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How easy is it to rent furnished villas in Dubai long term?

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EW GURU
Latest post on 03 May 2011 - 09:31
IF you leave on your own account UAE labour law is 1 week for each year worked up to the first three years. It's two weeks for years 4 and 5, and three weeks for all years above five years. If the company terminates you I think they have to pay the three weeks/year for each year of employment. But this is only the minimum requirement. A good negotiator will ensure a better end of service package. Plus if your husband is paid in AUD not AED find out how they will be paying your end of service payment, you get 1 weeks pay for every month worked (correct me if I am wrong) - this is a UAE labour law requirement. You can live on much cheaper but you won't have an equivalent lifestyle to what you have described. Hope this helps.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 03 May 2011 - 09:09
You also have to remember that with the OZ dollar being so strong at the moment your dirhams are not going to go as far back in OZ.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 03 May 2011 - 08:53
You can analyse costs for ever get endless different prices etc, but what I think most posters are saying that for the situation you have portrayed in terms of lifestyle expectations your husband wants to get a package of (or above of course): 50,000 AED pcm Medical insurance for all family covered Schooling costs for each kid (30,000 +) All visa costs covered Return flights for each family member annually to place of origin Minimum of 6 weeks accomodation in serviced apartment Shipping costs of furniture (25,000 +) Repatriation removal costs (25,000 +) + flights Plus if your husband is paid in AUD not AED find out how they will be paying your end of service payment, you get 1 weeks pay for every month worked (correct me if I am wrong) - this is a UAE labour law requirement. You can live on much cheaper but you won't have an equivalent lifestyle to what you have described. Hope this helps.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 03 May 2011 - 08:36
Oh, OK ...
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EW GURU
Latest post on 03 May 2011 - 08:16
No, that's not my actual rental allowance. That's what I think I need. I have not included [i'>any [/i'>of their allowances in that spreadsheet. The spreadsheet depicts the [i'>estimated true value[/i'> of those costs in Duabi. Their rental allowance is substantially less than the one identified in the spreadsheet.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 03 May 2011 - 07:24
As I said on the other thread, they need to include medical for all family if they are "looking after you"! I can see what your rental allowance is now by your cost sheet. You can get what you need for that amount but as others have said, not furnished as you see very little in that market. There are various furniture rental companies eg http://www.completelyfurniture.com/dubai/. Prob cheaper to buy Ikea.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 03 May 2011 - 05:16
Agree, Guinness. We will probably ask for a bit of fat to built in to cover the things that are not immediately apparent. DH had a good job, didn't have to come. They asked him to apply for this one, gave it to him and said not to worry about the package because they "would look after us". Someone else has now been recruited into his old job, so there is no going back to that. Maybe it's timely to put a link in to the costs that have already been identified as needing to be met to get someone to Dubai and live in Dubai on an ongoing basis. I would be grateful if you do do a "sanity check" and have any comments to drop back and make a quick note in the costings thread here: http://www.expatwoman.com/forum/addpost.aspx?TopicID=135373 Hopefully the above list will help some other newbies along the way...
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 22:09
Just be aware, you can excel spreadsheet all you like, but Dubai has a lot of hidden expenses you wouldn't necessarily expect. Don't plan, for example, to spend the same amount on food shopping here that you do at home - it's much more expensive if you like to eat certain brands or certain types of food. SO true!
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 20:37
Just be aware, you can excel spreadsheet all you like, but Dubai has a lot of hidden expenses you wouldn't necessarily expect. Don't plan, for example, to spend the same amount on food shopping here that you do at home - it's much more expensive if you like to eat certain brands or certain types of food.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 20:16
I had meant Emirates Living, not specifically the hills. But still, we probably both agree that 600k is the absolute minimum one needs for a family in Dubai to have a comfortable lifestyle. Less than that you're going to have to cut corners and compromise, and that's where you start questioning the value of the package and the merits of moving overseas. That really depends on an individuals situation, for eg if BMAP DH is out of work, then it would be worth coming here and living a bit more modestly in order to get into work, if the sole reason is to come out here and save more money whilst living a privileged lifestyle (best schools, very nice house, etc etc) then yes, 500'000-600'000AED is what you'd need to be looking at.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 18:55
I had meant Emirates Living, not specifically the hills. But still, we probably both agree that 600k is the absolute minimum one needs for a family in Dubai to have a comfortable lifestyle. Less than that you're going to have to cut corners and compromise, and that's where you start questioning the value of the package and the merits of moving overseas. For a western expat family with two children to have a comfortable existence in Dubai, a villa in Emirates Hills, Ranches or Umm Sequim/Jumeirah, you should have an overall package value of at least 600,000 AED a year, or 50,000 AED a month (not including any taxes you may need to pay in Australia). This should include the rent, transportation allowance, school fees and flight tickets home. On top of this add a one-time relocation expense of 50,000 AED. If your calculations can't come up to this, it's not worth it. edited by Tallybalt on 01/05/2011 School Fees x2= 80k-90k+ per year Rent: 200-250k you can find a nice 4/5 bedroom Phone Bills: 12'000-15'000 per year Electricity: 24'000 per year Housing fee: 10'000-12'500 per year Tickets: 34'000 per year economy for four So a total of 425'500 at the top end without your basic expenses (food, clothes, car etc) And then there is a once off payment of around 30'000-50'000 for relocation At 600'000 per year I don't think you'd be able to get an emirates hills house, since the absolute cheapest is like 450'000 per year. If you want to come out here and live more modestly, you can cut down on your rent by living in an area such as midriff where you can get a 4/5 bedroom for 120-150k without negotiating the price.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 18:17
For a western expat family with two children to have a comfortable existence in Dubai, a villa in Emirates Hills, Ranches or Umm Sequim/Jumeirah, you should have an overall package value of at least 600,000 AED a year, or 50,000 AED a month (not including any taxes you may need to pay in Australia). This should include the rent, transportation allowance, school fees and flight tickets home. On top of this add a one-time relocation expense of 50,000 AED. If your calculations can't come up to this, it's not worth it. edited by Tallybalt on 01/05/2011 School Fees x2= 80k-90k+ per year Rent: 200-250k you can find a nice 4/5 bedroom Phone Bills: 12'000-15'000 per year Electricity: 24'000 per year Housing fee: 10'000-12'500 per year Tickets: 34'000 per year economy for four So a total of 425'500 at the top end without your basic expenses (food, clothes, car etc) And then there is a once off payment of around 30'000-50'000 for relocation At 600'000 per year I don't think you'd be able to get an emirates hills house, since the absolute cheapest is like 450'000 per year. If you want to come out here and live more modestly, you can cut down on your rent by living in an area such as midriff where you can get a 4/5 bedroom for 120-150k without negotiating the price.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 17:21
Going back to the furniture issue, can I just add that there is a very buoyant second hand furniture market out here through dubizzle - much better quality often and more interesting than going to IKEA. We did rent furnished when we first arrived and the furnishings whilst not to our taste were beautiful, no complaints at all. However, when we had to move 2 years later we had to settle for unfurnished. Because all our furniture was still in the UK we had to go down the second hand market route and it worked out fine. But the costs of this do need to be factored in to your negotiations with your employer.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 16:45
For a western expat family with two children to have a comfortable existence in Dubai, a villa in Emirates Hills, Ranches or Umm Sequim/Jumeirah, you should have an overall package value of at least 600,000 AED a year, or 50,000 AED a month (not including any taxes you may need to pay in Australia). This should include the rent, transportation allowance, school fees and flight tickets home. On top of this add a one-time relocation expense of 50,000 AED. If your calculations can't come up to this, it's not worth it. <em>edited by Tallybalt on 01/05/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 16:14
We have had a similar situation with our UK HR dept regarding allowances etc. Some of the discussions were ridiculous, eg refusing an allowance for home internet/ telephone in case we used it to ring home.......but at the same time insisting we had to have it installed for business needs. Unfortunately, the guys in HR are not always experienced in relocation themselves and have no concept of the amount of upheaval involved. In the end we just made an overall judgement about lifestyle, age, DH career choices, finances etc. and decided to embrace the move and stop worrying about too many details. If it makes you feel any better, I have had to give up my own job to move - no compensation. I have a gorgeous 6 month old sports car, about to be sold at a significant loss - no compensation. We are bringing our dogs who are fully insured in the UK - no insurance in UAE and unknown potential cost. I could carry on but I guess the point I am making is that sometimes life is a risk and we took the decision that overall we were prepared to make some concessions and remain positive that overall it was the right thing for us to do. I hope you can work things out in a way that suits and then you will be able to really look forward to your exciting new life. :)
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EW GURU
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 15:28
Claire and Sanddy, I agree completely. But first I have to prove that we [i'>will [/i'>indeed be out of pocket. Back to Excel I go... I hate this. It is so much "white noise" and defocusing us from what we really should be doing. SouthernStar - yes, DH and I talked about Falcon City etc in the early days. It sounds good to me - a viable way of getting round the problem, but he wants to be really close to work. I think when we get there for our Look-See we need to do a drive to some of the communities he considers "further out" and see how far it really is time-wise. Cornish Pixie (I was hoping you would throw your 2 bob's worth in :)). Yes, I was worried about the quality of the furniture too. I think I've seen one set of photo's for a furnished villa in the last 3 months and it looked like student accommodation. Spongemonkey - I hear what you're saying and no insult taken. I understand the allowances will make up the shortfall between what I might pay for similar expenses when living at home and what I will be charged in Dubai, so no worries there. But (to give you another example) ...example deleted due to personal details... Advice Seeker - no, I've found nothing :-( and I've looked across Dubizzle and 2 other real estate sites. That's when I realised the rental allowance was not going to stretch. BBCB: I think if we cannot find a furnished villa within their allowance budget, we will be bouncing back and arguing we now need our stuff shipped or a furniture allowance. Thanks everyone, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the value of your "sanity checks". I had dreams of eventually meeting you all in person and shouting you a coffee to say thanks, but now I'm really starting to doubt whether I will get there. There's a fair bit of personal info in here, so I think I'll come back and delete some details a bit later. Just worried someone reading this might recognise him from work or something... <em>edited by Buy me a Pony on 03/05/2011</em>
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 14:48
It will be impossible to rent a four bed furnished for 160,000 IMHO You may want to search for a four bed unfurnished and buy the big stuff of dubizzle or ikea ..
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 08:31
Hi BMAP, Just interested to know if you have had any luck finding anything in your budget in the lakes/meadows (obviously not emirates hills as they're well above your budget) as we're also looking and haven't found anything 4 bedroom for under 190k per year in that area. The only thing that we've found (type 1M) for 150k is a 3 bed 2 bath plus study, which can be used as a 4th bedroom downstairs.... Anyway, my two cents, furnished villas aren't easy to find, maybe look at apartments? She has a dog. Ah ok... well when we first moved here we started off in an apartment with our dog too, just needed to be taken out more often... The greens is dog friendly.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 08:26
Hi BMAP, Just interested to know if you have had any luck finding anything in your budget in the lakes/meadows (obviously not emirates hills as they're well above your budget) as we're also looking and haven't found anything 4 bedroom for under 190k per year in that area. The only thing that we've found (type 1M) for 150k is a 3 bed 2 bath plus study, which can be used as a 4th bedroom downstairs.... Anyway, my two cents, furnished villas aren't easy to find, maybe look at apartments? She has a dog.
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 08:25
Hi BMAP, Just interested to know if you have had any luck finding anything in your budget in the lakes/meadows (obviously not emirates hills as they're well above your budget) as we're also looking and haven't found anything 4 bedroom for under 190k per year in that area. The only thing that we've found (type 1M) for 150k is a 3 bed 2 bath plus study, which can be used as a 4th bedroom downstairs.... Anyway, my two cents, furnished villas aren't easy to find, maybe look at apartments?
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 08:22
Re the villas, I am doing my annual trawl......prices of villas can range from 120k and way up . The determining factor here is LOCATION. The nearer you are to the Meadows - Jumeirah College area the more you will spend depending on the facilties and age of the place. You can get great huge villas for cheap way out in the wilds with a commute of 30 mins or more depending on traffic.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 08:18
I wanted to add you HAVE to get all of this in writing now before you commit. Seems so much is vague or disorganised - if they are like that now, well that is a problem for the future. However, after saying that this is how many things work here - disorganised, many people in HR who have no power to actually make decisions or relay info without approval. If I can add ( without meaning to sound insulting) - don't expect everything to be covered. You mention certain allowances are "too slim" - this is what an allowance is - it may go towards something but will tend towards the basic. We would all like to have an extra room for relatives etc etc but the company will not care about that. Times are tough. Companies are squeezing to the max. This is why sometimes people "top up" their housing allowance. If you think now that you may be "considerably out of pocket" , well you may well be. Forget what you are told about it being tax free here - it's not. Prices are fixed and added on to by the Government in all areas. Prices here are as much as 33% more than equivalents in Saudi ( eg) and going up all the time. Sorry , don't mean to be doom and gloom but realistic.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 06:57
It is very hard to find a well furnished villa in Dubai, I did a job a few months back and the quality/style of the furniture was, except in one villa, absolutely shocking! I agree with the others - IKEA all the way! I am a relocation consultant and about to go 'in house' with a company here, all I can say is don't be too mean to her as she is only passing on the company's policy!! I would also suggest that your DH gets everything clearly defined AND that you ask to have a shipping allowance for personal items like kids toys/bikes, pictures, nice china and your special things you want to bring. My DH's old company always provided us with furnished villas but we were allowed to bring our own things too, just not the main items like beds, sofas etc etc Moving anywhere, even down the road, is an emotional roller-coaster, it will be much easier when you are here and not trying to second guess everything. I am sure it'll all work out, I know you have been doing heaps of research over the past few months and will be arriving here as prepared as anyone can be.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 06:54
You can get very nice 4-5 bed villas in Falcon City and The Villa for 110k-160kp/y. I know it's not the area you were looking at living in but you get a lot more for your money. Also there are few houses in those areas that are furnished. If you can find the same size house in the areas you want to live in then you would be looking at paying 220k-350k.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 06:51
Personally, my feeling is that if you'll be out of pocket don't come. Dubai is great but it's certainly not worth losing money over. If you can work out a feasible package then great, otherwise stay where you are. If you come and it doesn't work out then debt will complicate the process of going back or going elsewhere. Good luck with getting proper answers (and hopefully getting a decent package!) I would agree completely.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 06:39
Personally, my feeling is that if you'll be out of pocket don't come. Dubai is great but it's certainly not worth losing money over. If you can work out a feasible package then great, otherwise stay where you are. If you come and it doesn't work out then debt will complicate the process of going back or going elsewhere. Good luck with getting proper answers (and hopefully getting a decent package!)
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 06:33
Sometimes when things don't come together it's for a reason........poor you they have been messing you guys around or so long now. Is your dh already here doing the job? If he is I think I'd come over myself grab the bull by the horns and put the whole thing together myself. Go back with your proposal and if they don't go with it......don't come. You have so much more patience than most I would have thrown my toys out the pram many weeks ago. Your poor dh how can he do his job with all this uncertainty hanging over him. Good luck it will be good to have you over here!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 01 May 2011 - 06:12
I could rent a palace but not furnish it. LOL It has to be wrong. Having that amount per month just does not make sense. I am certain they have given us an annual figure which whoever drew up the letter has neglected to pro-rata. The problem is the annual figure would not stretch to 4 bedrooms and furnished. We have a dog - we have to take a villa. And I need an extra bedroom whether it be for our 75 year old parents or guests to stay comfortably with us for a month or so at a time, a home office that DH and I can do our work in without cluttering up public spaces or whatever. Am I sounding precious? LOL <em>edited by Buy me a Pony on 01/05/2011</em>
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 30 April 2011 - 20:00
so you are saying that they are giving you - what? 160,000 dh a month for a rent allowance? a month? Maybe they can rent out a palace for that price!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 30 April 2011 - 19:53
so you are saying that they are giving you - what? 160,000 dh a month for a rent allowance?
 
 

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