, I want to buy that house and we are going to do everything in our power to make your transition as smooth and relaxed as possible. As i said, lets try to catch up. I would prefer face to face as emails seem to be turning counter-productive I am afraid. You know my number, please give me a call to arrange to meet whenever you feel like it. Hope you had a great vacation!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:29
I think you are going to have problems with these people from now on and you are going to come out the loser in the end with all the emotional badgering they going to do. Let them have the place but take them up on the offer to move you at no cost to you and get out. You will only fight this again next year and they may not be willing to let you move on their dime. On the other hand, they clearly want to move in immediately and probably won't buy it if they can't get rid of the OP now.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:28
I think you are going to have problems with these people from now on and you are going to come out the loser in the end with all the emotional badgering they going to do. Let them have the place but take them up on the offer to move you at no cost to you and get out. You will only fight this again next year and they may not be willing to let you move on their dime. by next year we will be back home in the States... so we wouldnto have this situation..
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:25
I think you are going to have problems with these people from now on and you are going to come out the loser in the end with all the emotional badgering they going to do. Let them have the place but take them up on the offer to move you at no cost to you and get out. You will only fight this again next year and they may not be willing to let you move on their dime.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:17
I would just simply tell both parties that you were consulting with RERA! Cheeky people and so silly of them to put in writing ...... the cheek of some
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:12
Sorry I misunderstood earlier. What the....? In response to that email from him!! Do as simples says....He's cheeky!!!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:07
Right then, I went through this recently and spent a great deal of time talking to RERA and the agent and the LL. So, here goes. If the LL wishes to sell the property he must first offer the sale of the property to you first. Then should you decline he can then advertise and sell the property. However, the LL has to give you 12 months written notoce by public notary should he wish to sell. If he does this and you have signed another contract then the new LL must keep you on as a sitting tennant. If he wishes to evict you, again he has to give you 2 months notice BUT this only counts if he needs to repair any structural damage to the property. IF he wants to move in himself or sell the proprty he has to give you 12 months written notice. Basically, he can not do what he is doing now. I would suggest that you ask him to seek advise from RERA and come back to you with another plan. Our LL sold his apartment but he never offered the sale to us. We were only informed about the sale by a text message/phone call, and then sent a paper with the new LL's details. We were only advised that the apartment would be sold with the tenancy agreement and it would not affect us. JC11 - are you sure there is this regulation about 12months notice if you want to sell? Don't think they would do this in Dubai..but you never know!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 14:02
Take a copy of that email to RERA, along with a copy of your current contract, NOW :) From my understanding, he has no right to do this to you under the law and is trying to pressure you to leave with no justification since he doesn't own the property. As that is the case, I would tell him you will only discuss your position with the present owner with whom you have a contract, whether you renew or not is none of his business. Tell him to stop pestering you this way or you will call the police for harrassment.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 13:53
Right then, I went through this recently and spent a great deal of time talking to RERA and the agent and the LL. So, here goes. If the LL wishes to sell the property he must first offer the sale of the property to you first. Then should you decline he can then advertise and sell the property. However, the LL has to give you 12 months written notoce by public notary should he wish to sell. If he does this and you have signed another contract then the new LL must keep you on as a sitting tennant. If he wishes to evict you, again he has to give you 2 months notice BUT this only counts if he needs to repair any structural damage to the property. IF he wants to move in himself or sell the proprty he has to give you 12 months written notice. Basically, he can not do what he is doing now. I would suggest that you ask him to seek advise from RERA and come back to you with another plan. I just received this email from him; Take your time, of course we are amenable to your schedule and I know you have lots of decisions to make this coming month. I have been in your shoes and i fully sympathize. I will ask realtor to hold until after mid May for viewings. I am not sure I understand what decision you need to make by mid May and nobody asked you to vacate before mid Aug. I agreed to give you plenty of time to make a decision on what to do with your future plans etc. but a decision to renew the contract beyond the 17th of Aug for another year or two would lie only with owner, not us, and its not on the table any longer since we have agreed with owner to transfer the villa to us effective as of end of May or as soon as the paperwork is done. And as you know we need the villa for own use, we are not malicious. Both owner and ourselves had to make a binding commitment - that includes both of us signing a contractually binding Sale Purchase Agreement and me assigning a cheque of $$$ AED to the property! Plus we are coming to terms with owner undertaking all the Landscaping, Interior Design and Refurbishment of the property after Aug. owner had another offer on the table and I had to go to London for two weeks. I am afraid your 17th May deadline was not possible for us to wait that long for all these reasons. I asked to meet with you before we put our signatures, just out of courtesy to you to tell you the news face to face, but you were about to go to Thailand. In any case, nothing has changed regarding our commitment to you from myself and owner and that is to make this transition in Aug as smooth as possible. I have arranged with the Agent to sort out all your agency costs for the new villa at no cost to either party and we have met your request. Emirates Homes tell me there are very nice alternatives for you in Green Community and realtor would be happy to accommodate. I hear also owner is kind enough to help you with your moving using his trucks which is very noble. There is a point which I would like to clarify, with all due respect, and by no means without insinuating anything. But you need to know what is your leverage here as Tenants and there shouldnt be any misintepretation here so that all is fair. As you understand as a Buyer and Owner I have looked into my rights and obligations for a property in Dubai as per the local law with my lawyers. I must amend my will since the Sharia'a law is restrictive. I also asked them about the rights of tenants upon disputes. They reverted to me with the attached feedback. There is a 12 month notice period for the owner to evict tenants BUT there are exclusions that are applicable immediatelly upon the expiration of the tenancy agreement. One such is Clause 1b which also applies but I think the stronger exclusion is the one at Clause 1c, the Owner is excluded from the 12 month notice if he doesnt have an alternative housing to live and this is our case (A's and mine) I am afraid. We are not local owners or regional investors, we are like you western expatriates paying rent to a hotel apartment every month and will continue to do so until we move to 895 Lily Lane on the 18th of Aug. We are planning to have a baby and I would hate for my wife to deliver in a hotel!! If we end up, which i am sure we wont, at Dubai Courts fighting an eviction with you then Dubai Courts will not acknowledge your motion in case you wish to disregard an eviction note after the 18th of Aug. Let alone the monetary and emotional fuss; it is just not worth it. Especially when we are most amenable to make your move as stress-free as possible and without any monetary cost to you as you requested. Emirates Homes never told me that you are considering extending your stay after they asked you for a vacating latter. They just told me - that you are happy to vacate upon expiration but the only thing you needed before you furnish us with a vacating letter is a confirmation that Emirates Homes will pick up the costs of finding you an equally nice property to rent. Which is exactly what they have promised. After all the - necessary I hasten to add - clarifications above, I go back and say, we are all friends here so lets try to meet up for dinner soon and plan everything out... :) Best regards <em>edited by Babysoosoo on 18/04/2012</em>
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 13:42
Tell the prospective buyer you'll move if he finds you a villa identical to the one you're in and at the same rental price and running costs and if he pays for the move himself. Exactly ! and make sure that if you do move, you get the security deposit and paid rent transfered from the current Landlord into an escrow account. <em>edited by derien on 18/04/2012</em>
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 13:24
Tell the prospective buyer you'll move if he finds you a villa identical to the one you're in and at the same rental price and running costs and if he pays for the move himself.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 13:13
Just politely tell them in writing that you appreciate his help, but you will let them know next month what you wish to do. If they want you to leave then they have to give you 12 months notice from the end of your current contract.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 13:00
If you mean May as in next month, I would let them move me and pay the realtor. In a months time you would have to move anyway and pay those costs yourself. That is of course if I am reading this correctly. No my contract end in August and I have 3 month (May) to say if I want to leave or stay... but its only our first year in the house (well not even yet). but the prespective buyer is annoying us with the amout of emails texts etc... I mean he is eeven finding us a relator to work with... we got the house for good price so anything else wll coast more..
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EW GURU
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 12:56
If you mean May as in next month, I would let them move me and pay the realtor. In a months time you would have to move anyway and pay those costs yourself. That is of course if I am reading this correctly.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 18 April 2012 - 12:52
If you do move, make sure you are fully compensated for everything. The LAW is on your side.
 
 

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